What Happens If Fermi Turns Out To Be Awesome?

[DrZoidberg]

It's the Riva TNT all over again!

Whats wrong with the Riva TNT apart from it being bog slow compared to todays card.
Back then it competed against 3dfx voodoo 2 and voodoo2 could only do 3d and had to buy a seperate 2d card.

I'm happy I bought a Radeon 5770 now that nvidia's new gen is sooo hot and noisy.

 

[Attic]

edit: removed

 

[yh125d]

The 480GTX-SLI is way faster than the 5970. So I win right?

I did say SLI didn't I? Oh well let's just use PhysX benchmarks.

I admit I did get a bit over zealous. Might be why I never took the bet.

Then again look how many people were wrong here.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2061079

Que sera, sera.

For a moment I had hoped your vacation was permanent, but I guess I was mistaken



Keep yammering on the same bullshit that got you banned in the first place and it will probably happen again

:thumbsdown:

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Whats wrong with the Riva TNT apart from it being bog slow compared to todays card.

Nothing. I liked that it wasn't blurry like the Voodoo 2. However, it was slower than intended (90MHz vs 110MHz), ran hotter than intended and came later than intended. Instead of being faster than the Voodoo 2, it was slightly slower / equal in speed.

The TNT2 is what the TNT should have been.

 

[yh125d]

Nothing. I liked that it wasn't blurry like the Voodoo 2. However, it was slower than intended (90MHz vs 110MHz), ran hotter than intended and came later than intended. Instead of being faster than the Voodoo 2, it was slightly slower / equal in speed.

The TNT2 is what the TNT should have been.

I have high hopes for NV next gen


I just hope they have a whole line of cards, unlike last gen (GTX260 and up only, plus recycled cards)

They better not do only one GPU from now on >.>

 

[Cookie Monster]

Because Fermi is very modular in nature, Id expect a complete top to bottom based on the same architecture. However Im guessing that mid range and down will have things like DP support cut out.

GF104 is rumoured to be taped out already so we could see them sometime later this year.

 

[Keysplayr]

I wonder how the focus group marketeers are going to spin this though. Even if fermi was worth the price difference it's not going to be worth buying a new psu for as well as the card.

First, I'm going to ask you to knock of your Focus group member inquisition as if it were a mission. Second, GF100 is what it is. It has good points and bad points, and each individual has to weigh the pro's and con's. It's normal. What is NOT normal is you constantly provoking focus group members (A.K.A. ME). Makes me think you have an agenda. Prove me wrong.

 

[reallyscrued]

It was a subjective question. Don't be an asshole if you can't do it nicely. Though in honesty, thank you for providing your opinion on the question. So I have to ask though - 5% more performance for a 25% premium? Does that put it in failure land?

Guess I should have bolded your usage of the word..."ergo". That's what I meant by, don't use words if you don't know what they mean.


No. In my opinion, 5% more performance for any amount of premium does not put in ...failure land. (Seriously, where do go in your head to choose your words?)

If the card was more expensive and performed worse than its rival, then it would be a failure. Think: the FX5800. But the card certainly isn't a failure.

Anyway, the card is out and reviews are plentiful. It gets a D in my book. (Lateness, efficiency/power draw, loudness, and the fact Wreckage likes it are all factors that lead me to give it this grade.)

EDIT: Wow, this is too good to leave alone.

First, I'm going to ask you to knock of your Focus group member inquisition as if it were a mission. Second, GF100 is what it is. It has good points and bad points, and each individual has to weigh the pro's and con's. It's normal. What is NOT normal is you constantly provoking focus group members (A.K.A. ME). Makes me think you have an agenda. Prove me wrong.

...Gee, you must be one of the sharper knives in the drawer of focus group members. Makes you "think" he has an agenda? What could've given it away? (Maybe his sig perhaps?) I guess you're not that bright though since you used AKA to mean something it doesn't.

Keys, you are annoying. You and Wreckage. Both of you. You remind me of someone who always votes Republican/Democrat/whatever without even hearing the issue at hand. Brand loyalty is one thing, but the shameless praise you give to NVIDIA is as transparent as glass, and every member of this forum can see through you. Get a new cause, because you've dried this one up.

But I'll bite; pros and cons you say? K, lemme break it down:

5870:
Costs Less
Less power draw
Quieter

GTX 480:
5-15% faster.
15-25 % pricier...
35-75 % noisier...
Shit lot more power draw.
Oh yeah, 6 months late.

You're right. The GF100 is what it is.
Unimpressive.

 

[SlowSpyder]

The 480GTX-SLI is way faster than the 5970. So I win right?

I did say SLI didn't I? Oh well let's just use PhysX benchmarks.

I admit I did get a bit over zealous. Might be why I never took the bet.

Then again look how many people were wrong here.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2061079

Que sera, sera.

That thread was made to take a stab at Fermi's performance. There were only rumors to go by, Nvidia wasn't leaking information (and you can see why now). It looks like Fermi is somewhere in the 5 - 20% faster range, so I'd say the bulk of people were in the ballpark.

