What is it about Android that makes it more "advanced"?

[ponyo]

Take a look at OP's posting history before thinking this thread sincere.

I know. People here are arguing the same argument when we should be talking about greatness that is Stickmount and USB OTG.

 

[TuxDave]

So... when the Note 2 comes out at $299, I can argue that people choose iPhones because they are cheaper? No, that wouldn't be entirely true because of selective times and dates. Instead I say they are equal, because you can get either Android or iOS at all price points.

Uh, yeah you can. You can argue that some people chose the iPhone over the Note 2 because they couldn't justify the extra $100. And then when the Note 2 gets cheaper, then people may buy the Note 2 because it's cheaper. What don't you get?

There's a ton of Android phones that are cheaper and a ton that are more expensive.

The cheaper ones get bought because people save money.
The expensive ones get bought because "it looks cool".

I wish I had instant access to information but I would say (unless we're dealing with a heavily pirating culture like some countries), that the large majority of Android users don't sideload anything or flash ROMs or play emulators. They got it because it was "different" or "looked cool". The techno-saavy people are the minority (that or I have a poor opinion of the vast majority of people)

 

[TuxDave]

I know. People here are arguing the same argument when we should be talking about greatness that is Stickmount and USB OTG.

Tell me more.

 

[ElFenix]

My only point is that the cost argument has been refuted.

you haven't refuted anything. 1.3 million android devices per day. there's nothing in that statement that says those are on major US carriers, which is the only place that up front cost parity between iDevice and the range of android devices happens.

so for many people (hey, $100 tablet!), the statement of 'lower cost than iDevice' IS true.

 

[Red Storm]

What don't you get? You said people choose Android because it's cheaper. I said I don't agree because you can get iOS at all the same price points:

Free: Android or iOS is there

Low: Android or iOS is there

High: Android or iOS is there

Higher: Android is there

Simple as that.

 

[lopri]

OK. I just tried it with my Galaxy Nexus and my wife's iPhone 4S. Just like I thought, it gives you access to iPhone picture folder. When I connected, Galaxy Nexus immediately opened its gallery app and I was able to browse all the pictures on the iPhone. With one tap on the import icon, I was able to import all the pictures from the iPhone to my Galaxy Nexus. . It should be the same with the Nexus 7.

Very cool! I'll try with mine, too.

 

[Dumac]

So... when the Note 2 comes out at $299, I can argue that people choose iPhones because they are cheaper? No, that wouldn't be entirely true because of selective times and dates. Instead I say they are equal, because you can get either Android or iOS at all price points.

My only point is that the cost argument has been refuted. Perhaps it's shocking and unbelievable to some, but many people choose Android simply because they like it. The same for iOS.

Not it hasn't. You are glossing over the facts and saying it has been 'refuted'.

how many cheap ass chinese branded android tablets are activated a day?

how many cheap ass android prepaid phones for $100 a activated a day in the US?

how many cheap ass chinese branded android phones are activated in the non-first world each day?

apple doesn't have a price competitive product for any of that.

so yes, there are many android devices that are much cheaper than anything on offer from apple.

Why do you think android is more popular in less wealthy countries?

 

[ElFenix]

What don't you get? You said people choose Android because it's cheaper. I said I don't agree because you can get iOS at all the same price points:

Free: Android or iOS is there*

Low: Android or iOS is there*

High: Android or iOS is there*

Higher: Android is there*

Simple as that.

*when you agree to hand over your first born to Verizon

 

[Red Storm]

Okay, I wasn't talking about tablets, in that area yes I do agree with the cost factor.

Android is also more popular in wealthy countries.

 

[Dumac]

What don't you get? You said people choose Android because it's cheaper. I said I don't agree because you can get iOS at all the same price points:

Free: Android or iOS is there

Low: Android or iOS is there

High: Android or iOS is there

Higher: Android is there

Simple as that.

Where are my free new iPhones? New $60 iPhones? And I'm not talking about on contract.

I'm not talking about your uncle's iPhone passed down from when he bought it years ago. I'm talking about a newly manufactured iPhone on sale in the market.

 

[Dumac]

Okay, I wasn't talking about tablets, in that area yes I do agree with the cost factor.

