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TheGameIs21

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Originally posted by: SinMen
Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
The UN is taking action on that with a military force led by the United States.
You mean Bush is taking action on his own with a force led by himself, right? I don't know that the UN have decided to invade Iraq yet.

You mean that you haven't been keeping up with current events...right?

Bush has yet to invade any country. The United States is placing troops in preperation for an invasion with support from other countries that include soldiers, equipment and bases. You appear to be one of the Democrats I mentioned earlier.
 

Rockhound

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Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Rockhound
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Then we take the oil and run...which we'll do anyway...and Bush will reward Americans and the airlines with free gas for 2 years!
I believe the cost of the war will FAR exceed the value of their oil.
The war is at the cost of the American people and lives. The people benefitting will be Bush's g00ns.
I suppose versus the cost to the American people and lives if a nuclear warhead goes off in Irvine, California. Sound familiar? Maybe Al Gore's goons as well, since he has a fairly big stake oil too. Hypocrit.
You are a dumbass if you believe every word that comes out of Bush's mouth.
and you are a dumbass if you think everything that he says is a lie. Are you against forcing Iraq to comply with the UN or are you just against Bush?
I am for Iraqi compliance. I am against distortion of the truth with lies and deceit in doing it.

Yes, and so far there has been NO compliance. And the Iraqi's have been engaging in lies and deceit have they not? Blix has even said so. So where is your logic here???? On the one hand you are holding Bush accountable to something but on the other Iraq gets a free pass? Don't think so. Iraq has been distorting the truth for 12 years now. They are supposed to disarm. They haven't. So they have lied.
 

feralkid

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>>>>>>>>>>"It's not going to happen. SADDAM HAS ALREADY USED THEM ON HIS OWN PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<<<<<<<<<<<





Yelling makes us give a rat's ass, i guess.
 

TheGameIs21

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Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Rockhound
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Then we take the oil and run...which we'll do anyway...and Bush will reward Americans and the airlines with free gas for 2 years!
I believe the cost of the war will FAR exceed the value of their oil.
The war is at the cost of the American people and lives. The people benefitting will be Bush's g00ns.
I suppose versus the cost to the American people and lives if a nuclear warhead goes off in Irvine, California. Sound familiar? Maybe Al Gore's goons as well, since he has a fairly big stake oil too. Hypocrit.
You are a dumbass if you believe every word that comes out of Bush's mouth.
and you are a dumbass if you think everything that he says is a lie. Are you against forcing Iraq to comply with the UN or are you just against Bush?
I am for Iraqi compliance. I am against distortion of the truth with lies and deceit in doing it.

This is probably going to sound like sarcasm but please understand, I am 100% serious....

Give me one shred of proof that the Bush Administration (yes this includes Bush himself and his staff) has lied, distorted the truth or was deceitful in regards to the current Iraq problem. Only catch is..... I don't want it to be a mere statement from a Democrat.
 

her209

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Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Rockhound
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Then we take the oil and run...which we'll do anyway...and Bush will reward Americans and the airlines with free gas for 2 years!
I believe the cost of the war will FAR exceed the value of their oil.
The war is at the cost of the American people and lives. The people benefitting will be Bush's g00ns.
I suppose versus the cost to the American people and lives if a nuclear warhead goes off in Irvine, California. Sound familiar? Maybe Al Gore's goons as well, since he has a fairly big stake oil too. Hypocrit.
You are a dumbass if you believe every word that comes out of Bush's mouth.
and you are a dumbass if you think everything that he says is a lie. Are you against forcing Iraq to comply with the UN or are you just against Bush?
I am for Iraqi compliance. I am against distortion of the truth with lies and deceit in doing it.
This is probably going to sound like sarcasm but please understand, I am 100% serious....

Give me one shred of proof that the Bush Administration (yes this includes Bush himself and his staff) has lied, distorted the truth or was deceitful in regards to the current Iraq problem. Only catch is..... I don't want it to be a mere statement from a Democrat.
AHAHAHA, my proof is that Bush hasn't shown any proof to their claims. Where is your proof?
 

