What is it about Android that makes it more "advanced"?

[Vdubchaos]

Android is for people
Apple is for sheep





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[Dumac]

Even the terrible US carriers have pushed out 4.1.1 for the Galaxy S3 so availability isn't very limited at this point.

I have the S3 on Verizon, and I know that a "legitimate" distribution of Jelly Bean hasn't gone out yet, but you can load up the leaked version yourself if you want to.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

I have the S3 on Verizon, and I know that a "legitimate" distribution of Jelly Bean hasn't gone out yet, but you can load up the leaked version yourself if you want to.

I thought Verizon had put the update out but I guess not, afaik all of the others have and I am running it on my At&t i747.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Facebook 2.0

http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/13/facebook-for-android-2-0-arrives-with-much-faster-load-times/

Facebook is finally smooth on Android. Not sure how well it performs on lower specced phones but it's like steroids on my Nexus 4.

One small step in app advancement.

That refutes the last part of his point. The rest of it is still applicable as you could do it on Gingerbread et al.

Well I mean what am I supposed to say? That's a personal user requirement. Just like some guy told me he likes his Nokia N97 over the iPhone 3GS (Back in the 2009 days) because he could do whatever the hell IT people do with their networks at work with command line. I mean sure, if you point out a specific need that your phone does, great, but at the same time let's look at 99% of the population and ask if that's necessary. Even if you need shell access on a daily basis, do you NEED to do it on your phone? To me it's purely idiotic. Some people use features on their phone not because it actually adds value to their lives, but just because they can. Yeah I can do all my powerpoint presentations for work on my phone and heck present off of my phone. I could design a webpage off my phone. Does that mean iOS sucks? I don't know, you tell me.

 

[Dumac]

I thought Verizon had put the update out but I guess not, afaik all of the others have and I am running it on my At&t i747.

Update tomorrow apparently. Close enough.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Facebook 2.0

http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/13/facebook-for-android-2-0-arrives-with-much-faster-load-times/

Facebook is finally smooth on Android. Not sure how well it performs on lower specced phones but it's like steroids on my Nexus 4.

One small step in app advancement.



Well I mean what am I supposed to say? That's a personal user requirement. Just like some guy told me he likes his Nokia N97 over the iPhone 3GS (Back in the 2009 days) because he could do whatever the hell IT people do with their networks at work with command line. I mean sure, if you point out a specific need that your phone does, great, but at the same time let's look at 99% of the population and ask if that's necessary. Even if you need shell access on a daily basis, do you NEED to do it on your phone? To me it's purely idiotic. Some people use features on their phone not because it actually adds value to their lives, but just because they can. Yeah I can do all my powerpoint presentations for work on my phone and heck present off of my phone. I could design a webpage off my phone. Does that mean iOS sucks? I don't know, you tell me.

If people don't need to do anything but the most basic tasks on their smartphone do they even need it in the first place?

I suppose I could carry an ultrabook with me 24/7 in case I need to do some advanced task like download a file or email more than one attachment at a time but that would be much less practical than just having a phone that can do it.

If I am at lunch and someone needs me to email them some files or I need to grab some info from the web should I immediately rush back to the office to do it rather than spend 30s doing it with my phone?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

If people don't need to do anything but the most basic tasks on their smartphone do they even need it in the first place?

I suppose I could carry an ultrabook with me 24/7 in case I need to do some advanced task like download a file or email more than one attachment at a time but that would be much less practical than just having a phone that can do it.

If I am at lunch and someone needs me to email them some files or I need to grab some info from the web should I immediately rush back to the office to do it rather than spend 30s doing it with my phone?

But a smartphone was never meant for you to do crazy tasks. Even emailing people to point out an error in a drawing, I'm going to take a screenshot and circle it and paste that in the email. I could do it on my phone and take 10 minutes, or I could do it in 3 minute on a computer. There's plenty of things you can do on a smartphone, but most people choose not to because it takes too long.

Yeah so people need files. I'm going to have it on my phone all of a sudden? Oh I might have it on my email. So I use the craptastic Exchange app that comes with Android, search for the files. Where does it even download the files? It doesn't let me choose. I want to combine that all into 1 email. By the time I save all those files, attach them 1 by 1, how long has that taken? If you're traveling I suppose that's your only option, but it's not even the easiest task anyway. Most people would take that inconvenience to waiting til a better time to get it done.

It's not just about Android vs iOS. I personally wouldn't do anything more serious than shoot a quick email like "I'll be back at my desk in 30 minutes" or a quick forward, or a reply with a 1-2 sentence response. I'm pretty sure that's like 99% of the emails that come from smartphones. Not detailed responses with complex attachments and instructions.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

But a smartphone was never meant for you to do crazy tasks. Even emailing people to point out an error in a drawing, I'm going to take a screenshot and circle it and paste that in the email. I could do it on my phone and take 10 minutes, or I could do it in 3 minute on a computer. There's plenty of things you can do on a smartphone, but most people choose not to because it takes too long.

