Discussion What do you think of this Police encounter?

[Zorba]

Listen to the video and take the... out your ears everyone else can hear "felony stop " of course they fired them. They are worried morons will start riots because people can't follow orders from the police .. which actually you have to do even if you have not committed a crime. Show me a law stating you don't have to comply if you didn't break a law lulz get real!! Ya I know already I'm not allowed to have a opinion it's the same in every thread all the goons come out to yell and insult insisting its racist actions when in fact it had nothing to do with race. Thanks for proving my points so easily. You can listen again then say oops jedi had hate stuck in his ears so couldn't hear felony stop

What was the felony again? Oh, there wasn't one? So they also violated law and procedure doing an improper stop.

 

[Zorba]

Police officers generally don't make a lot for salary, their benefits are good but the pay isn't great for the general hazard level of the profession. It isn't the deadliest job, but it isn't "safe" either.

Would you be opposed to police officers requiring college degrees and better training and certifications? Perhaps more thorough psych and personality testing/profiling before they can be hired?

He's not going to answer, at least not directly. He'll tie in how much money he makes as if it's somehow relevant, demand to compare epeens, and then lie some more about the story.

He isn't interested in honest discussion.

I'd be willing to bet every job that is more dangerous than police is paid less with much worse benefits. I'm all for holding them to higher standards and paying accordingly, but see no need to throw even more money at the problem with the status quo.

 

[Zorba]

Wouldn't a rational person think that once he saw the uniform and butter bars that he would not be such a total asswipe?

I bet that set him off more, to see a black man as a real solder, an officer no less, as opposed to just playing pretend soldier when he gets to raid a house for weed.

 

[Pohemi]

I'd be willing to bet every job that is more dangerous than police is paid less with much worse benefits. I'm all for holding them to higher standards and paying accordingly, but see no need to throw even more money at the problem with the status quo.

Off the top of my head, oilrig/pipeline worker, and crab fisherman. Neither are exactly stable career positions, but in a year they can make as much as an avg LEO does in several years of salary. Cops aren't making Wal-Mart wages, but they're not pulling in 100's of thousands a year, either.

 

[ewdotson]

Wouldn't a rational person think that once he saw the uniform and butter bars that he would not be such a total asswipe?

When I served pre-9/11, the common - albeit completely anecdotal - wisdom was that we had to be careful because cops *loved* to stick it to sailors to prove that we weren't better or more important than they were. My understanding is 9/11 did change that, but it wouldn't shock me if enough time has passed that some of that has crept back in.

 

[Zorba]

Off the top of my head, oilrig/pipeline worker, and crab fisherman. Neither are exactly stable career positions, but in a year they can make as much as an avg LEO does in several years of salary. Cops aren't making Wal-Mart wages, but they're not pulling in 100's of thousands a year, either.

I'm willing to bet most fishermen have basically no benefits. Oil rig workers have extremely unstable jobs, and I promise none of them get a full pension in 20 years.

I've also been offered an oil rig management job, and know many that have done it. Experienced cops make more, even before benefits.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Cops aren't making Wal-Mart wages, but they're not pulling in 100's of thousands a year, either.

LAPD starts at $71K while in the academy:

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Sgts can go into the $130K range and they're not the highest paying agency.

 

[ewdotson]

It varies wildly depending on area, but overtime can be a significant contributor to police officers' salaries as well.

 

[Pohemi]

L.A., San Fran, Chicago, and NYC are going to likely be some of the highest starting pay for LEOs in the US. I'm not saying we should double their pay, but if we expect higher standards, higher education and training from them to qualify, we need to properly incentivize the job or nobody will want to do it.

 

[Steltek]

Holy fucking shit, please tell me the cop is in general population for attempted murder. If not I hope he gets ran over with a stream roller. Beyond the innocent guy he shot how many other people did he put in harm's way with his completely careless shooting.

That whole thing started as a traffic stop because the guy he shot was wasn't wearing a seat belt.

The state trooper who shot him, Sean Groubert, plead guilty to felony "assault and battery of a high and aggravated nature". Judge sentenced him to 12 years incarcaration, suspended 5 years of the sentence, and gave him credit for 17 months time served. So, he ended up having to serve 5 years and a few months actual total prison time for trying to kill somebody who was just doing what he was ordered to do.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Police officers generally don't make a lot for salary, their benefits are good but the pay isn't great for the general hazard level of the profession. It isn't the deadliest job, but it isn't "safe" either.

Would you be opposed to police officers requiring college degrees and better training and certifications? Perhaps more thorough psych and personality testing/profiling before they can be hired?

He's not going to answer, at least not directly. He'll tie in how much money he makes as if it's somehow relevant, demand to compare epeens, and then lie some more about the story.

He isn't interested in honest discussion.

That is what racists do.....

 

[JEDIYoda]

L.A., San Fran, Chicago, and NYC are going to likely be some of the highest starting pay for LEOs in the US. I'm not saying we should double their pay, but if we expect higher standards, higher education and training from them to qualify, we need to properly incentivize the job or nobody will want to do it.