Rockhound

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Don't forget to mention Game that it has to be specific with a source behind it. Otherwise it will simply be because they say so and therefore it must be. You have to careful because they are not capable of lying. But they can't back anything up with factual information...
 

her209

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Originally posted by: Rockhound
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Rockhound
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Then we take the oil and run...which we'll do anyway...and Bush will reward Americans and the airlines with free gas for 2 years!
I believe the cost of the war will FAR exceed the value of their oil.
The war is at the cost of the American people and lives. The people benefitting will be Bush's g00ns.
I suppose versus the cost to the American people and lives if a nuclear warhead goes off in Irvine, California. Sound familiar? Maybe Al Gore's goons as well, since he has a fairly big stake oil too. Hypocrit.
You are a dumbass if you believe every word that comes out of Bush's mouth.
and you are a dumbass if you think everything that he says is a lie. Are you against forcing Iraq to comply with the UN or are you just against Bush?
I am for Iraqi compliance. I am against distortion of the truth with lies and deceit in doing it.

Yes, and so far there has been NO compliance. And the Iraqi's have been engaging in lies and deceit have they not? Blix has even said so. So where is your logic here???? On the one hand you are holding Bush accountable to something but on the other Iraq gets a free pass? Don't think so. Iraq has been distorting the truth for 12 years now. They are supposed to disarm. They haven't. So they have lied.
Yeah, so has North Korea. And its clear that North Korea has a nuclear weapons program. They have even stated it themselves. Clearly in violation of UN sanctions. Yet, we don't see thousands of US armed forces rushing over there awaiting word for invasion. As for the Iraq situation, all there is as of right now is speculation.

EDIT: And don't give me sh!t about how Saddam has violated human rights. So have the Koreans. Not to mention the Chinese.
 

TheGameIs21

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Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Rockhound
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Then we take the oil and run...which we'll do anyway...and Bush will reward Americans and the airlines with free gas for 2 years!
I believe the cost of the war will FAR exceed the value of their oil.
The war is at the cost of the American people and lives. The people benefitting will be Bush's g00ns.
I suppose versus the cost to the American people and lives if a nuclear warhead goes off in Irvine, California. Sound familiar? Maybe Al Gore's goons as well, since he has a fairly big stake oil too. Hypocrit.
You are a dumbass if you believe every word that comes out of Bush's mouth.
and you are a dumbass if you think everything that he says is a lie. Are you against forcing Iraq to comply with the UN or are you just against Bush?
I am for Iraqi compliance. I am against distortion of the truth with lies and deceit in doing it.
This is probably going to sound like sarcasm but please understand, I am 100% serious....

Give me one shred of proof that the Bush Administration (yes this includes Bush himself and his staff) has lied, distorted the truth or was deceitful in regards to the current Iraq problem. Only catch is..... I don't want it to be a mere statement from a Democrat.
AHAHAHA, my proof is that Bush hasn't shown any proof to their claims. Where is your proof?


hmmmm That's all you got? The burden of proof is on Iraq, not the US. That has been understood from the day that Saddam signed the document that kept the forces out of his country.


next....
 

her209

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Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
hmmmm That's all you got? The burden of proof is on Iraq, not the US. That has been understood from the day that Saddam signed the document that kept the forces out of his country.

next....
So if so conclusive that Iraq still has weapons of mass destruction, lets see it.
 

Rockhound

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Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Rockhound
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Rockhound
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Then we take the oil and run...which we'll do anyway...and Bush will reward Americans and the airlines with free gas for 2 years!
I believe the cost of the war will FAR exceed the value of their oil.
The war is at the cost of the American people and lives. The people benefitting will be Bush's g00ns.
I suppose versus the cost to the American people and lives if a nuclear warhead goes off in Irvine, California. Sound familiar? Maybe Al Gore's goons as well, since he has a fairly big stake oil too. Hypocrit.
You are a dumbass if you believe every word that comes out of Bush's mouth.
and you are a dumbass if you think everything that he says is a lie. Are you against forcing Iraq to comply with the UN or are you just against Bush?
I am for Iraqi compliance. I am against distortion of the truth with lies and deceit in doing it.

