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What gun do you carry for your protection?

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nick1985 said:
I live in Illinois. My right to bear arms is denied
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sourceninja said:
It's a slipper slope.

First I say "I would rather carry a gun and have it then need it and not have it."
Then it's "I would rather carry a backup mag then need it and not have it"
Then it's "I would rather carry a backup gun then need it and not have it"
Then it's "I would rather carry a backup mag for my backup gun then need it and not have it"

How much security is enough? I'm happy with my choice.
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I agree with that kind of a statement which is why I like going places with my gun carrying friends.
 
alkemyst said:
wow....so not only over carry, but do so with your own 'gang'?
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I had a student once ask me how my martial art training would help me deal with more than one opponent. I told him the best part about martial art training is you get to be friends with a lot of martial artists. I was of course joking at the time, but if I just took the whole class with me everyone we could win on numbers alone 😛
 
Well if you are up there like black belt level, hell even two belts away...you should be able to handle 2 guys providing you have the strength to back up your techniques.

3 it always gets hard for 1 guy.

I first trained my muscles, then my body (martial arts), while I don't own guns myself I am regularly out shooting.
 
I have no idea. I train for sport. Never had a desire to have a hand to hand fight with more than one guy. That's why I carry a gun.
 
alkemyst said:
Well if you are up there like black belt level, hell even two belts away...you should be able to handle 2 guys providing you have the strength to back up your techniques.

3 it always gets hard for 1 guy.

I first trained my muscles, then my body (martial arts), while I don't own guns myself I am regularly out shooting.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anEuw8F8cpE

Edit: I do agree in the sense that if you're 300lbs, carrying a gun is not really good enough to take care of yourself.
 
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deadlyapp said:
While it is unlikely that any of us will ever find ourselves in a situation similar to VT or any other mass shooting - The possibility of it happening makes it an easy trade off for me to put a few more ounces on my belt and carry a couple extra mags. I'm not trading anything off in order to do it, so why not.
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Exactly. I don't carry currently (not a firearm at least), but most likely will in the future when I can put the time and money into proper training and a firearm/equipment that I like. I don't go places and expect for anything to happen, and go hoping nothing ever does happen. So far I've been lucky and haven't had anything bad happen. Unfortunately humans are irrational and impulsive by nature. You never know when somebody just has a bad day and decides to take it out on others. From Discovery channel, to VT, to Fort Hood, to that beer distributor, to many other situations where a person has (or attempted to) kill others. While I always would prefer to stay out of these situations, there might be a time where the situation is out of my control and deadly force is required to save my own life and maybe others. Personally, I would prefer to be prepared for something expecting and hoping for it to never happen.

One of my good friends is what people would qualify as a "gun nut." He is into guns and loves just about everything about them (actually I can't think of anything he doesn't like about them). About 2 years ago I was going up with my gf and him to the IX Center in Cleveland for their annual Food and Wine show hosted by Food Network. For those who don't know the IX Center or Cleveland, the IX Center is basically a massive empty building that they have shows and conventions in (almost like an empty airplane hanger in size). It is located basically right by, and might even be on, Cleveland Hopkins Airport property. When we get there he asks, "should I bring my CCW?"

I fully support the right to carry concealed, and actively carrying when it makes sense. A situation like this does not make any sense though as 1) the venue would most likely not allow conceal carry, 2) there are going to be armed police there able to protect people, and 3) would have to leave the firearm in the car (due to #1) and I'd be more worried about a car breakin than a shooting in the building. Having a CCW is prudent, but I don't believe you should feel the need to carry everywhere. I'd like to be able to carry to work and college, but I don't see a need to carry to a concert or other venue where there are multiple armed police on duty for example. That is a situation where you should not engage, and should retreat to allow the police who are stationed there do their job without having to try to determine who is a "good guy" and who isn't.
 
biostud said:
have anyone actually pulled their gun in self-defense?
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ive pulled mine in self defense a couple times over the past 20 years. the last time was at a job site in a very remote, apparently bad part of town. i keep it in my truck while im working, and i work no farther than 20 ft from my truck. it took me a few minutes to realize i had 5 people closing in on me, but when i noticed it, i stepped out of my truck to see two guys duck behind an enclosure behind my truck i was working in. thats when i reached in, took out my 9mm and asked them what was up. they did back off, and i got in my truck and left. called the cops and went back with them, IDed 3 of the guys that were still standing in a front yard across the street and had them arrested.

do i feel the need to show that i carry a weapon at all times? nope. was i glad i had one available that day? hell yes.

i carry a ruger P89 regularly, and usually in my truck. i do carry it concealed in the small of my back or in a shoulder holster on occasion, depends what im doing, where i am and who im with.
 