But you claiming that the GTX480 would be more powerful than the 5970 seemed like more than a guess. You were pretty sure Nvidia would pull throgh on that. Well, the GTX480 draws more power than the 5970, I guess Nvidia has that feather to put in their cap...

We all know you're going to try and make the GTX4x0 cards sound like the most amazing technology ever, but you have to wonder why they released it on a Friday night. Why the Jen-Hsun Huang sold 150,000 shares of stock before the launch...

 

[slayernine]

Hmn yeah looks like he has indeed been dumping nVidia stock lately:

http://www.gurufocus.com/news.php?id=86145

 

[SunnyD]

Guess I should have bolded your usage of the word..."ergo". That's what I meant by, don't use words if you don't know what they mean.


No. In my opinion, 5% more performance for any amount of premium does not put in ...failure land. (Seriously, where do go in your head to choose your words?)

If the card was more expensive and performed worse than its rival, then it would be a failure. Think: the FX5800. But the card certainly isn't a failure.

Anyway, the card is out and reviews are plentiful. It gets a D in my book. (Lateness, efficiency/power draw, loudness, and the fact Wreckage likes it are all factors that lead me to give it this grade.)

Slightly liberal use of the term, but still valid, if poor English. After all, we are in the Video subforum. When in Rome...

You give it a D? Most universities consider D's non-passing grades. Ergo, failure land.

 

[poohbear]

now that fermi is out, may this thread RIP. Its hardly anywhere near awesome.

 

[Skott]

Well, after reading AT's review, and hearing what the 470 & 480 sounds like under full load (see the vids at HF) I don't see myself upgrading to a another nVidia card this year. ATI for me. Now if we could just get the 5870 prices down some...

 

[lopri]

We will never know the answer to the OP's question.

:biggrin:

 

[Dark4ng3l]

First, I'm going to ask you to knock of your Focus group member inquisition as if it were a mission. Second, GF100 is what it is. It has good points and bad points, and each individual has to weigh the pro's and con's. It's normal. What is NOT normal is you constantly provoking focus group members (A.K.A. ME). Makes me think you have an agenda. Prove me wrong.

2 days ago you were hinting to us that fermi was gona be AWESOME but you were under NDA. Funny how the NDA was actually stopping ya from telling hos how horribly unimpressive this thing would be. Hell we might actually wonder if the focus group thing had some influence on your opinion of the massive power hog that dear leader made for you guys.

And you really need to start seeing the writing on the wall. It's more of a crusade than a ''mission''. And really it's not against you it's about unethical marketing BS.

 

[akugami]

...Gee, you must be one of the sharper knives in the drawer of focus group members. Makes you "think" he has an agenda? What could've given it away? (Maybe his sig perhaps?) I guess you're not that bright though since you used AKA to mean something it doesn't.

Keys, you are annoying. You and Wreckage. Both of you. You remind me of someone who always votes Republican/Democrat/whatever without even hearing the issue at hand. Brand loyalty is one thing, but the shameless praise you give to NVIDIA is as transparent as glass, and every member of this forum can see through you. Get a new cause, because you've dried this one up.

"A.K.A." or "aka" is used as an abbreviated form of "also known as." I don't see anything wrong with his usage in that case since Keys is the only nVidia Focus member that posts here. Any talk about nVidia Focus members who post on here is basically calling him out. There's a couple of guys that constantly, and I do mean constantly, moan and groan about the Focus members. To the point it gets annoying.

If you have a problem with what anyone says, regardless of affiliation, then refute what the person said. No need for vague insinuations or other crap without anything solid to back up what you're saying. I judge Keys on what he says right now, not what his past tendencies are since he's not a troll, like some others I can name. Sometimes I'll disagree with what he says and I will post something to that effect. But I can't give him a hard time for having a personal opinion when I have my own opinions and you have your own opinions.

 

[reallyscrued]

"A.K.A." or "aka" is used as an abbreviated form of "also known as." I don't see anything wrong with his usage in that case since Keys is the only nVidia Focus member that posts here. Any talk about nVidia Focus members who post on here is basically calling him out. There's a couple of guys that constantly, and I do mean constantly, moan and groan about the Focus members. To the point it gets annoying.

If you have a problem with what anyone says, regardless of affiliation, then refute what the person said. No need for vague insinuations or other crap without anything solid to back up what you're saying. I judge Keys on what he says right now, not what his past tendencies are since he's not a troll, like some others I can name. Sometimes I'll disagree with what he says and I will post something to that effect. But I can't give him a hard time for having a personal opinion when I have my own opinions and you have your own opinions.

Keys is also known as nVidia focus group members? It's incorrect usage. Plus he asked DarkAngel to knock it "of", but that could have just been a typo.

He doesn't have to be a troll, you're missing the point. To always pick one side of a story regardless of the circumstances is blind stupidity, and DarkAngel hit the nail on the head. It's really about stupid BS marketing; if ATI were giving him free cards I believe he'd give off a very different tune. (a 30 db softer tune, in fact.)

