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MidasKnight

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My view:

We move on. We are all on diffrent spiritual levels here as well. And that's not to mean one person is " better " than another. Our spirit is eternal. This life is a very difficult school for us all. But we are ment to experience this life for all it's up's and down's. We learn and grow for all our experiences while here in the flesh. No matter how long or short our life is.


I found this opinion posted on George Anderson's web site the other day and thought it was a good read. And no I'm not a follower of mediums. I do like George Anderson and John Edwards but Most of the others I've listened to were a bunch of BS scammers IMO.


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The Devil Made Me Write This

by George Anderson

Every once in a while a customer will send an interesting piece of news or snippet from their local paper. Such was the case when someone sent me a page from the Daily Press of Victorville, California. The article's title--"Vatican School Debuts Classes on Exorcism." Naturally the sender knew the article would be of interest to me for two reasons, because I am Catholic, and because the article flies in the face of just about everything the souls have said about the "Devil."

The Vatican in its struggle to regain lost credibility, lost worshippers, and lost dollars has re-invented itself again by bringing back the subject of excorcism, I will guess in an effort to take the focus away from the pedophilia scandal that they cannot make disappear. I just find it odd that after the hubbub of the 1970's when excorcism became a household word, in part due to movies like "The Excorcist" and "The Omen", that the Church would want to take the lid off the Pandora's Box when it took years to get the lid back on. The good news is that they have put a millennium spin on it now--the Devil is on the Earth.

I have many friends in the clergy. They know not to broach this subject with me because what they were taught is not clear, and even the Church is at odds as to find answers to its own questions. The souls have told me ever since I was able to hear them that the Infinite Light (or God) is pure light and love. Nothing exists in the presence of the Light except for joy. That is why it has been called "heaven." The souls have told me in more than one million sessions that evil is a product of the earth and it stays on the earth. They have explained thousands of times to families that there simply isnt a hell--even the worst on the earth are made to understand where their road went astray here, and are given the opportunity to work to earn the peace, love and joy of the Infinite Light.

Although I was brought up hearing the same dogma that just about every other Christian has been made to listen to, I also have the souls--their words and their deeds-- who offer up a very compelling case against the belief in Satan and Hell.

I often ask people this--if God forgives all, and all you need to do to be forgiven is to ask for it, then if Adolf Hitler, in his last breath says, "God forgive me," where does he go ? I am afraid Christians cannot eat their cake and still have it when it comes to the rules. Although it may pain a lot of people to hear this, no matter how bad your life was on the earth, your anger, your pain, your illness has been understood by the Infinite Light who forgives and offers to help to make things right. This is not to say that all is forgotten--I remember in a session I did for a family whose daughter was murdered by an estranged boyfriend who later killed himself, that his job in the hereafter was to look after the family's surviving son, who himself was on a road of destruction, to help himself get back on his feet. The daughter asked for the family to pray for her killer because he needed their forgiveness and was working very hard to earn his place in the Light. I think at the time is was almost too much for the family to hear. But I talked to the family a few years later, and yes their son had straightened his life out, and yes they are struggling to find forgiveness for their daughter's killer, but they understand that it is what forgiveness is all about--to just find peace. The mother told me in a letter "I can hate the man for killing my daughter but I have to love him for saving my son.

There is plenty of evil on the earth, make no mistake--but we cannot have excorcisms for greed or violence or broken trust. Our goal here is to try to erase the evil that is a part of us and our every day lives, and try, at least a little, to bring heaven to the earth. The souls say it can be done.
 

KevinH

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Originally posted by: litesgod
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Riprorin
My views on eternity are biblically based: Everyone will exist eternally in either heaven or hell, everyone has one life in which to determine their destiny, and where a person spends eternity is determined by whether they believe in Christ and trust Him alone to save them.

Most people in this world are not Christians and don't believe in Christ. Will they go to hell because they aren't Christians? I think it's a pretty arrogant and distasteful thing to say. This is what turns many people off from Christianty. It's the "Be a Christian or you will go to hell" attitude that many people don't like.

I really don't know what happens. Some believe in reincarnation, others believe in after life and others believe there is nothing. Noone knows for sure.



Yes, most people will spend eternity in hell. I realize that may seem distasteful and arrogant, but it is the truth. It is my belief that even many who confess to be Christian will spend eternity in hell. Those pseudo-Christians are the ones that turn people off from Christianity. In truth, Christianity is an open invitation, Christ and the entire New Testament make that very clear.

Oh, and before someone asks, no I will not make judgements on who is and who isn't a true Christian. It is not my place to judge anyone.