Yes, and so far there has been NO compliance. And the Iraqi's have been engaging in lies and deceit have they not? Blix has even said so. So where is your logic here???? On the one hand you are holding Bush accountable to something but on the other Iraq gets a free pass? Don't think so. Iraq has been distorting the truth for 12 years now. They are supposed to disarm. They haven't. So they have lied.
Yeah, so has North Korea. And its clear that North Korea has a nuclear weapons program. They have even stated it themselves. Clearly in violation of UN sanctions. Yet, we don't see thousands of US armed forces rushing over there awaiting word for invasion. As for the Iraq situation, all there is as of right now is speculation.

EDIT: And don't give me sh!t about how Saddam has violated human rights. So have the Koreans. Not to mention the Chinese.

No, human rights aside. here are the differences:

1) North Korea so far has not invaded anybody in the last 12 years.
2) North Korea has not used chemical weapons on their own people - at least as far as we know out in the open. Or on any of their neighbors. Iraq did on Iran.
3) As far as I know, there currently aren't any UN sanctions on North Korea regarding their nuclear weapons programs. Everything is being done by the U.S., South Korea and Japan if I'm not mistaken. They may be in violation of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, but I don't see any actual UN sanctions they are violating. No resolutions have been drawn up telling North Korea to disarm.
4) There are already thousands (37,000 to be exact) of US troops already there.
5) North Korea has emphatically stated it doesn't want anyone else involved in the matter except the US. UN to them is irrelevant.
6) North Korea is being handled separately from other countries like Iraq because that is the best course of action at this time. So much can't be said for Iraq and its propensity to use its weapons, invade its neighbors, launch missiles against Israel, etc.

This only emphasizes that the U.S. is not just going to war because it feels like it at the drop of a hat.
 

TheGameIs21

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Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
hmmmm That's all you got? The burden of proof is on Iraq, not the US. That has been understood from the day that Saddam signed the document that kept the forces out of his country.

next....
So if so conclusive that Iraq still has weapons of mass destruction, lets see it.


What part of my statement above were you unable to read? It isn't up to any other country to prove Iraq has or doesn't have WMD's. It is up to Iraq alone to provide documentation as to the destruction of the weapons he had. I don't see where this is confusing to you.
 

etech

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her209
Yeah, so has North Korea. And its clear that North Korea has a nuclear weapons program. They have even stated it themselves. Clearly in violation of UN sanctions. Yet, we don't see thousands of US armed forces rushing over there awaiting word for invasion. As for the Iraq situation, all there is as of right now is speculation.

Can you find the number of the UN resolution that specifies that NK had to disarm?

As for Iraq there is much more than speculation. There is a history of twelve years of defiance and lies and deceptions all based on the one UN resolution 687. Iraq has not met it's requirements.
 

TheGameIs21

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Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Rockhound
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Rockhound
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Then we take the oil and run...which we'll do anyway...and Bush will reward Americans and the airlines with free gas for 2 years!
I believe the cost of the war will FAR exceed the value of their oil.
The war is at the cost of the American people and lives. The people benefitting will be Bush's g00ns.
I suppose versus the cost to the American people and lives if a nuclear warhead goes off in Irvine, California. Sound familiar? Maybe Al Gore's goons as well, since he has a fairly big stake oil too. Hypocrit.
You are a dumbass if you believe every word that comes out of Bush's mouth.
and you are a dumbass if you think everything that he says is a lie. Are you against forcing Iraq to comply with the UN or are you just against Bush?
I am for Iraqi compliance. I am against distortion of the truth with lies and deceit in doing it.

Yes, and so far there has been NO compliance. And the Iraqi's have been engaging in lies and deceit have they not? Blix has even said so. So where is your logic here???? On the one hand you are holding Bush accountable to something but on the other Iraq gets a free pass? Don't think so. Iraq has been distorting the truth for 12 years now. They are supposed to disarm. They haven't. So they have lied.
Yeah, so has North Korea. And its clear that North Korea has a nuclear weapons program. They have even stated it themselves. Clearly in violation of UN sanctions. Yet, we don't see thousands of US armed forces rushing over there awaiting word for invasion. As for the Iraq situation, all there is as of right now is speculation.

EDIT: And don't give me sh!t about how Saddam has violated human rights. So have the Koreans. Not to mention the Chinese.