I honestly can't believe how you can defend Wreckage and Keys. They do not promote healthy discussion as they treat the video hardware industry like bipartisan politics, receiving "gifts" and well....I guess kickbacks? Keys and Wreckage are a plague upon these forums. I even liked Rollo better.

SunnyD :

Oh well...then I give it a C. Whatever letter meaning it passes. At least Nvidia has something out now that is a true contender to the 5870.

 

[SunnyD]

"A.K.A." or "aka" is used as an abbreviated form of "also known as."

The sad thing is that this conversation devolved into analyzing usage of the English language.

Wait... Video forum... par for the course.

 

[Zebo]

Awesome would have been 512 cores. Awesome would have been less than 200W.

I rate this card a 6/10 - decent performance but hot and too loud. e.g. FX5800 ultra part deux.

Good for def people and certainly no 8800GTX/G92 achievement i.e. Awesome.

A cool running card still usable 3.5 years later and still being sold in some form or another. This card will not live in your comp 3.5 years IMO due to solder joint stresses.

 

[Mem]

I would have to say I'm disappointed in the new models by Nvidia ,infact not been this disappointed since their dustbuster model years ago and thats saying something,sure fermi was going to be hyped but still a let down IMHO,hopefully Nvidia will do better next time.
I hope they work on the power and heat issues because they are spiralling out of control.

I bet AMD/ATi are smiling and to be honest I can see why, well done AMD/ATi.

 

[Warren21]

I would honestly enjoy a direct answer to all the pre-hype seen by Keys et al just a few weeks ago until the present. Personal attacks aside, this card can be counted as nothing but a failure from a business perspective.

Even as a gamer, one would have to be of questionable intelligence to pay 100$+ for such a small return (SunnyD has the percentile specifics); granted the high end is never the best $/perf, these cards are an exception to the exception... It really feels like the HD 2900 XT's all over again: decent performance but huge, hot and power hungry.

Guess I'll hold out with my 4850's until Xmas.

***

Also, a nod to the hypocrisy of saying the GTX 480 is a definite win over the 5970 because of single- vs. multi-GPU when a few months ago the GTX 295 enjoyed praise from the same people despite the same...

 

[akugami]

Keys is also known as nVidia focus group members? It's incorrect usage. Plus he asked DarkAngel to knock it "of", but that could have just been a typo.

He doesn't have to be a troll, you're missing the point. To always pick one side of a story regardless of the circumstances is blind stupidity, and DarkAngel hit the nail on the head. It's really about stupid BS marketing; if ATI were giving him free cards I believe he'd give off a very different tune. (a 30 db softer tune, in fact.)

I honestly can't believe how you can defend Wreckage and Keys. They do not promote healthy discussion as they treat the video hardware industry like bipartisan politics, receiving "gifts" and well....I guess kickbacks? Keys and Wreckage are a plague upon these forums. I even liked Rollo better.

I will defend Wreckage if he's right. The fact that he's right 0.01% of the time means I realistically never have to. Keysplayr on the other hand is someone who I have no issues with. I might disagree with him at times but that's a different story.

Lets face it, we all knew what Keys meant when he used AKA in his post. We all knew who someone like DarkAngel (though he's not the only one) was talking about when DarkAngel was talking about "nVidia Focus Group members" which in essence was Keys on these forums. We can argue about semantics all day but it won't change things. You have the right to your opinions just like I have the right to my opinions just like even a known troll like Wreckage has the right to his opinions. If someone spouts crap, then refute it. No need for an inquisition. And mind you, I'm guilty of similar behavior at times when it comes to Wreckage and the lies/crap that he spouts.



Back on topic. Fermi is a disappointment. It's not bad by any means...it just doesn't "wow" me. The GTX 480 definitely has a solid lead over the Radeon 5870 but it's coming six months late and paper launched. Let's face it, you won't be able to buy one until Q2'10. While nVidia can claim Fermi "launched" in Q1, you won't be able to buy one until Q2. Either way, it looks like I won't be getting a new video card this round. It'll have to be a respun Fermi at the end of the year or whatever ATI's new video card is.

 

[RussianSensation]

Yeah it is hot and loud. That did not stop people here buying the 4870/4890 instead of a faster card. Whatever.

I love your posts man! Keep it up.

Which faster card? The $50 overpriced GTX275 or the $100 overpriced GTX285, when 4890s were going for $190? Right.

Last time I checked, NV had the hottest cards and loudest cards in their GT200 lineup. My 4890 runs at 28% fan speed at idle btw.

 

[ZimZum]

^^^

Please stop clouding the issues with facts and logic.

 

[MrK6]

I love your posts man! Keep it up.

Which faster card? The $50 overpriced GTX275 or the $100 overpriced GTX285, when 4890s were going for $190? Right.

Last time I checked, NV had the hottest cards and loudest cards in their GT200 lineup. My 4890 runs at 28% fan speed at idle btw.

Well there's a home run. Nice work :awe:.