What gun do you carry for your protection?

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Zebo

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Krav Maga works great when they're within arms reach, as you twist out of the bullet's flight path before they can pull the trigger while simultaneously grabbing the gun before they can adjust.

However, it only works if:
1. They're withing arms length, which is assuming they're stupid.
2. You have both hands free.
3. You've trained so hard it's all reflex.

Anything else and yeah, you're fucked. Even if you're carrying the best you can hope for is that there's some cover within a foot or two you can dash behind so you can draw. This is where situational awareness comes in.
No they're fucked even if they are touching you. You can put hand on wrist holding gun if you sign a waiver:p

If you feeling really stupid sometime.... put a man size target out in front of you. Have friend stand to your side try and slap hand away from target before you can hit target. He never will.

This is out of peripheral vison even.

I recommend a BB pistol.
 
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StinkyPinky

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Yet another binary person who doesn't understand need to vs being prepared to.

The odds, in my case, or needing to use my CCW are extremely low, but they happen nonetheless. Unless you live in a police state enclave, there is no such thing as a crime free zone.

You're most likely to have that gun used against you, your family, or just get stolen before you ever use your weapon effectively

Walking around packing a gun is just asking for it.

I remember one time I left a movie at about 11pm and was snuck up on in a carpark and had a knife against me before I even knew what the fuck was happening. They frisked me and everything. If I had a gun they would have taken that as well, and probably antagonized them at the same time.

Seriously, even if you have fore warning...what would you do? Pull a gun on three or four guys who may or may not be muggers? Yeah right. You're more at risk trying to be rambo than just letting them take your shit.
 

irishScott

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No they're fucked even if they are touching you. You can put hand on wrist holding gun if you sign a waiver:p

You've got it wrong.

Having actually trained in these moves (although I'm so rusty now I certainly wouldn't rely on them), you don't go for the wrist at first. You grab the barrel with one hand while twisting, so that you twist in one direction while pushing the gun in the other. This effectively gets you out of the flight path of the bullet, although the gun may go off so you better have a tight grip on the barrel and be prepared for some pain in that region.

Granted you have to be extremely well trained to do it right under stress, but if you're good it can be quite effective.

The wrist grab is the second part of equation, and its function is to provide a base to leverage the gun out of the guy's hand after you've grabbed the barrel and moved safely out of the bullet's flight path. And even that may or may not happen at first, as you may kick the guy in the balls, punch him in the face, whatever after the gun's no longer pointing at you; then disarm him.

Yeah, grabbing the wrist of the hand pointing the gun at you while still in its flight path is suicide.
 

GoofyGoofT

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gun practice is a bit expensive IMHO, why not move outside that to a better place?

I traveled alot to Mesa/Phoenix about 3-4years ago and 5-6 years prior.


I was putting myself through college so I did not have a lot to spring for a place to live too. I also wanted to come out of college in the least amount of debt I could. I still live here until this lease is up but to tell the truth I don't get scared here anymore because I have seen mostly Mex on Mex crime and only a little Mex/Brown crime on White.

But then again I carry everywhere I go just to be safe, cause confidence won't protect you. haha
 

irishScott

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You're most likely to have that gun used against you, your family, or just get stolen before you ever use your weapon effectively

Walking around packing a gun is just asking for it.

I remember one time I left a movie at about 11pm and was snuck up on in a carpark and had a knife against me before I even knew what the fuck was happening. They frisked me and everything. If I had a gun they would have taken that as well, and probably antagonized them at the same time.

Seriously, even if you have fore warning...what would you do? Pull a gun on three or four guys who may or may not be muggers? Yeah right. You're more at risk trying to be rambo than just letting them take your shit.

No, having no situational awareness, like you apparently did in the parking garage, is asking for it. I've been in 4 situations where I saw it coming and would have had more than enough time to draw had I been carrying at the time and was afraid for my life. Rest assured in all 4 I would have definitely had my hand on my CCW.

And yes, if 4 guys acted aggressively towards me I would make the gun visible as a deterrent. Wouldn't point, wouldn't be guilty of brandishing or reckless endangerment, but most muggers are looking for an easy target. Just the knowledge that you're armed or might be armed is usually enough.
 
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Zebo

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You've got it wrong.

Having actually trained in these moves (although I'm so rusty now I certainly wouldn't rely on them), you don't go for the wrist at first. You grab the barrel with one hand while twisting, so that you twist in one direction while pushing the gun in the other. This effectively gets you out of the flight path of the bullet, although the gun may go off so you better have a tight grip on the barrel and be prepared for some pain in that region.

Granted you have to be extremely well trained to do it right under stress, but if you're good it can be quite effective.

The wrist grab is the second part of equation, and its function is to provide a base to leverage the gun out of the guy's hand after you've grabbed the barrel and moved safely out of the bullet's flight path. And even that may or may not happen at first, as you may kick the guy in the balls, punch him in the face, whatever after the gun's no longer pointing at you; then disarm him.

Yeah, grabbing the wrist of the hand pointing the gun at you while still in its flight path is suicide.
I have to see that movie. What was it called? I don't think yall understand just how fast a finger moves.
 
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HybridSquirrel

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Dam that was cool.
now I have to watch this movie.

Collateral is a great movie, and that technique (I can't remember the name) is actually really easy to do with practice and a good holster. You don't even need to practice with live ammo at self defense distance.
 

alkemyst

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Exactly. Besides, he's never been robbed at gunpoint, and thats what i'm arguing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCA2ZNDa-hQ

this is much more efficient than 'stabbing the fuck out of someone'

IRT Jamie Foxx
Again that person is not 7'+ away nor across the street. It's a movie by the way as well.

how is a gun going to help the guy in question at this point though?