Kahr PM40, getting beaten in my own living room in middle class suburbia by a burglar I surprised convinced me to carry an equalizer.

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DisgruntledVirus said:
That is a situation where you should not engage, and should retreat to allow the police who are stationed there do their job without having to try to determine who is a "good guy" and who isn't.
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Even in a stadium, or other venue with police present, it's possible to find yourself alone in a bathroom or corridor with a bad guy. And then it's get stabbed or hand over your wallet... or shoot him. Certainly if the police are in a firefight, I wouldn't pull out my pistol and run up to them to join in.
 
Squisher said:
Kahr PM40, getting beaten in my own living room in middle class suburbia by a burglar I surprised convinced me to carry an equalizer.

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Works I guess if you are going to walk around your home strapped.

If I was at home though and had to carry, I'd get a full frame gun. I like the .40 though...I shoot 9, .45, .357, .357 sig, .380, .40...regularly. .40 is my favorite.

I love the way my brother's Sig P232 feels though...just doesn't feel like it'd take down me if I got hit. I can empty the whole clip as fast as I can shoot and still be pretty damn dead on though.

The .357 sig is neat in the fact that in the gun I use it puts out a big fireball. Pretty damn intimidating to many.

I'd still carry a backup of some Fox 5.3 OC Spray and a knife if I had to pack. I carry my 5.3 most places. If I was still in my 20's, early 30's I'd more than likely be able to handle it all hand to hand. If I were you and got beat up in my own home, I'd take 3 hours out of my week to hit a dojo 3 days at least a week. Many sensei's are very interested in your situation and will give you a different set of instruction than the bread and potato 'black belt' wanters.

I was in a Fred Villari system which for the most part is a pay and you get a black belt one day. Fred Villari had his compound in my neighborhood at the time, I was into sports and used to laugh at the whole idea and how some of their students were so soft and easy to fuck with (it was high school).

Their #3 guy lived in my parents town house community (I lived with them, I was like 17ish maybe 16). My mom talked to him one day about how now I was getting involved in gang situations...I had been shot at and in a couple fights I got out ok from...mostly about girls and nightclubs where I shouldn't have been anyway.

He approached me one day at the community pool and wanted me to stop by his 'dojo'. The first hour was a bit bullshit to me and he knew I was clowning around, once class was dismissed he told a couple of us to stay after class, I was one of them. The next hour was more than I ever expected. At first I thought I'd never be able to stop getting hit. He was now laughing at me.

Soon I'd know when a punch was going to hit me or not and how to move just enough to return fire immediately. Within just a year I went from really worrying if I was going to get hurt to worrying more if I was going to hurt someone else too much.

I really wish I kept up with it. I did it for a long time and then going away for college and financial concerns stopped it. We'd get a few guys that just came in for your type of reason. Some got jumped and those guys kept coming back. Some were heading to prison for white collar stuff for a long time and didn't want to end up dead. Some pissed off the wrong dude. etc.
 
alkemyst said:
Well if you are up there like black belt level, hell even two belts away...you should be able to handle 2 guys providing you have the strength to back up your techniques.

3 it always gets hard for 1 guy.

I first trained my muscles, then my body (martial arts), while I don't own guns myself I am regularly out shooting.
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What if it's 2 guys with guns pointing them at you? It's going to look something like that guy from Indiana jones with the sword..
 
alkemyst said:
up close though a knife is usually much better than a gun. Many trained fighters can keep from getting shot up close, but almost all take a hit with a blade if the user knows what they are doing.
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Guns require very little skill and much, much less "nerve" to use than a knife. If you've never stabbed anyone, you're probably not mentally prepared to do so.
 
HybridSquirrel said:
What if it's 2 guys with guns pointing them at you? It's going to look something like that guy from Indiana jones with the sword..
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And I somehow missed them approaching me. What do 2 guys with guns want with me while pointing them at me in a public location? They looking to do at least 10 years in jail?

Do you even go out?
 
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