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this seems to be contradictory There appears to be no hard figure but a merchant can deny your money.
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Tell that to my boss! :QOriginally posted by: Moonbeam
The real issue, of course, is that a half hour is not enough time for lunch.
Actually, I usually eat lunch at my desk, while I work... or skip lunch altogether.Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Tell that to my boss! :QOriginally posted by: Moonbeam
The real issue, of course, is that a half hour is not enough time for lunch.
The kids should have been gathered into an auditorium and a moderated discussion of the events should have taken place. Failure to use the incredible protest as some form of civics lesson should itself be punishable -- whoever decided to give the students detentions should be replaced and demoted.
I expect much greater from our schools.
damnit.
I will if you will also admit you actually take alot longer.
Originally posted by: chucky2
7th and 8th graders are 7th and 8th graders...this isn't college of even high school. These kids should be told what they will do, not think they have some right to protest or organize. That's F'ing insanity...what's next? They'll all tie their shoes in line to go out for recess because it's too short? They'll all type slowly in computer class because the PC's aren't good enough for them?
The correct avenue here was for the kids to tell their parents there's not enough time...or sign a petition and deliver it to the principle.
A bunch of big headed I'm going to protest because I think it'll be cool F tards just held up the line even longer so the kids behind them got 0 lunch time...good going morons!!!
Chuck
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: sirjonk
It's settled SC law that students have less rights in school than regular citizens outside school with regards to free speech, 4th amendment searches and a host of others.
Obviously time and money can be saved, then, by eliminating lunch all together.
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
These kids acted in a responsible, effective and orderly manner. I'm sorry if that bothers or offends your sense of authoritarian views of the world.
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: chucky2
7th and 8th graders are 7th and 8th graders...this isn't college of even high school. These kids should be told what they will do, not think they have some right to protest or organize. That's F'ing insanity...what's next? They'll all tie their shoes in line to go out for recess because it's too short? They'll all type slowly in computer class because the PC's aren't good enough for them?
The correct avenue here was for the kids to tell their parents there's not enough time...or sign a petition and deliver it to the principle.
A bunch of big headed I'm going to protest because I think it'll be cool F tards just held up the line even longer so the kids behind them got 0 lunch time...good going morons!!!
Chuck
Well aren't you the good little subject.
I'm sorry if you feel that "kids" don't have the right to think for themselves or to question authority but I see the world differently.
I'm sure that if you had a child that was being approached by a teacher and they came to you to discuss it you would tell him/her to just shut up and do it. After all, " These kids should be told what they will do."
These kids acted in a responsible, effective and orderly manner. I'm sorry if that bothers or offends your sense of authoritarian views of the world.
Originally posted by: chucky2
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: chucky2
7th and 8th graders are 7th and 8th graders...this isn't college of even high school. These kids should be told what they will do, not think they have some right to protest or organize. That's F'ing insanity...what's next? They'll all tie their shoes in line to go out for recess because it's too short? They'll all type slowly in computer class because the PC's aren't good enough for them?
The correct avenue here was for the kids to tell their parents there's not enough time...or sign a petition and deliver it to the principle.
A bunch of big headed I'm going to protest because I think it'll be cool F tards just held up the line even longer so the kids behind them got 0 lunch time...good going morons!!!
Chuck
Well aren't you the good little subject.
I'm sorry if you feel that "kids" don't have the right to think for themselves or to question authority but I see the world differently.
I'm sure that if you had a child that was being approached by a teacher and they came to you to discuss it you would tell him/her to just shut up and do it. After all, " These kids should be told what they will do."
These kids acted in a responsible, effective and orderly manner. I'm sorry if that bothers or offends your sense of authoritarian views of the world.
The kids job at school isn't to question authority, it's to sit down, STFU, and learn what they're there to learn. If the kids want to have a debate on how long their lunch period is, they can debate it with their parents on their own time, not waste what apperantly little they have holding it up on a prank so they can feel important. If they want to act like their opinion is actually important, then they can sign a petition and deliver it to the principle so the principle can see how many people have the b@lls to actually put their name to something.
As for when I have kids, you can be 110% sure I better not find out they're causing F'ing problems at school. Unless the adult is telling them to do something so out of line, my kid better d@mn well follow the instructions they're given, Period. School is not debate class where the kids are equal to the teachers, it's school, where the Teachers are the boss and the kids are there to behave and learn.
You want your kids to question authority? Fine. Have them question your authority with you at your home and have them STFU at school and not waste the Teachers and other kids time.