Yeah so people need files. I'm going to have it on my phone all of a sudden? Oh I might have it on my email. So I use the craptastic Exchange app that comes with Android, search for the files. Where does it even download the files? It doesn't let me choose. I want to combine that all into 1 email. By the time I save all those files, attach them 1 by 1, how long has that taken? If you're traveling I suppose that's your only option, but it's not even the easiest task anyway. Most people would take that inconvenience to waiting til a better time to get it done.

It's not just about Android vs iOS. I personally wouldn't do anything more serious than shoot a quick email like "I'll be back at my desk in 30 minutes" or a quick forward, or a reply with a 1-2 sentence response. I'm pretty sure that's like 99% of the emails that come from smartphones. Not detailed responses with complex attachments and instructions.

So basically you want a smartphone to just be a dumbphone with email and a bunch of social networking BS tacked on? I expect a smartphone to be a useful tool that I can use in place of a PC if the need arises. That's why my standards for performance and functionality are so much higher.

 

[sour07]

As an android user myself, galaxy s3, I think that having to reboot your phone because its constantly crashing or having to root it to unlock the features you want is not very "advanced" IMO. I don't get how you guys claim it's the most customizable os yet you still have to root it to get the real open customization you talk about.

That being said I own gadgets from both sides. They both do their jobs and that is all that matters to me the consumer.

 

[Zaap]

IMO. I don't get how you guys claim it's the most customizable os yet you still have to root it to get the real open customization you talk about.

You don't.

Also, if your phone is constantly crashing and rebooting, there's something wrong with it. Try figuring out what's wrong, rather than make sweeping generalizations about Android.

Man, how I'm sick of these circular non-arguments with the same bullshit being repeated over and over ad-nauseum. And it's always with the least knowledgeable making the most sweeping proclamations about entire platforms as if they were speaking unshakable fact.

 

[sour07]

You don't.

Also, if your phone is constantly crashing and rebooting, there's something wrong with it. Try figuring out what's wrong, rather than make sweeping generalizations about Android.

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Ive actually owned a g2x a htc incredible and finally my s3. They have all acted the same way sluggish, except the g2x which was the biggest nightmare. It really would reboot on its own and it wasn't just mine doing it, man.

Thanks for being a prick though.

 

[ControlD]

Ive actually owned a g2x a htc incredible and finally my s3. They have all acted the same way sluggish, except the g2x which was the biggest nightmare. It really would reboot on its own and it wasn't just mine doing it, man.

Thanks for being a prick though.

Maybe after three expensive and bad experiences you might just move on to something else. Obviously you and Android do not mix well.

 

[MrX8503]

So basically you want a smartphone to just be a dumbphone with email and a bunch of social networking BS tacked on? I expect a smartphone to be a useful tool that I can use in place of a PC if the need arises. That's why my standards for performance and functionality are so much higher.

On an iPhone you can email docs from Dropbox or from your files stored in Air disk pro, but what's the likelihood that you'll have the file? If you do have the file on your phone then you must store many files, which requires you to search for it.

You're more likely to have the file on your computer and searching for it would be faster too.

If a smartphone had 100+GB storage with unlimited data and could read/edit any file, I could see how managing files on your smartphone would be more practical.

 

[Red Storm]

Guys the question is not "Based on my own personal usage which is limited to social networking and taking photos, is X more advanced than Y?"

It's simply "Is Android more advanced than iOS?"

And the answer to that simple question is a simple yes.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

On an iPhone you can email docs from Dropbox or from your files stored in Air disk pro, but what's the likelihood that you'll have the file? If you do have the file on your phone then you must store many files, which requires you to search for it.

You're more likely to have the file on your computer and searching for it would be faster too.

If a smartphone had 100+GB storage with unlimited data and could read/edit any file, I could see how managing files on your smartphone would be more practical.

My GS3 has over 25 gb of storage, can easily get above 40, unlimited 4g and can read edit almost any file that is needed on the fly.

File management is easy. I just have a documents folder that I keep stuff in and organized by subject. I can easily move files around when I need to, which is insanely useful.

You don't have an argument here.

 

[TerryMathews]

On an iPhone you can email docs from Dropbox or from your files stored in Air disk pro, but what's the likelihood that you'll have the file? If you do have the file on your phone then you must store many files, which requires you to search for it.

You're more likely to have the file on your computer and searching for it would be faster too.

If a smartphone had 100+GB storage with unlimited data and could read/edit any file, I could see how managing files on your smartphone would be more practical.

I don't follow your argument here. Android has effective file management tools like Es File Explorer. Most devices now have at least 4gb of usable space which is enough for a lifetime of Word docs and PDFs.

My first dozen computers didn't have 1gb of storage yet I managed to keep files on them.

 

[MrX8503]

My GS3 has over 25 gb of storage, can easily get above 40, unlimited 4g and can read edit almost any file that is needed on the fly.

File management is easy. I just have a documents folder that I keep stuff in and organized by subject. I can easily move files around when I need to, which is insanely useful.

You don't have an argument here.

What I'm saying is that you can email docs from an iPhone as well. It was stated that you can't do this.

People would store all their docs on their phone if all they worked with were simple files. Unless you're using Dropbox or some syncing software, dragging files to your phone is a waste of time.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

On an iPhone you can email docs from Dropbox or from your files stored in Air disk pro, but what's the likelihood that you'll have the file? If you do have the file on your phone then you must store many files, which requires you to search for it.

