What happens when you die?

[dornick]

Originally posted by: jer0608
See above

It seems the major difficulty you have is that not being a Christian means a one-way ticket to Hell. I don't believe this personally, and I know that the Church has condemned this attitude. I think it's very possible for people from other religions to be saved. The key, however, is not "living a good life", as everybody likes to say, because there is no such thing as "a good life". So, as I posted earlier, people have to realize:

1) They do bad things
2) They can't fix themselves
3) Therefore, something else has to help them

At this point, a Christian has already been given the answer, while a pagan might not see any solution but try anyway. Same difference. The Christian just has an easier time of it. Now the people who go to Hell are those who don't think there is anything wrong, and choose to set something else up as God to serve. As the Bible says, nobody can serve two masters, so somebody who loves only themselves, for example, will invariably end up hating God.

One other point in your response was when you said "imposing eternal retribution on doubters [would be classified] as 'spiteful and immature' rather than 'all loving'". I guess my answer wasn't clear enough. God doesn't "impose" any sort of retribution. It's the lost souls who refuse to be near God that causes the seperation.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: conjur
Ooof. You should really seek psychiatric help for your delusions.

He NEVER claimed to be divine.

Jesus said that he existed before Abraham:

"Before Abraham was born, I am" (NIV)

Jesus claimed that He was equal with God the Father:

"I and My Father are one" (NKJV).

He forgave sins:

"When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, son, thy sins be forgiven thee."

To this the scribes replied:

"Why doth this [man] thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?"

Jesus said that he will preside at the last judgement:

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. "

Jesus declared that "Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."

When Peter said that Jesus was the Crist (the Messiah" he praises him:

Simon Peter answered, ?You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.?

Jesus replied, ?Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.? Then he warned his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ.


Even Jesus' enemies recongnized His claims of divinity.

When Jesus asked why they wanted to stome him they replied:

"For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God"

 

[RobCur]

Originally posted by: conjur
Ooof. You should really seek psychiatric help for your delusions.

He NEVER claimed to be divine.

psychiatrics are my friends, we talk quite often on a regular basis.

Man, I love this board who's purpose is to instill fear and confusion among the crowds
Thanks for the entertainment thought

 

[mhillary]

You sleep forever.........

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: conjur
Ooof. You should really seek psychiatric help for your delusions.

He NEVER claimed to be divine.

Jesus said that he existed before Abraham:

"Before Abraham was born, I am" (NIV)

Jesus claimed that He was equal with God the Father:

"I and My Father are one" (NKJV).

He forgave sins:

"When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, son, thy sins be forgiven thee."

To this the scribes replied:

"Why doth this [man] thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?"

Jesus said that he will preside at the last judgement:

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. "

Jesus declared that "Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."

When Peter said that Jesus was the Crist (the Messiah" he praises him:

Simon Peter answered, ?You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.?

Jesus replied, ?Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.? Then he warned his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ.


Even Jesus' enemies recongnized His claims of divinity.

When Jesus asked why they wanted to stome him they replied:

"For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God"

It's a good thing that your religion doesn't require that you believe any of Jesus's claims, though. Obviously, if it doesn't require you to believe anything that can't be proven, it doesn't. And you certainly don't want that. Do you Rip?

 

[glorifiedg790]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Riprorin
My views on eternity are biblically based: Everyone will exist eternally in either heaven or hell, everyone has one life in which to determine their destiny, and where a person spends eternity is determined by whether they believe in Christ and trust Him alone to save them.

Most people in this world are not Christians and don't believe in Christ. Will they go to hell because they aren't Christians? I think it's a pretty arrogant and distasteful thing to say. This is what turns many people off from Christianty. It's the "Be a Christian or you will go to hell" attitude that many people don't like.

I really don't know what happens. Some believe in reincarnation, others believe in after life and others believe there is nothing. Noone knows for sure.

Catholics belive you have to be Baptized in the name of God to go to heaven. There is also something called Baptism of will. No one knows for sure. you are right It is our faith that guides us. I personally belive in purgatory. Which is preparation of your soul to go to heaven. I think that to go to heaven is to fully accept God.

 

[RobCur]

Dont make life complicated then it already is, just except the way things are and be happy!

 

[mhillary]

Are you ready for that eternal sleep??

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: conjur
Ooof. You should really seek psychiatric help for your delusions.

He NEVER claimed to be divine.