Unreal.
Chuck
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The real issue, of course, is that a half hour is not enough time for lunch.
The kids should have been gathered into an auditorium and a moderated discussion of the events should have taken place. Failure to use the incredible protest as some form of civics lesson should itself be punishable -- whoever decided to give the students detentions should be replaced and demoted.
I expect much greater from our schools.
damnit.
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: bbdub333
Free speech suffers another setback
Yeah, whatever you say.
Wow. What an insightful position and argument that you make. Now that you put it that way....I see it in a whole new light.
Either add something to the thread or FOAD Troll
In this case, I simply do not see any punishable offense. If I were the principal, I would have recognized it as an amazing effort by the students to force change in a system without resorting to violence or destructive disobedience; and I would have capitalized on the moment to teach the students about bureaucratic processes (petitions), and other forms of reasonable civil disobedience.Originally posted by: cwjerome
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The real issue, of course, is that a half hour is not enough time for lunch.
The kids should have been gathered into an auditorium and a moderated discussion of the events should have taken place. Failure to use the incredible protest as some form of civics lesson should itself be punishable -- whoever decided to give the students detentions should be replaced and demoted.
I expect much greater from our schools.
damnit.
That's pretty drastic... replaced or demoted for giving kids detentions? The fact that this issue is big news and people get so worked up over a detention is a disturbing sign of the times. Back in the day you sucked it up and dealt with it. That's life, serve your freakin detention kid. Now it's righteous indignation over "rights" and national alarm. We're breeding a generation of spoiled, babified victims who are always on the look-out for blame.
fair enough... and like you said, this is probably not that big of a deal... I just think the principal acted too quickly, and therefore may not be suited for the position.Besides, it's still a lesson in civics. Protesting often involves sacrifice. Make a statement, deal with the consequences. That's pretty much part of the protest.
Originally posted by: GenHoth
This isn't a prank nor a protest. This is 29 kids being complete asshats. They deserved detention.
Originally posted by: chucky2
7th and 8th graders are 7th and 8th graders...this isn't college of even high school. These kids should be told what they will do, not think they have some right to protest or organize. That's F'ing insanity...what's next? They'll all tie their shoes in line to go out for recess because it's too short? They'll all type slowly in computer class because the PC's aren't good enough for them?
The correct avenue here was for the kids to tell their parents there's not enough time...or sign a petition and deliver it to the principle.
A bunch of big headed I'm going to protest because I think it'll be cool F tards just held up the line even longer so the kids behind them got 0 lunch time...good going morons!!!
Chuck
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
This is what's wrong with America today. People finally stop being sheep, stand up for their rights, exercise proper civil disobedience, and they're punished for it by ignorant asses who don't deserve their position. To see this kind of leadership and initiative in middle school kids is AWESOME.
These kids should be PRAISED. Everyone involved in punishing them should be FIRED.
Originally posted by: Auryg
Originally posted by: chucky2
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: chucky2
7th and 8th graders are 7th and 8th graders...this isn't college of even high school. These kids should be told what they will do, not think they have some right to protest or organize. That's F'ing insanity...what's next? They'll all tie their shoes in line to go out for recess because it's too short? They'll all type slowly in computer class because the PC's aren't good enough for them?
The correct avenue here was for the kids to tell their parents there's not enough time...or sign a petition and deliver it to the principle.
A bunch of big headed I'm going to protest because I think it'll be cool F tards just held up the line even longer so the kids behind them got 0 lunch time...good going morons!!!
Chuck
Well aren't you the good little subject.
I'm sorry if you feel that "kids" don't have the right to think for themselves or to question authority but I see the world differently.
I'm sure that if you had a child that was being approached by a teacher and they came to you to discuss it you would tell him/her to just shut up and do it. After all, " These kids should be told what they will do."
These kids acted in a responsible, effective and orderly manner. I'm sorry if that bothers or offends your sense of authoritarian views of the world.
The kids job at school isn't to question authority, it's to sit down, STFU, and learn what they're there to learn. If the kids want to have a debate on how long their lunch period is, they can debate it with their parents on their own time, not waste what apperantly little they have holding it up on a prank so they can feel important. If they want to act like their opinion is actually important, then they can sign a petition and deliver it to the principle so the principle can see how many people have the b@lls to actually put their name to something.