Umm.... :: psst :: Don't tell anyone this because it is apparently top secret information.... The United States has thousands of troops in South Korea making sure that North stays in line already. So whats your point?
 

Rockhound

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Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
hmmmm That's all you got? The burden of proof is on Iraq, not the US. That has been understood from the day that Saddam signed the document that kept the forces out of his country.

next....
So if so conclusive that Iraq still has weapons of mass destruction, lets see it.

Maybe you'd like to sit in on some National Securirty Agency (NSA), Pentagon, CIA, FBI, etc. meetings as well and learn everything there is to know about US intelligence gathering. They (Bush administration) has already said the Colin Powell on Feb. 5 will lay out the evidence even though this will compramise US intelligence. Be patient. When they do, the only question will remain is whether you will believe what is presented. If you don't, then your entire argument is moot.
 

TheGameIs21

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Democrats wont believe it and neither will most islamic countries that already think the United States is lying.
 

her209

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Originally posted by: Rockhound
No, human rights aside. here are the differences:

1) North Korea so far has not invaded anybody in the last 12 years.
2) North Korea has not used chemical weapons on their own people - at least as far as we know out in the open. Or on any of their neighbors. Iraq did on Iran.
3) As far as I know, there currently aren't any UN sanctions on North Korea regarding their nuclear weapons programs. Everything is being done by the U.S., South Korea and Japan if I'm not mistaken. They may be in violation of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, but I don't see any actual UN sanctions they are violating. No resolutions have been drawn up telling North Korea to disarm.
4) There are already thousands (37,000 to be exact) of US troops already there.
5) North Korea has emphatically stated it doesn't want anyone else involved in the matter except the US. UN to them is irrelevant.
6) North Korea is being handled separately from other countries like Iraq because that is the best course of action at this time. So much can't be said for Iraq and its propensity to use its weapons, invade its neighbors, launch missiles against Israel, etc.

This only emphasizes that the U.S. is not just going to war because it feels like it at the drop of a hat.

1. Did you just randomly pick 12 or did you pick 12 to exclude the Korean War?
2. Iraq usd chemical/biological weapons that were supplied by the US. NK is in violations nonetheless.
3. So you believe this is a sufficient force to get NK to comply to our wishes?
4. So has Iraq.
5. Yep, that's why they had UN inspectors kicked out.
6. Oh you mean, NK won't invade SK if we just left?


 

EndGame

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When the allies got to Berlin in '45 there was no Hitler, we knew he was there before, but, he was not there when the allies arrived. Does that mean there never was a Hitler?;)

We know Saddam had literally tons of biological/chemical weapons and missiles in '98 when the inspectors left, tons of it were sitting awaiting destruction. Iraq doesn't declare/admitt to it does that mean it wasn't there?;)

EDIT: Spelling
 

Rockhound

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Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Rockhound
No, human rights aside. here are the differences:

1) North Korea so far has not invaded anybody in the last 12 years.
2) North Korea has not used chemical weapons on their own people - at least as far as we know out in the open. Or on any of their neighbors. Iraq did on Iran.
3) As far as I know, there currently aren't any UN sanctions on North Korea regarding their nuclear weapons programs. Everything is being done by the U.S., South Korea and Japan if I'm not mistaken. They may be in violation of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, but I don't see any actual UN sanctions they are violating. No resolutions have been drawn up telling North Korea to disarm.
4) There are already thousands (37,000 to be exact) of US troops already there.
5) North Korea has emphatically stated it doesn't want anyone else involved in the matter except the US. UN to them is irrelevant.
6) North Korea is being handled separately from other countries like Iraq because that is the best course of action at this time. So much can't be said for Iraq and its propensity to use its weapons, invade its neighbors, launch missiles against Israel, etc.

This only emphasizes that the U.S. is not just going to war because it feels like it at the drop of a hat.


1. Did you just randomly pick 12 or did you pick 12 to exclude the Korean War?
2. Iraq usd chemical/biological weapons that were supplied by the US. NK is in violations nonetheless.
3. So you believe this is a sufficient force to get NK to comply to our wishes?
4. So has Iraq.
5. Yep, that's why they had UN inspectors kicked out.
6. Oh you mean, NK won't invade SK if we just left?