What about someone who was never exposed to Christianity?
 

magomago

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I think god will judge us each individually based on our umm "good stuff" and "bad stuff" (lol i need to expand my vocabulary ;) ). Even if we have more bad stuff than good stuff, we won't spend ETERNITY in hell, rather we will be there for as long as is needed(something similar to purgatory). But everyone will have to go through hell. However even the most worldy preson will experience it, even if it just (metaphorically ;) ) birds carrying the mover to where the fire just slightly tingles your feet, to the murderer who will have to crawl slowly and take a LOOOONG time ;) Either way I think almost all end up in heaven some way or another....I say almost all because you can't say all for certain ;) We aren't god so we don't know what God is thinking.
 

jackschmittusa

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I would love to see the day when we can finally communicate with another sentient species (aliens, dolphins?) and we explain to them how special we are with our souls. Will they laugh or cry?
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
I would love to see the day when we can finally communicate with another sentient species (aliens, dolphins?) and we explain to them how special we are with our souls. Will they laugh or cry?

Well, according to the alien interview "documentary" the greys consider their bodies as vessels and are quite certain that they go on to another vessel afterwards. Apparently they weren't afraid of dying. Those who claim to have knowledge of military/government interaction of the greys said that it was much easier to talk (oh sorry, telepath) about spirituality than it was about science. :p On the other hand GWB is more likely to be a V-like alien than for that "documentary" to have any credence but since you brought it up...
 

Spamela

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if you're found to have tortured your fellow
ATPN'ers with a lot of flamebait troll threads/posts
(coming under the rubric "Thou shalt not steal"), you'll
have a lot to be worried about.
 

mwtgg

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Originally posted by: magomago
I think god will judge us each individually based on our umm "good stuff" and "bad stuff" (lol i need to expand my vocabulary ;) ). Even if we have more bad stuff than good stuff, we won't spend ETERNITY in hell, rather we will be there for as long as is needed(something similar to purgatory). But everyone will have to go through hell. However even the most worldy preson will experience it, even if it just (metaphorically ;) ) birds carrying the mover to where the fire just slightly tingles your feet, to the murderer who will have to crawl slowly and take a LOOOONG time ;) Either way I think almost all end up in heaven some way or another....I say almost all because you can't say all for certain ;) We aren't god so we don't know what God is thinking.

But if you're dead, how can you feel?
 

bdude

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I'd say the scariest possible scenario would be this: God is not all forgiving, all kind, and all benificent. He's a mean spirited bastard who enjoys watching people suffer and consequently we all go to hell no matter how "good" or "evil" you were in this life.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Spamela
if you're found to have tortured your fellow
ATPN'ers with a lot of flamebait troll threads/posts
(coming under the rubric "Thou shalt not steal"), you'll
have a lot to be worried about.

Hehe. I think a fair afterlife would be to have to live on the flip-side of your actions and beliefs until you were "enlightened." So if you advocated penalizing abortions you'd have to be a young woman with a rapist's child in your womb. Then again, life isn't fair, so why would the afterlife be? :p
 

mwtgg

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Originally posted by: bdude
I'd say the scariest possible scenario would be this: God is not all forgiving, all kind, and all benificent. He's a mean spirited bastard who enjoys watching people suffer and consequently we all go to hell no matter how "good" or "evil" you were in this life.

I'd say the scariest thing is finding out that there is no god and that spending your whole life serving this god was a waste. But if this is the case, it wouldn't matter because you'd just be dead.
 

bdude

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Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: bdude
I'd say the scariest possible scenario would be this: God is not all forgiving, all kind, and all benificent. He's a mean spirited bastard who enjoys watching people suffer and consequently we all go to hell no matter how "good" or "evil" you were in this life.

I'd say the scariest thing is finding out that there is no god and that spending your whole life serving this god was a waste. But if this is the case, it wouldn't matter because you'd just be dead.


Then I suppose it isn't so scary after all. Unless of course your faith dwindles and you begin to question whether such a life of devotion is worth it. Then again, life is all about choices.
 

mwtgg

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Originally posted by: bdude
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: bdude
I'd say the scariest possible scenario would be this: God is not all forgiving, all kind, and all benificent. He's a mean spirited bastard who enjoys watching people suffer and consequently we all go to hell no matter how "good" or "evil" you were in this life.

I'd say the scariest thing is finding out that there is no god and that spending your whole life serving this god was a waste. But if this is the case, it wouldn't matter because you'd just be dead.

Then I suppose it isn't so scary after all. Unless of course your faith dwindles and you begin to question whether such a life of devotion is worth it. Then again, life is all about choices.

True.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: bdude
I'd say the scariest possible scenario would be this: God is not all forgiving, all kind, and all benificent. He's a mean spirited bastard who enjoys watching people suffer and consequently we all go to hell no matter how "good" or "evil" you were in this life.

I'd say the scariest thing is finding out that there is no god and that spending your whole life serving this god was a waste. But if this is the case, it wouldn't matter because you'd just be dead.

pascals wager?
 

mwtgg

Lifer
Dec 6, 2001
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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: bdude
I'd say the scariest possible scenario would be this: God is not all forgiving, all kind, and all benificent. He's a mean spirited bastard who enjoys watching people suffer and consequently we all go to hell no matter how "good" or "evil" you were in this life.

I'd say the scariest thing is finding out that there is no god and that spending your whole life serving this god was a waste. But if this is the case, it wouldn't matter because you'd just be dead.

pascals wager?