As for when I have kids, you can be 110% sure I better not find out they're causing F'ing problems at school. Unless the adult is telling them to do something so out of line, my kid better d@mn well follow the instructions they're given, Period. School is not debate class where the kids are equal to the teachers, it's school, where the Teachers are the boss and the kids are there to behave and learn.
You want your kids to question authority? Fine. Have them question your authority with you at your home and have them STFU at school and not waste the Teachers and other kids time.
Unreal.
Chuck
So basically...you're saying kids aren't people? That they have no rights, especially in school? If I may ask, how old are you?
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
This is what's wrong with America today. People finally stop being sheep, stand up for their rights, exercise proper civil disobedience, and they're punished for it by ignorant asses who don't deserve their position. To see this kind of leadership and initiative in middle school kids is AWESOME.
These kids should be PRAISED. Everyone involved in punishing them should be FIRED.
Thats what wrong with these forums so often the kids are praising the kids! Even if the kids were wrong or went about proving their point ina disruptive manner!!
Kids are still kids and have to follow adult rules!! Sorry!! That`s just the way it is!!
That`s one reason Ron what`s his name is Ron who?? now.
All his support was from mis- informed kids!
lets see it goes like this --
Who are you voting for?
A--Ron whats his name of course...
Are you old enough to vote?
Well no...but when I am old enough I will vote for Ron whats his name...lol
Peace!!
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
This is what's wrong with America today. People finally stop being sheep, stand up for their rights, exercise proper civil disobedience, and they're punished for it by ignorant asses who don't deserve their position. To see this kind of leadership and initiative in middle school kids is AWESOME.
These kids should be PRAISED. Everyone involved in punishing them should be FIRED.
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
This is what's wrong with America today. People finally stop being sheep, stand up for their rights, exercise proper civil disobedience, and they're punished for it by ignorant asses who don't deserve their position. To see this kind of leadership and initiative in middle school kids is AWESOME.
These kids should be PRAISED. Everyone involved in punishing them should be FIRED.
Thats what wrong with these forums so often the kids are praising the kids! Even if the kids were wrong or went about proving their point ina disruptive manner!!
Kids are still kids and have to follow adult rules!! Sorry!! That`s just the way it is!!
That`s one reason Ron what`s his name is Ron who?? now.
All his support was from mis- informed kids!
lets see it goes like this --
Who are you voting for?
A--Ron whats his name of course...
Are you old enough to vote?
Well no...but when I am old enough I will vote for Ron whats his name...lol
Peace!!
Hmmm, except in this case it's coming from a 35yr old veteran, father, and about to be high school teacher.
Thanks for playing though.
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
This is what's wrong with America today. People finally stop being sheep, stand up for their rights, exercise proper civil disobedience, and they're punished for it by ignorant asses who don't deserve their position. To see this kind of leadership and initiative in middle school kids is AWESOME.
These kids should be PRAISED. Everyone involved in punishing them should be FIRED.
Wow. And you're going to be a teacher? LOL?
Explain to me how this is proper civil disobedience please. I missed that explanation.
Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
This is what's wrong with America today. People finally stop being sheep, stand up for their rights, exercise proper civil disobedience, and they're punished for it by ignorant asses who don't deserve their position. To see this kind of leadership and initiative in middle school kids is AWESOME.
These kids should be PRAISED. Everyone involved in punishing them should be FIRED.
Thats what wrong with these forums so often the kids are praising the kids! Even if the kids were wrong or went about proving their point ina disruptive manner!!
Kids are still kids and have to follow adult rules!! Sorry!! That`s just the way it is!!
That`s one reason Ron what`s his name is Ron who?? now.
All his support was from mis- informed kids!
lets see it goes like this --
Who are you voting for?
A--Ron whats his name of course...
Are you old enough to vote?
Well no...but when I am old enough I will vote for Ron whats his name...lol
Peace!!
Hmmm, except in this case it's coming from a 35yr old veteran, father, and about to be high school teacher.
Thanks for playing though.
37 here, also a veteran ... check Wait until you get your own classroom then (I have been teaching for 18 months). I applaud and support kids for standing up for themselves, but only if it is focused, constructive, and thought out. Unfortunately most of the kids around 7th - 8th grade aren't focused and it ends up being anarchy which you do not want in your classroom / school. From the article it sounds like the kids didn't think it out, or file a formal request / complaint, they reacted and got in trouble. Try something like that at your place of work without having union support and see where it gets you.
Fortunately I teach in a public charter school where mutual respect is present. If the students have a gripe they know that they address it to the student counsel for resolution instead of having an impromptu protest.