1) No, I didn't randomly pick 12. Ok use 15 if you wish. Which is just about as long as North Korea has been trying to develop nukes. What's the Korean War got to do with this exactly? That was 50 years ago. We're talking about something that's a lot more recent.
2) It doesn't matter who they were supplied by. They used them. It could have been Brazil that supplied them. Who cares. The fact that they USED them is the issue here.
3) No it isn't. We are at this time trying diplomacy. You are the one that said "you don't see thousands of US troops rushing over there". What's your point exactly?
4) So has Iraq what? What are you referring to?
5) Yea, and? what's your point? They just recently kicked them out. They were only monitoring the nuclear facilities as well, not searching for chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. Iraq kicked out inspectors 4 years ago. Inspectors that were actively searching for WMD's.
6) No, I didn't say that nor did I mean that. Who says North Korea won't invade with us there? So far they haven't. But those 37,000 troops aren't what's really stopping them now. Its a tripwire. Its not meant to actually stop them from invading if that is there intention. My point was that Iraq over the last decade has attacekd, unlike the North Koreans. They haven't really made a move toward anybody. So that is what you go by. The potential is there, but with Iraq there is more than just potential. They have demostrated that they will do it no matter what everyone thinks.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Rockhound
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Rockhound
No, human rights aside. here are the differences:

1) North Korea so far has not invaded anybody in the last 12 years.
2) North Korea has not used chemical weapons on their own people - at least as far as we know out in the open. Or on any of their neighbors. Iraq did on Iran.
3) As far as I know, there currently aren't any UN sanctions on North Korea regarding their nuclear weapons programs. Everything is being done by the U.S., South Korea and Japan if I'm not mistaken. They may be in violation of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, but I don't see any actual UN sanctions they are violating. No resolutions have been drawn up telling North Korea to disarm.
4) There are already thousands (37,000 to be exact) of US troops already there.
5) North Korea has emphatically stated it doesn't want anyone else involved in the matter except the US. UN to them is irrelevant.
6) North Korea is being handled separately from other countries like Iraq because that is the best course of action at this time. So much can't be said for Iraq and its propensity to use its weapons, invade its neighbors, launch missiles against Israel, etc.

This only emphasizes that the U.S. is not just going to war because it feels like it at the drop of a hat.


1. Did you just randomly pick 12 or did you pick 12 to exclude the Korean War?
2. Iraq usd chemical/biological weapons that were supplied by the US. NK is in violations nonetheless.
3. So you believe this is a sufficient force to get NK to comply to our wishes?
4. So has Iraq.
5. Yep, that's why they had UN inspectors kicked out.
6. Oh you mean, NK won't invade SK if we just left?

1) No, I didn't randomly pick 12. Ok use 15 if you wish. Which is just about as long as North Korea has been trying to develop nukes. What's the Korean War got to do with this exactly? That was 50 years ago. We're talking about something that's a lot more recent.
2) It doesn't matter who they were supplied by. They used them. It could have been Brazil that supplied them. Who cares. The fact that they USED them is the issue here.
3) No it isn't. We are at this time trying diplomacy. You are the one that said "you don't see thousands of US troops rushing over there". What's your point exactly?
4) So has Iraq what? What are you referring to?
5) Yea, and? what's your point? They just recently kicked them out. They were only monitoring the nuclear facilities as well, not searching for chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. Iraq kicked out inspectors kicked out 4 years ago.
6) No, I didn't say that nor did I mean that. Who says North Korea won't invade with us there? So far they haven't. But those 37,000 troops aren't what's really stopping them now. Its a tripwire. Its not meant to actually stop them from invading if that is there intention. My point was that Iraq over the last decade has attacekd, unlike the North Koreans. They haven't really made a move toward anybody. So that is what you go by. The potential is there, but with Iraq there is more than just potential. They have demostrated that they will do it no matter what everyone thinks.

Just and FYI


THe military has requested 2000 more troops to be deployed to SK. They also want a few more b-52s and b-1s. The pentagon is currently revieiwing this request.
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: Ime
I'm all for getting Saddam (should have been done in '91), but I keep wondering...