Is that where he says it's best to bet there is a God, because if you do and there is you gain eternal happiness, but if there isn't, you gain nothing and lose nothing?
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: bdude
I'd say the scariest possible scenario would be this: God is not all forgiving, all kind, and all benificent. He's a mean spirited bastard who enjoys watching people suffer and consequently we all go to hell no matter how "good" or "evil" you were in this life.

I'd say the scariest thing is finding out that there is no god and that spending your whole life serving this god was a waste. But if this is the case, it wouldn't matter because you'd just be dead.

pascals wager?

Is that where he says it's best to bet there is a God, because if you do and there is you gain eternal happiness, but if there isn't, you gain nothing and lose nothing?

Yes. That's Pascal's Wager. (Would you have preferred I not post since this isn't a paragraph?)
 

joshw10

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Nobody knows.

However, the idea of an eternal "Heaven and/or Hell" afterlife seems like far-fetched fantasy to me. Occam's Razor tells us the simplest explanation is the most likely - this would be that when you die you cease to exist. Many people don't like this explanation because they can't imagine what it would be like to not exist. That is the problem. Humans are the first species on this planet to be intelligent enough to question their existance in life and death, but not yet advanced enough to have all the answers to questions like this. For that reason, religion was invented to answer these questions in a way even the uneducated could understand.
 

dornick

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Originally posted by: joshw10
Nobody knows.

However, the idea of an eternal "Heaven and/or Hell" afterlife seems like far-fetched fantasy to me. Occam's Razor tells us the simplest explanation is the most likely - this would be that when you die you cease to exist.

If people used Occam's Razor all the time, we would still use Newtonian physics, think everything revolved around the Earth, and have a very, very different picture of life. Claiming some sort of absolute principle that is constantly contradicted is no excuse to say something doesn't exist.
 

Tylanner

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With no brain to think and no eyes to see....ect

You are done. Finished. See you next go around.

But I'll admit, the concept is very perplexing, and will NEVER be solved. But I'm not going to let a promise of an afterlife guide my life.
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: Tylanner
With no brain to think and no eyes to see....ect

You are done. Finished. See you next go around.

But I'll admit, the concept is very perplexing, and will NEVER be solved. But I'm not going to let a promise of an afterlife guide my life.

:thumbsup:
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: litesgod
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Riprorin
My views on eternity are biblically based: Everyone will exist eternally in either heaven or hell, everyone has one life in which to determine their destiny, and where a person spends eternity is determined by whether they believe in Christ and trust Him alone to save them.

Most people in this world are not Christians and don't believe in Christ. Will they go to hell because they aren't Christians? I think it's a pretty arrogant and distasteful thing to say. This is what turns many people off from Christianty. It's the "Be a Christian or you will go to hell" attitude that many people don't like.

I really don't know what happens. Some believe in reincarnation, others believe in after life and others believe there is nothing. Noone knows for sure.



Yes, most people will spend eternity in hell. I realize that may seem distasteful and arrogant, but it is the truth. It is my belief that even many who confess to be Christian will spend eternity in hell. Those pseudo-Christians are the ones that turn people off from Christianity. In truth, Christianity is an open invitation, Christ and the entire New Testament make that very clear.

Oh, and before someone asks, no I will not make judgements on who is and who isn't a true Christian. It is not my place to judge anyone.
Well for most people spending enternity in a place full of Evangelicals would be like spending eternity in hell.
 

joshw10

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: litesgod
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Riprorin
My views on eternity are biblically based: Everyone will exist eternally in either heaven or hell, everyone has one life in which to determine their destiny, and where a person spends eternity is determined by whether they believe in Christ and trust Him alone to save them.

Most people in this world are not Christians and don't believe in Christ. Will they go to hell because they aren't Christians? I think it's a pretty arrogant and distasteful thing to say. This is what turns many people off from Christianty. It's the "Be a Christian or you will go to hell" attitude that many people don't like.

I really don't know what happens. Some believe in reincarnation, others believe in after life and others believe there is nothing. Noone knows for sure.



Yes, most people will spend eternity in hell. I realize that may seem distasteful and arrogant, but it is the truth. It is my belief that even many who confess to be Christian will spend eternity in hell. Those pseudo-Christians are the ones that turn people off from Christianity. In truth, Christianity is an open invitation, Christ and the entire New Testament make that very clear.

Oh, and before someone asks, no I will not make judgements on who is and who isn't a true Christian. It is not my place to judge anyone.
Well for most people spending enternity in a place full of Evangelicals would be like spending eternity in hell.

This is why at some point Christians changed up the rules and said that if you've never heard of Christ, then you're OK. But if you have, then you've had your chance and too bad.
 

Infohawk

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It seems like most of the results are in. As usual it suggests a left-leaning bent to P&N (yes I'm assuming most of those thinking they will go to heaven or hell are conservatives). Most people here don't know or think nothing will happen. Only about 15% are straight-up Christians apparently. They sure are vocal on P&N though, whew!