What Happens If Fermi Turns Out To Be Awesome?

[SunnyD]

Looks awesome to me. Fastest chip out there with the most features. What's not to love?

I guess heavy is the head that wears the crown.

Figures you'd be in line to kiss ass. :sneaky:

 

[sxr7171]

I have a question for ... everybody:

At what point do you consider when the competition destroys the incumbent?

Ergo, at what level will you consider the GTX4x0 utterly destroying the 5800 series in terms of price and/or performance?

I ask this because right now, we're looking at an approximately $100 price difference between the 5870 and the GTX480 in terms of current retail prices. Are people really happy accepting (to make things simple - across the board) a 5% performance gain for that $100 (a 20% price premium)? I mean when you stop to think about it, 5% of 100FPS is only 5FPS, assuming the title you're playing is even capable of extracting 100FPS from your card to begin with. The ever subjective question is are you even going to notice those 5FPS difference?

Things get even more muddy when you consider 5% of those highly demanding games that might pull 30FPS is a whole 1.5FPS difference. Granted, at lower levels you might feel an improvement, but is it really measurably worth $100?

Now on the other hand, if it's the GTX470 that is competing directly with the 5870, which in some cases it probably will... that's somewhat more justifiable given the price. Especially when you tack on the additions of better folding support (arguably important to a few people) and PhysX (again, arguably important).

But honestly... the price is lackluster. Unless Fermi does better than expected by a wide margin, I think the argument is silly.

I've been saying this again and again. It only matters say if in a particular game I like to play I get 28fps and minimum frames of 15fps and the new card gives me 30fps but the minimum is 25fps. That changes a game from non-playable to playable. What was the % increase? It was 7%. That number by itself means nothing to me. What does matter is that the game is now playable due to the increase in the minimum frame rate.

 

[dguy6789]

Wreckage is back! Same person who said the GTX 295 held the performance crown over the 5870 saying it didn't matter that it was dual GPU. Same person who says the GTX 480 has the performance crown because it's okay to pretend AMD's dual GPU doesn't exist. Dual GPU only counts when it's an Nvidia card right? Same person also told everyone the 480 would be a lot faster than the 5970.

 

[Schmide]

Wreckage is back! Same person who said the GTX 295 held the performance crown over the 5870 saying it didn't matter that it was dual GPU. Same person who says the GTX 480 has the performance crown since it's okay to ignore AMD's dual GPU. Dual GPU only counts when it's an Nvidia card right?

Hypocrisy++;

 

[Nemesis 1]

Looks awesome to me. Fastest chip out there with the most features. What's not to love?

I guess heavy is the head that wears the crown.

This is from guy that said fermi be out in sept. In the NV beats ATI to DX11 thread.

 

[Dark4ng3l]

I wonder how the focus group marketeers are going to spin this though. Even if fermi was worth the price difference it's not going to be worth buying a new psu for as well as the card.

 

[toyota]

Looks awesome to me. Fastest chip out there with the most features. What's not to love?

I guess heavy is the head that wears the crown.

well its way more expensive, uses over 100 more watts than 5870, runs really hot and is the loudest card anandtech has tested. I usually prefer Nividia but your comments are beyond stupid.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Looks awesome to me. Fastest chip out there with the most features. What's not to love?

I guess heavy is the head that wears the crown.

You're back, huh?

It seems to be lacking some features (where is the 3D Vision Nvidia said would launch with it?) It is faster than the 5870, I'll certainly give it that. It's also nearly impossible to find (though I did see it on Zipzoomfly.com a while ago for $699...) and sounds like a leaf blower. I could go on about it's power use and how it's pretty underwhelming overall vs. a part that has beeen out for half a year.

This part is good enough to make the Nvidia fanboys happy, for most others it's pretty 'meh'.

 

[MrK6]

So since Fermi is completely unimpressive, that answers that, huh?

 

[Wreckage]

I agree with the OP. Nothing would have impressed the ATI fans here.

Oh well. It was never meant for you.

It is faster, it does offer more features and it will only get better with newer drivers, features, revisions, etc.

For example Metro 2033 with full Physx and CUDA water effects. Awesome!

Yeah it is hot and loud. That did not stop people here buying the 4870/4890 instead of a faster card. Whatever.

Did you all miss me that much? My vacation was over a long time ago, but you always save the best for last.

 

[Maximilian]

I agree with the OP. Nothing would have impressed the ATI fans here.

Oh well. It was never meant for you.

It is faster, it does offer more features and it will only get better with newer drivers, features, revisions, etc.

For example Metro 2033 with full Physx and CUDA water effects. Awesome!

Yeah it is hot and loud. That did not stop people here buying the 4870/4890 instead of a faster card. Whatever.

Did you all miss me that much? My vacation was over a long time ago, but you always save the best for last.

Stopped them buying the FX5800 though, theres a difference between hot and loud and too hot and too loud, fermi sounds like the latter.

 

[Grooveriding]

Looks awesome to me. Fastest chip out there with the most features. What's not to love?

I guess heavy is the head that wears the crown.