Our justification is to disarm Saddam... what if he really is disarmed? What if we invade, search the whole country after occupying it, and find nothing? I sure hope there really is hidden WMD in Iraq and that we find it right after the war, because I'd hate to see world opinion if we find nothing after invading.

Several metric tons of Sarin Nerve gas doesnt just, disappear.
 

rchiu

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Originally posted by: etech
her209
Yeah, so has North Korea. And its clear that North Korea has a nuclear weapons program. They have even stated it themselves. Clearly in violation of UN sanctions. Yet, we don't see thousands of US armed forces rushing over there awaiting word for invasion. As for the Iraq situation, all there is as of right now is speculation.

Can you find the number of the UN resolution that specifies that NK had to disarm?

As for Iraq there is much more than speculation. There is a history of twelve years of defiance and lies and deceptions all based on the one UN resolution 687. Iraq has not met it's requirements.


Why not let UN decide if Iraq has met the requirements drafted and agreed by UN. Why is American the judge, the jury and the executioner of Iraq. Why can't American wait for UN to decide if Iraq has violated the agreement and if military action is justified.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: etech
her209
Yeah, so has North Korea. And its clear that North Korea has a nuclear weapons program. They have even stated it themselves. Clearly in violation of UN sanctions. Yet, we don't see thousands of US armed forces rushing over there awaiting word for invasion. As for the Iraq situation, all there is as of right now is speculation.

Can you find the number of the UN resolution that specifies that NK had to disarm?

As for Iraq there is much more than speculation. There is a history of twelve years of defiance and lies and deceptions all based on the one UN resolution 687. Iraq has not met it's requirements.


Why not let UN decide if Iraq has met the requirements drafted and agreed by UN. Why is American the judge, the jury and the executioner of Iraq. Why can't American wait for UN to decide if Iraq has violated the agreement and if military action is justified.


We have been waiting 12 years. We wanted to remove him 12 years ago while we were at it, but we bowed to world pressure, rather than doing the right thing.
 

etech

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Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: etech
her209
Yeah, so has North Korea. And its clear that North Korea has a nuclear weapons program. They have even stated it themselves. Clearly in violation of UN sanctions. Yet, we don't see thousands of US armed forces rushing over there awaiting word for invasion. As for the Iraq situation, all there is as of right now is speculation.

Can you find the number of the UN resolution that specifies that NK had to disarm?

As for Iraq there is much more than speculation. There is a history of twelve years of defiance and lies and deceptions all based on the one UN resolution 687. Iraq has not met it's requirements.


Why not let UN decide if Iraq has met the requirements drafted and agreed by UN. Why is American the judge, the jury and the executioner of Iraq. Why can't American wait for UN to decide if Iraq has violated the agreement and if military action is justified.


Everyone keeps mentioning the UN as if it is some super organization. It is just an organization of different countries of the world. Each having their own agenda and reasons for viewing the situation in different ways.

The UN inspectors have already declared that Iraq has not met the terms of the last of so many UN resolutions against Iraq. So suppose the UN decides that Iraq gets off this time and also lifts the sanctions on Iraq. Now if the US and Britain is correct and Saddam does still want to rearm and grow his military again which nation would pay the highest price for inaction today?
Which nation would have to send it?s military in against a rearmed Saddam?
 

Moonbeam

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Everyone keeps mentioning the US (Read UN) as if it is some super organization. It is just an organization of different countries of the world. Each having their own agenda and reasons for viewing the situation in different ways.
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Nice. How true, and the US is right in there with them. I guess everything is relativistic and there's no real truth. Just various opinions motivated by self interest and whose cow's been gored. No?
 

etech

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Everyone keeps mentioning the US (Read UN) as if it is some super organization. It is just an organization of different countries of the world. Each having their own agenda and reasons for viewing the situation in different ways.
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Nice. How true, and the US is right in there with them. I guess everything is relativistic and there's no real truth. Just various opinions motivated by self interest and whose cow's been gored. No?

No, in this case it is more of a case of trying to keep our cows from being gored.

What will happen if the sanctions are lifted and Saddam has billion of dollars to spend on his new toys of desctruction with no one watching him?