What happens when food stamps are a day late?

[JSt0rm]

I wish testicular cancer upon you! :sneaky: ()

 

[Nebor]

What ideology? The ideology of I got mine, and I resent anybody who might get something for free, no matter how little that might be? That I resent their children being fed and having a roof over their heads because their mommy is a dumbass?

It's the ideology of greed, and hatred of one's perceived social inferiors. It's the ideology of willful blindness, of thinking that being lucky makes one superior.

People on food stamps? There but for the Grace of God go I, and every one of us.

Which doesn't mean we're powerless to seek to modify a system that creates the enormous disparities we see, or that we should accept the pablum commonly used to justify it, the falsities used to perpetuate it, either.

With 15% of the population currently received food stamp assistance, the notion that they're all worthless bums is an obvious lie, even though Spidey appears to believe it. Contrast that with record corporate profits and an ever increasing share of income by the financial elite.

It's not the people trapped in the lower echelons of the system that are the problem, but rather the system itself, and the influence of greed at the top driving it.

I'm talking about people that have nothing (or very little) but vote against entitlements\social programs because they don't want anything given to them that they didn't earn.

 

[JSt0rm]

I'm talking about people that have nothing (or very little) but vote against entitlements\social programs because they don't want anything given to them that they didn't earn.

The Rich get rich by paying people less then they are worth and then charging others the real value. I have nothing against this but this person who is rich with employees certainly doesn't see the world as they should only get what they earn and they are shaping policy to ensure that their empires are maintained.

 

[Nebor]

The Rich get rich by paying people less then they are worth and then charging others the real value. I have nothing against this but this person who is rich with employees certainly doesn't see the world as they should only get what they earn and they are shaping policy to ensure that their empires are maintained.

You are literally having a conversation entirely separate from Jhnnn and me. It's just one non sequitur after another.

 

[Darwin333]

I'm not chastising you. I'm sure times are tough for you. I wont kick you while your down. I will point out your cognitive dissonance regarding this issue though. I really dont think Warren Buffet is in any place to say that he and his peers should pay more taxes while he himself admits to paying less than his secretary.

Works both ways... There is nothing wrong with taking advantage of something (legally) while advocating that it should be changed. Just like Warren Buffet wouldn't make a dent in the deficit if he voluntarily paid more taxes, none of us would make a dent in social spending by voluntarily not participating in programs that we qualify for.

 

[Darwin333]

Buffet lives at a level of wealth where economic factors affect his lifestyle not in the slightest, as do the rest of his peers. their lifestyles wouldn't change one bit at a tenth of their current level of income or wealth. They'd remain fabulously wealthy by middle class standards, and would lack for nothing.

The notion that he speaks against his own interests is an absurdity. Unlike many of his peers, he's well grounded as to what money will do for him personally, realizes through personal experience that it has diminishing utility.

The difference between paying 15% or 35% in federal taxes on an income measured in tens or hundreds of millions per year or more is just numbers, pure abstraction. It won't change how you live.

So at this point Warren Buffet is basically making money for "sport" and in doing so he is depriving a bunch of poor/middle class people of that money that he has absolutely no need for?

 

[Zebo]

The Rich get rich by paying people less then they are worth and then charging others the real value. I have nothing against this but this person who is rich with employees certainly doesn't see the world as they should only get what they earn and they are shaping policy to ensure that their empires are maintained.

No rich get rich by having market position. How many emplyees does an orthopedic surgeon have? Likely zero and makes 2M a year because he has market position. There are all sorts of market position one can have. Education. Talent. Owning shit.

 

[Slew Foot]

No rich get rich by having market position. How many emplyees does an orthopedic surgeon have? Likely zero and makes 2M a year because he has market position. There are all sorts of market position one can have. Education. Talent. Owning shit.

Not to rain on your parade but an Orthopod who makes that much probably employs a receptionist, a nurse, a medical assistant or two, and a physician assistant.

 

[Zebo]

Not a guy I built a house for. He had none but normal stuff like house keeper, gardener, etc. He worked for BIA and local hospitals.

Besides, you don't like that example? How many employees does Payton Manning have and he makes A LOT more.

 

[JSt0rm]

I'm not chastising you. I'm sure times are tough for you. I wont kick you while your down. I will point out your cognitive dissonance regarding this issue though. I really dont think you are in any place to be critical of others for taking services from the government as you are readily lapping them up yourself.

Works both ways... There is nothing wrong with taking advantage of something (legally) while advocating that it should be changed. Just like Warren Buffet wouldn't make a dent in the deficit if he voluntarily paid more taxes, none of us would make a dent in social spending by voluntarily not participating in programs that we qualify for.