You're more likely to have the file on your computer and searching for it would be faster too.

If a smartphone had 100+GB storage with unlimited data and could read/edit any file, I could see how managing files on your smartphone would be more practical.

You can email a single attachment using that method, last time I checked there is no way to attach multiple types of files to a single email on iOS.

This isn't 2004, I don't need to have files on my phone to be able to access them. I could always grab them from cloud storage like dropbox or I could even access my network shares over a VPN just like I would on a Windows laptop. Using that method I'm browsing the exact same folder structure as I would be in Windows so it isn't any more difficult than it would be on a real pc.

Like I said some people may be content with a pseudo smartphone so they can do important stuff like check in with foursqare or update their facebook status but some of us require and expect more than that.

 

[sze5003]

You have drop box, the cloud , and wireless ways to get a few files on there. I'd rather drag stuff to my phone than have to connect to iTunes all the time. Again, preference and what you prefer as "better"

 

[s44]

But a smartphone was never meant for you to do crazy tasks. Even emailing people to point out an error in a drawing, I'm going to take a screenshot and circle it and paste that in the email. I could do it on my phone and take 10 minutes, or I could do it in 3 minute on a computer.

Or in one minute on a Note 2.

 

[MrX8503]

Dropbox and cloud isn't something new, you can do the same on an iPhone.

What the iPhone can't do is multi doc email. It can do multi photo and video though.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

What I'm saying is that you can email docs from an iPhone as well. It was stated that you can't do this.

People would store all their docs on their phone if all they worked with were simple files. Unless you're using Dropbox or some syncing software, dragging files to your phone is a waste of time.

And maybe Box is the solution businesses are jumping to, but so far most of the places I have friends working have their own network storage. What are the chances I have the doc file I want at my disposal on my phone anyway?

Most people don't use their smartphones for advanced document editing and attaching files sending back and forth. What people do tend to do is read a work email on the go and open the XLS file attached, preview it and forward it off at most. Do you honestly think that people collaborate on ppt presentations and make edits on their phone and send it back? That % is so small. I'm pretty sure the main limitation of smartphones is the ability to do those same edits as you do on a PC. While you can view multiple attachments as a hindrance on the iPhone, it's a much smaller issue because most people are turned off from trying to accomplish the same tasks on your smartphone as your PC.

Okay, so perhaps Android is more advanced in that it can do these things. You CAN manage your corporate IT through it if you wanted. But from a real world practicality standpoint, it's not a game changer. It's like Macs and PCs. I think a good number of converts decided all they do is check email, surf the web, watch a few movies, chat, and do some word processing. For the most part, Macs will satisfy that. Even games like SC2 and Diablo 3 exist on Mac, so unless they're playing every release title, Macs work quite well.

I can find some obscure PC software, for example like this auto commercial cutter when I record HDTV from my tv tuner. Yeah maybe my Mac won't have that software, but what % of people need this? You can argue it's more advanced because there's more options, but sweeping generalizations like these make it sound like iOS = stone age but Android = space age. Come on. It's not that different because 99% of the people can do the things they want to on BOTH platforms. I'm pretty sure a good # of you can, but are attached to 1 or 2 things specific to a platform.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Dropbox and cloud isn't something new, you can do the same on an iPhone.

What the iPhone can't do is multi doc email. It can do multi photo and video though.

It can load documents from dropbox but as of the last time I used their iOS app it couldn't actually copy files to the device itself. Also you ignored the fact that an iPhone couldn't handle my network shares like Android can.

And maybe Box is the solution businesses are jumping to, but so far most of the places I have friends working have their own network storage. What are the chances I have the doc file I want at my disposal on my phone anyway?

If you read my previous post I already mentioned that I can browse my network shares from my Android phone from anywhere I have 3g/4g or Wifi using a VPN.

 

[Red Storm]

Here's another example of just being able to do stuff that isn't possible on iOS.

Was on the couch watching some Battlestar Galactica on my Nexus 10 when I remembered that my brother needed to pick up a prescription from CVS. Rather than getting up and going to my phone, I just switched to Groove IP and called my brother right from the tablet. He didn't answer, so I went back to watching BSG and a minute later he calls me, which rang my phone first (it was upstairs), then the tablet rang and I answered his call and talked to him. From my tablet. Using my cell number.

After I hung up I had one of those "Whoa" moments cause I realized just how cool that was and how far technology has come.

 

[Oyeve]

Here's another example of just being able to do stuff that isn't possible on iOS.

Was on the couch watching some Battlestar Galactica on my Nexus 10 when I remembered that my brother needed to pick up a prescription from CVS. Rather than getting up and going to my phone, I just switched to Groove IP and called my brother right from the tablet. He didn't answer, so I went back to watching BSG and a minute later he calls me, which rang my phone first (it was upstairs), then the tablet rang and I answered his call and talked to him. From my tablet. Using my cell number.

After I hung up I had one of those "Whoa" moments cause I realized just how cool that was and how far technology has come.

Nice!