Android is also more popular in wealthy countries.

iPhone surpassed Android in popularity again in the US after the release of the iPhone 5.

In less wealthy countries, the sales aren't even close. Android blows iPhone out of the water. Again, because of the affordability factor.

 

[TuxDave]

What don't you get? You said people choose Android because it's cheaper. I said I don't agree because you can get iOS at all the same price points:

Free: Android or iOS is there
Low: Android or iOS is there
High: Android or iOS is there
Higher: Android is there

Simple as that.

And when they look at the latest and greatest that Apple and Samsung has to offer? Simple as that.

 

[Red Storm]

iPhone surpassed Android in popularity again in the US after the release of the iPhone 5.

In less wealthy countries, the sales aren't even close. Android blows iPhone out of the water. Again, because of the affordability factor.

No, they surpassed Android in sales for that specific period of time, which I believe was 3 months? The thread here was not titled correctly.

I didn't know that when we're talking about smartphone purchases, we have to assume we're not in the US...

And when they look at the latest and greatest that Apple and Samsung has to offer? Simple as that.

Note 2: $299

Iphone 5: $199

 

[s44]

No, they surpassed Android in sales for that specific period of time, which I believe was 3 months?. The thread here was not titled correctly.

And, in fact, Android kept increasing its market share over that period of time. iPhone buyers are largely iPhone owners already.

 

[Zaap]

Not it hasn't. You are glossing over the facts and saying it has been 'refuted'.
Why do you think android is more popular in less wealthy countries?

What 'facts'? Android is also more popular in plenty of wealthier countries.

But then, why was I expecting 'facts' in a thread like this? I always notice a pattern to these types of threads:

Pose false question, "why is Android more advanced?"

Android users: answer questions, give tons of real world examples.

iOS users: Nuh uh. Nuh uh. Nuh uh. Nuh uh. "You're thinking the wrong way" Nuh uh. Nuh uh.

So I'd pose a more relevant question: What is it about iOS that makes it more advanced. How about some actual real world examples.

I'm not even saying there aren't any, I'm sure there are a few. It's just I never see them presented in these types of threads, just a lot of "Nuh uhs" and false assertions about Android.

 

[TuxDave]

Note 2: $299. Iphone 5: $199.

Yeah I was thinking you would quote the Note 2, but that's in a class of its own. The most recognized phone is the SGS3 and that is what people see most of the time.

I really feel frustrated at the rate forum conversations go. Stuff like this really should go in person to speed things up. I think you're set so strongly in your belief that it would be nearly impossible (and pointless!) for me to convince you otherwise.

 

[Red Storm]

I would also like to get back on topic. But to summarize the last few posts:

Yes, in certain areas like developing nations and in the tablet market, Android does have a price advantage that no doubt plays a part. For smartphones though, both sides have phones at every price point.

Getting back on topic, we aren't discussing why people like devices or what they generally choose, we're strictly discussing features.

 

[ElFenix]

So I'd pose a more relevant question: What is it about iOS that makes it more advanced. How about some actual real world examples.

advanced is the wrong word to use, except for a few technical details such as true multi tasking and such. they're just different, and headed in slightly different directions. advanced implies they're on a similar track and one is ahead or behind the other.

Yes, in certain areas like developing nations and in the tablet market, Android does have a price advantage that no doubt plays a part. For smartphones though, both sides have phones at every price point.*

*if you are getting a subsidized phone.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Depends where you're coming from. Someone who's only known iOS their whole life is not going to know what advantages and speed improvements they could potentially get from utilizing widgets, Google Now, gesture typing, drag and drop file management, etc. Whereas someone coming from Android to iOS might begin to wonder why the new media player app they just downloaded isn't working as the default, or why they can't quickly upload a photo to Dropbox or another downloaded app straight from their gallery, etc.

But the thing is widgets. Okay, I want to look at my Facebook timeline on my phone. I have a twitter/FB widget setup to show both like HTC phones. When I went on my iPhone for days, I realized I sacrificed those things, but I had push notifications for both the FB and Twitter app. I customized those so there would be no popup badge and it'd only be in the notification bar.