My original quote is above. Please dont misquote me or add things to my quote that I never said. Thanks.

 

[JSt0rm]

No rich get rich by having market position. How many emplyees does an orthopedic surgeon have? Likely zero and makes 2M a year because he has market position. There are all sorts of market position one can have. Education. Talent. Owning shit.

Yeah. This is the boat I'm in. The thing is the ortho is providing a service with his time. He only has a finite amount of time and can charge what he does. BUT the market can only take so much before they turn to someone else. For him to continue to grow his income even more he could open a place and employ doctors on his own payroll. By doing this he can increase how much he makes even more by over seeing multiple doctors working.

 

[Zebo]

Not to rain on your parade but an Orthopod who makes that much probably employs a receptionist, a nurse, a medical assistant or two, and a physician assistant.

I also know this other doctor who is employed by a pain clinic and makes 2K a day 1099. Run C arm and other gimmicks. She's an anesthesiologist who doesn't pass gas No employees.

 

[JSt0rm]

I also know this other doctor who is employed by a pain clinic and makes 2K a day 1099. Run C arm and other gimmicks. She's an anesthesiologist who doesn't pass gas No employees.

The real baller is whoever is paying her.

 

[Zebo]

Yeah. This is the boat I'm in. The thing is the ortho is providing a service with his time. He only has a finite amount of time and can charge what he does. BUT the market can only take so much before they turn to someone else. For him to continue to grow his income even more he could open a place and employ doctors on his own payroll. By doing this he can increase how much he makes even more by over seeing multiple doctors working.

It was just an example bro showing you don't necessarily need to be underpaying employees, or even employees at all, to get rich.

 

[Zebo]

The real baller is whoever is paying her.

That's my brother. He's a pharmacist and owns a pain clinic/pharmacy in same building. He has three pharmacies but that location kicks down some serious revenue. She does 15 C arms a day @ $2500 a piece. machine only costs $45,000/ You do the math.

 

[JSt0rm]

It was just an example bro showing you don't necessarily need to be underpaying employees, or even employees at all, to get rich.

I understand. Its a good example. I'm just saying that you will always make more money by kicking ass and hiring people to work under you.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm talking about people that have nothing (or very little) but vote against entitlements\social programs because they don't want anything given to them that they didn't earn.

Those people don't need to accept it- it's not forced upon them- well, unless their kids are obviously malnourished. They're not the ones doing all the raving, anyway.

They're also an anachronism, maintaining self destructive idealizations about the past as well.

I mean, they don't want roads, schools, safe food & drugs, a safe place to put their money like an FDIC insured bank, doctors who really are doctors because of governmental standards, street lights and the rest of it, because they didn't work for it themselves, right?

Maybe there should be a buy-in price, a debt that all newborns have to pay before they can become full members of society, huh? That way, they'd have to work for everything. And no, mommy and daddy can't pay it for you, so you'll have to borrow the money to go to Harvard, whoever you are... inheritance of any sort would obviously be out of the question, as well...

You're right in the sense that most people on food stamps would really rather not- they'd rather have a better paying job, or a job at all, but that's not what the great and glorious Job Creators are doing ATM, is it?

 

[JSt0rm]

That's my brother. He's a pharmacist and owns a pain clinic/pharmacy in same building. He has three pharmacies but that location kicks down some serious revenue. She does 15 C arms a day @ $2500 a piece. machine only costs $45,000/ You do the math.

Then we are in agreement.

 

[BoberFett]

You're ignorant.

Quite the opposite, it's you. To the billionaires of the world, YOU are the little people, the ignorant masses who get in the way of a economy that functions in the manner that they desire.

 

[BoberFett]

Works both ways... There is nothing wrong with taking advantage of something (legally) while advocating that it should be changed. Just like Warren Buffet wouldn't make a dent in the deficit if he voluntarily paid more taxes, none of us would make a dent in social spending by voluntarily not participating in programs that we qualify for.

:thumbsup:

Don't ever expect any of these parrots to accept this very simple concept.

 

[JSt0rm]

Quite the opposite, it's you. To the billionaires of the world, YOU are the little people, the ignorant masses who get in the way of a economy that functions in the manner that they desire.

I have no idea what your talking about here. Lets just leave it that way though as I dont really care.

:thumbsup:

Don't ever expect any of these parrots to accept this very simple concept.

Darwin added some crap to my quote and then proceeded to argue against it? I guess that deserves a thumbs up.