Let me refer you to your past predictions and my response to them

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=29303814&highlight=#post29303814

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=29308782&highlight=#post29308782

Well at least you knew you were spouting crap and saved yourself $100.

This card is a lame duck, 10% more performance, 6 months later, hot enough to melt steel, for $100 more.

Enjoy

 

[Wreckage]

Let me refer you to your past predictions and my response to them

The 480GTX-SLI is way faster than the 5970. So I win right?

I did say SLI didn't I? Oh well let's just use PhysX benchmarks.

I admit I did get a bit over zealous. Might be why I never took the bet.

Then again look how many people were wrong here.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2061079

Que sera, sera.

 

[Grooveriding]

The 480GTX-SLI is way faster than the 5970. So I win right?

I did say SLI didn't I? Oh well let's just use PhysX benchmarks.

I admit I did get a bit over zealous. Might be why I never took the bet.

Then again look how many people were wrong here.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2061079

Que sera, sera.

Give it up, go to nvnews or somewhere else where they are as out of it as you are.

 

[MrK6]

The 480GTX-SLI is way faster than the 5970. So I win right?

I did say SLI didn't I? Oh well let's just use PhysX benchmarks.

I admit I did get a bit over zealous. Might be why I never took the bet.

Then again look how many people were wrong here.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2061079

Que sera, sera.

Yeah, too many people were too optimistic. The majority of votes fall in the 5-10% and 10-15% brackets and hey, that's exactly what happened. Funny how that worked out.

Give it up, go to nvnews or somewhere else where they are as out of it as you are.

Seriously, amen.

 

[1h4x4s3x]

Another Focus Member?

 

[Dark4ng3l]

Another Focus Member?

Who knows maybe they are all the same guy.

All kidding aside at least wreckage gets nothing from dear leader in exchange for his support unlike some people who claim to be unbiased but they are both stuck in the big green marketing machine.

As I have said many times the marketing BS is strong with this product. Look for the focus group marketeers to try and sell CUDA to every bloke looking for a card to play L4D2.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I couldn't see the results as I didn't vote. Seen zero reason to vote on a none issue.

 

[buckshot24]

The 480GTX-SLI is way faster than the 5970. So I win right?

I did say SLI didn't I? Oh well let's just use PhysX benchmarks.

I admit I did get a bit over zealous. Might be why I never took the bet.

Then again look how many people were wrong here.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2061079

Que sera, sera.

:awe:

You predicted over 30% faster!

 

[SunnyD]

I agree with the OP. Nothing would have impressed the ATI fans here.

Oh well. It was never meant for you.

It is faster, it does offer more features and it will only get better with newer drivers, features, revisions, etc.

For example Metro 2033 with full Physx and CUDA water effects. Awesome!

Yeah it is hot and loud. That did not stop people here buying the 4870/4890 instead of a faster card. Whatever.

Did you all miss me that much? My vacation was over a long time ago, but you always save the best for last.

Quite the contrary. Nvidia releasing the GTX480 at a price point competitive with a 5870 would have earned praise at least from me. Unfortunately, as usual, incremental performance increases for exponential price increases just don't do it for me.

And my 4890 was neither hot nor loud, at least not on a GTX480 level. Nor was it crippled and below intended spec at launch either.

I would have loved to see Nvidia compete this time around. It's a shame really, since it means ATI's pricing will continue to stay high.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

It's the Riva TNT all over again!

 

[akugami]

I'm surprised that no one has thrown a fit about the GTX 480 and GTX 470 paper launch. Some people mention, at every chance, whenever ATI/AMD does it. My own feeling is that as long as info is released a week or two ahead of retail availability, I'm ok with it. I just find the hypocrisy amusing.

And apparently if nVidia releases new features, it helps beat the pants off of ATI. If ATI has new features, these are glossed over as features that are under utilized or not relevant.

Double Standards FTW!

 

[toyota]

I'm surprised that no one has thrown a fit about the GTX 480 and GTX 470 paper launch. Some people mention, at every chance, whenever ATI/AMD does it. My own feeling is that as long as info is released a week or two ahead of retail availability, I'm ok with it. I just find the hypocrisy amusing.

And apparently if nVidia releases new features, it helps beat the pants off of ATI. If ATI has new features, these are glossed over as features that are under utilized or not relevant.

Double Standards FTW!

no one cares its a paper launch because no one really wants to buy it anyway.

 

[1h4x4s3x]

Yep, the paper launch is their smallest problem.

 

[Executor_]

I agree with the OP. Nothing would have impressed the ATI fans here.

Oh well. It was never meant for you.

It is faster, it does offer more features and it will only get better with newer drivers, features, revisions, etc.

For example Metro 2033 with full Physx and CUDA water effects. Awesome!

Yeah it is hot and loud. That did not stop people here buying the 4870/4890 instead of a faster card. Whatever.

Metro 2033 seems badly optimized and is barely playable as is. Batman: Arkham Asylum takes a 47% FPS hit from turning on PhysX. You do the same on Metro and you'll probably have to be playing at 1280x1024 to get acceptable frame rates.

The 4870 and 4890 might've been loud, but they were dirt cheap. If nVidia halved the price of the GTX 480, I'd consider it a great card too.