I do prefer the Android system in this case, but so what? I can still get my social networking done. If you compare 1:1, I was missing out on the iPhone, but at the end of the day I was fine with that because it's what I can do in the end.

The same with Weather widgets. Okay, I can see the weather in 1 glance. In iOS I need to open the weather app (pre notification bar). I still get the information. It's a different way of doing things. I think as long as I don't have to open Safari and navigate to a website to do things, I would be ok with that.

Now you mention drag drop file system and that brings up drag drop for movies. I think in that case yeah, if you want to watch your HDTV rips, then you're missing out on the iPad. That's a big strike. You can still get your music on, your PDFs on there, etc. It's not the best system, but you can get it done.

You also talk about photos from the gallery. I like that ANdroid has a share feature that works very well. But it's not like you can't go to the Dropbox app and upload from there on the iPhone. If there's no way to do that, then yeah I'd be pissed, but these are small differences that people on the iOS and Android camps get used to. If you get entrenched in a certain way of doing things, then yes, switching camps is almost impossible.

But to be fair, I've found for phones it's very easy to get things done on both platforms.

 

[openwheel]

sorry Dumac but you are losing this argument fast.

 

[lopri]

Well, while I prefer Android to iOS at this point, I do agree with the OP's point which focuses on "smoothness" factor. I dislike iOS for various reasons, but the UI smoothness is something that Android is still behind compared to iOS. It's doubly evident when I look at iPhones/iPads make do with lesser hardware than competing Android devices. Even when both devices stutter, stutters in iOS feel more tolerable for whatever reason.

Project Butter 2/Cheese/Oil/Vaseline should take place.

 

[Zaap]

Yeah I was thinking you would quote the Note 2, but that's in a class of its own. The most recognized phone is the SGS3 and that is what people see most of the time.

iPhone 5= $199
SGS3 =$199

I'm not seeing how Red Storm is wrong in any way about this.

 

[Red Storm]

Yeah I was thinking you would quote the Note 2, but that's in a class of its own. The most recognized phone is the SGS3 and that is what people see most of the time.

I really feel frustrated at the rate forum conversations go. Stuff like this really should go in person to speed things up. I think you're set so strongly in your belief that it would be nearly impossible (and pointless!) for me to convince you otherwise.

Look, you said latest and greatest. It's not my fault Apple only releases one model a year. Because of this and other factors it's not always an apples to apples comparison, but all I'm trying to do is refute this argument that Android only sells because it's cheaper, when this is clearly not the case. Sometimes? Definitely. Always? Not a chance.

advanced is the wrong word to use, except for a few technical details such as true multi tasking and such. they're just different, and headed in slightly different directions. advanced implies they're on a similar track and one is ahead or behind the other.

To me "advanced" implies "more". Let's compare keyboards, both platforms have virtual keyboards with voice dictation and auto correct options. Android gives you gesture typing as well, in addition to the ability to completely change the keyboard if you desire. To me that falls under the definition of "advanced" because you can do more.

Another example. When looking at a photo in your phone's gallery, on Android I can send that photo to every applicable app installed on my phone, that list is open to whatever apps I install. On iOS I can't. Again, more advanced.

*if you are getting a subsidized phone.

Back in July, Verizon reported of their 95 million customers, half were on smartphones. Of those 95 million, 88 million are postpaid. That's just Verizon, nevermind AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile.

Prepaid phones in total - and that includes the dumb phones that make up the majority of this figure - just recently passed 100 million in the country.

So it's quite fair to use subsidized prices as that is what the majority here do.

 

[TuxDave]

To I'd pose a more relevant question: What is it about iOS that makes it more advanced. How about some actual real world examples.

I'm not even saying there aren't any, I'm sure there are a few. It's just I never see them presented in these types of threads, just a lot of "Nuh uhs" and false assertions about Android.

What if I toss in iMessage and its easy of adoption, MMS, group messaging support. That was pretty ahead of its time.

 

[Red Storm]

What if I toss in iMessage and its easy of adoption, MMS, group messaging support. That was pretty ahead of its time.

iMessage is something that I consider more advanced. There is definitely some tradeoffs between the two platforms when looking at specific features, but I think it's no question that Android is more advanced overall.