You end up stupid and let a dude get close enough to you like that, then all bets are off.

IRT to the bad guy at the end
This sort of proves my point that if the guy was going to shoot you, he'd have done so most of the time.

if you get right up on them with their gun already out, it's just about staying out of the line of fire...it's not that hard to do (not saying it's easy).

However, armed with a knife you can almost definitely cut anyone pretty damn bad.

I can guarantee you tear a hole in some dude just looking for your wallet, he's not going to keep trying for it.
 
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alkemyst

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I was putting myself through college so I did not have a lot to spring for a place to live too. I also wanted to come out of college in the least amount of debt I could. I still live here until this lease is up but to tell the truth I don't get scared here anymore because I have seen mostly Mex on Mex crime and only a little Mex/Brown crime on White.

But then again I carry everywhere I go just to be safe, cause confidence won't protect you. haha

Right and buying a gun and practicing with .40 cal at least is probably going to cost about $200/month or so. For $200/month that's probably an upgrade or two to your living arrangement.

I'd have found a campus martial arts club and joined that too esp if I got served in my own house.
 

nick1985

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200 dollars would buy 700-800 rounds of .40

No way does someone need to shoot that much in 1 month.
 

shortylickens

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200 dollars would buy 700-800 rounds of .40

No way does someone need to shoot that much in 1 month.

He didnt say the ammo would be 200 a month, he was talking about total cost. When you add in range time it can get expensive. Either membership or pay by the hour.
 

alkemyst

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He didnt say the ammo would be 200 a month, he was talking about total cost. When you add in range time it can get expensive. Either membership or pay by the hour.

QFT...here our ranges don't give you the luxury of bringing your own ammo. They are fair priced. You also have to buy their targets and rent the lane.

It's an easy $200 a month if you are doing much shooting each weekend.
 

HybridSquirrel

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IRT Jamie Foxx
Again that person is not 7'+ away nor across the street. It's a movie by the way as well.

the technique he uses to draw and fire 3 shots at multiple targets is a technique that anyone with a ccw should train to practice, and that many people have. it proves my point that having a firearm you would be much better off in that situation than trying to stab the fuck out of him.
 

nick1985

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o.0 thats ridiculous...if only i needed more jhps =[

edit: 9 dollars shipping brings it to 25 a box....i can get it at the gunshop for 26 a box.

Makes it wayyy worth it if you buy several boxes. Myself and a few buddies each got a few boxes and combined shipping.
 

alkemyst

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the technique he uses to draw and fire 3 shots at multiple targets is a technique that anyone with a ccw should train to practice, and that many people have. it proves my point that having a firearm you would be much better off in that situation than trying to stab the fuck out of him.

He took another's firearm from him it appears.

Jamie Foxx firearm or not was fucked.

I don't totally agree with 3 shots...now you are getting way beyond simple self-defense.

If you have "pros" on a manhunt for you, then perhaps.
 
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He took another's firearm from him it appears.

Jamie Foxx firearm or not was fucked.

I don't totally agree with 3 shots...now you are getting way beyond simple self-defense.

If you have "pros" on a manhunt for you, then perhaps.

Uh, in that situation 3 shots is completely reasonable. Especially for an average civilian (i.e. not current/ex police or military).
 

hanoverphist

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Exactly.

I do live off the Guadalupe in AZ so "gang" or what I call group is better to travel with.

lol i go through the guad every day, i like that place. the area around it is getting back to bad again tho lately, but not that bad. back in the 80s a white person couldnt walk through there after dark.
 

irishScott

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He took another's firearm from him it appears.

Jamie Foxx firearm or not was fucked.

I don't totally agree with 3 shots...now you are getting way beyond simple self-defense.

If you have "pros" on a manhunt for you, then perhaps.

So you're saying that 3 shots is overkill? If so, lol. If I'm shooting someone my intent is to kill them, and I'll shoot until they're dead.
 

Nebor

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You're most likely to have that gun used against you, your family, or just get stolen before you ever use your weapon effectively

Walking around packing a gun is just asking for it.

I remember one time I left a movie at about 11pm and was snuck up on in a carpark and had a knife against me before I even knew what the fuck was happening. They frisked me and everything. If I had a gun they would have taken that as well, and probably antagonized them at the same time.

Seriously, even if you have fore warning...what would you do? Pull a gun on three or four guys who may or may not be muggers? Yeah right. You're more at risk trying to be rambo than just letting them take your shit.

It's not often you hear from someone that's been a victim of violent crime and advocates that being a helpless victim is the best course of action in the future.

First of all you don't just let guys walk up on you at night (any time really.) I assume that anyone crossing within 20 feet of me at night without their intentions being obvious is up to no good. That's the point where the gun comes out. Low and against my thigh. Not illegal in most states, not brandishing or menacing. I can't even accurately recall how many times I've done this. Then a verbal challenge, "What's up man?" Every time, every person that I've encountered like this has decided that whatever they needed wasn't that important.

Second, even if you're already at point blank, you're better off fighting than standing there hoping things work out for you. Create space, draw and fire. Don't be afraid to strike the dangly parts while creating space.
 

Nebor

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So you're saying that 3 shots is overkill? If so, lol. If I'm shooting someone my intent is to kill them, and I'll shoot until they're dead.

Alkemyst doesn't even own firearms. It's become pretty obvious that he has no idea what he's talking about. He's a kung fu master, not a firearms expert.