Jesus said that he existed before Abraham:

"Before Abraham was born, I am" (NIV)

Jesus claimed that He was equal with God the Father:

"I and My Father are one" (NKJV).

He forgave sins:

"When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, son, thy sins be forgiven thee."

To this the scribes replied:

"Why doth this [man] thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?"

Jesus said that he will preside at the last judgement:

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. "

Jesus declared that "Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."

When Peter said that Jesus was the Crist (the Messiah" he praises him:

Simon Peter answered, ?You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.?

Jesus replied, ?Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.? Then he warned his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ.


Even Jesus' enemies recongnized His claims of divinity.

When Jesus asked why they wanted to stome him they replied:

"For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God"

It's a good thing that your religion doesn't require that you believe any of Jesus's claims, though. Obviously, if it doesn't require you to believe anything that can't be proven, it doesn't. And you certainly don't want that. Do you Rip?

Your use of a triple negative is thowing me. If you can repharase that into a question that I can decipher, I'll try to respond.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: conjur
Ooof. You should really seek psychiatric help for your delusions.

He NEVER claimed to be divine.

Jesus said that he existed before Abraham:

"Before Abraham was born, I am" (NIV)

Jesus claimed that He was equal with God the Father:

"I and My Father are one" (NKJV).

He forgave sins:

"When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, son, thy sins be forgiven thee."

To this the scribes replied:

"Why doth this [man] thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?"

Jesus said that he will preside at the last judgement:

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. "

Jesus declared that "Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."

When Peter said that Jesus was the Crist (the Messiah" he praises him:

Simon Peter answered, ?You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.?

Jesus replied, ?Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.? Then he warned his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ.


Even Jesus' enemies recongnized His claims of divinity.

When Jesus asked why they wanted to stome him they replied:

"For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God"

It's a good thing that your religion doesn't require that you believe any of Jesus's claims, though. Obviously, if it doesn't require you to believe anything that can't be proven, it doesn't. And you certainly don't want that. Do you Rip?

Your use of a triple negative is thowing me. If you can repharase that into a question that I can decipher, I'll try to respond.

:laugh:

typical Riprorin

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Gaard
It's a good thing that your religion doesn't require that you believe any of Jesus's claims, though. Obviously, if it doesn't require you to believe anything that can't be proven, it doesn't. And you certainly don't want that. Do you Rip?

Your use of a triple negative is thowing me. If you can repharase that into a question that I can decipher, I'll try to respond.

:laugh:

typical Riprorin

I'm not gonna lie - I'm having trouble figuring out what the question means, too...

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Gaard
It's a good thing that your religion doesn't require that you believe any of Jesus's claims, though. Obviously, if it doesn't require you to believe anything that can't be proven, it doesn't. And you certainly don't want that. Do you Rip?

Your use of a triple negative is thowing me. If you can repharase that into a question that I can decipher, I'll try to respond.

:laugh:

typical Riprorin

I'm not gonna lie - I'm having trouble figuring out what the question means, too...

Would it help if you read the convo me and Rip had upthread a little?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: mhillary
You sleep forever.........

Lots of allusions to sleep. When you sleep however, you dream... Based on what science knows now, there will be no such dreaming when you are dead.

 

[slurmsmackenzie]

Originally posted by: Kibbo

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie

uh...science requires faith, you dunces.

of course the basics can be proven, but the fact that those basics even exist requires faith. point is, neither science or religion can prove where the universe came from. science has answered many questions, but several major ones still remain.

your puny circle.... HA! pi? that's hardly a definitive answer.

Science is merely this:

An assembly of the models which are most accurately supported by all observed evidence. That's all it is; a bunch of models. Some of these have stood the test of time so well that we refer to them as "laws." That is at its base inaccurate. But we can be pretty sure...

thanks

that's all i needed to hear. pretty sure. hey, i'm pretty sure oj cut his fvcking wife's head off, but he's having lunch at chez whitey's and not rotting in prison. so much for pretty sure, eh?

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Gaard
It's a good thing that your religion doesn't require that you believe any of Jesus's claims, though. Obviously, if it doesn't require you to believe anything that can't be proven, it doesn't. And you certainly don't want that. Do you Rip?

Your use of a triple negative is thowing me. If you can repharase that into a question that I can decipher, I'll try to respond.

:laugh:

typical Riprorin

I'm not gonna lie - I'm having trouble figuring out what the question means, too...

Would it help if you read the convo me and Rip had upthread a little?

I'm with you for the first bit, but the second half has me pretty spun around.