The job is already highly incentivized.... most cops in larger cites clear easilyt $150,000 a year with over time and that doesn`t even include their very good medical benefits....

 

[Pohemi]

The job is already highly incentivized.... most cops in larger cites clear easilyt $150,000 a year with over time and that doesn`t even include their very good medical benefits....

You obviously didn't read the discussion just preceding this, huh? lol...yeah, I'm aware, as someone just pointed out in the city of L.A.

 

[MtnMan]

It proves that many who choose law enforcement for a career are hardcore racist. The fact that riots occur every time a cop shoots a black man, and the cops get fired and criminally charged does not register in their mind. Their racist views simply overwhelm reality. It also shows they are fucking cowards. The presence of a black man scares them fucking senseless.

This is not to paint all LEOs with this brush, but at best it describes 10%+ of cops on the street, which taints them all. They need to overcome the unspoken tradition of supporting these unfit people in their profession.

 

[MtnMan]

The job is already highly incentivized.... most cops in larger cites clear easilyt $150,000 a year with over time and that doesn`t even include their very good medical benefits....

The vast majority of small city/town copy don't even earn a living wage. That's why they work so much overtime, and work events, Walmart, shopping centers, etc., so they can pay their bills. Many have starting pay around 35K a year.

 

[ewdotson]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1381395949545734145

This is hilarious. Not only is this Newsmax moron suddenly Very Concerned about gun safety, but ... the police report on the incident notes that Lt Nazario had a valid concealed handgun permit. He was in full compliance with the law.

I'm starting to suspect that these right-wing media-types may not be operating *entirely* in good faith.

 

[brycejones]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1381395949545734145

This is hilarious. Not only is this Newsmax moron suddenly Very Concerned about gun safety, but ... the police report on the incident notes that Lt Nazario had a valid concealed handgun permit. He was in full compliance with the law.

I'm starting to suspect that these right-wing media-types may not be operating *entirely* in good faith.

I hope someone takes on the libel case.

 

[mect]

yea i know police in real life and they are regular people, they are not all assholes, and guess what many of their co-workers have been shot / stabbed on duty and it IS actually a very dangerous job, especially when people dont comply with orders and escalate the situations.

I know police in real life as well, and the majority of them are authoritarian assholes. But, even authoritarian assholes should feel safe while performing their jobs. So I'm sure you'll agree the best path forward to assure the safety of our police officers as well as the safety of the general public is to repeal the 2nd amendment and get guns out of the hands of private citizens. Then police wouldn't need to fear for their lives while conducting a simple traffic stop.

 

[MtnMan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1381395949545734145

This is hilarious. Not only is this Newsmax moron suddenly Very Concerned about gun safety, but ... the police report on the incident notes that Lt Nazario had a valid concealed handgun permit. He was in full compliance with the law.

I'm starting to suspect that these right-wing media-types may not be operating *entirely* in good faith.

I have a concealed carry permit, and I almost always carry. The exception is when we are going out drinking at local breweries.

I've had two interactions with cops while armed. One a minor traffic accident, the other at a road block (they were running this to try and disease motorcyclists on crotch rockets that like to run a curvy mountain road).

State law requires I advise any LEO during any official encounter that I am armed, which I follow. The first time during the accident he asked "where is it" and I told him, my right hip. Likely because I was out of the vehicle, and it wasn't clear if it was on my person, or still in the truck. The second, which was basically a driver's license check, I advised, and he said mmm-ok, and walked to the back of the vehicle to make sure the tag was vadid (in date).

In both cases when I handed the officer my driver's license, with my concealed carry permit, they both immediately handed the permit back saying "I don't need that".

I'm white. Your mileage may vary depending on your skin color, and that is fucked up.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Fuck that, cops are already the most over paid, over benefitted group of government employees outside of coaches.

They don't suck at their job because of shitty, they suck at their jobs because they have no accountability.

Sorry but I have to disagree with being over paid, over benefitted.

Here’s How Much Money Police Officers Earn In Every State

Find out where police officers in the earn most money in the U.S., and where their wages are lacking.

www.forbes.com

The job is already highly incentivized.... most cops in larger cites clear easilyt $150,000 a year with over time and that doesn`t even include their very good medical benefits....

Bullshit! See above link. If you have to include over time to pad the numbers to fit the argument that they make a lot of money, than you lost the argument before you even look at the link I supplied. (take note that their salaries are directly linked to cost of living)

 

[Mai72]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1381395949545734145

This is hilarious. Not only is this Newsmax moron suddenly Very Concerned about gun safety, but ... the police report on the incident notes that Lt Nazario had a valid concealed handgun permit. He was in full compliance with the law.

I'm starting to suspect that these right-wing media-types may not be operating *entirely* in good faith.

What they are trying to do is deflect from what took place, to "he had a gun!" And, of course the people who watch Newsmax or FoxNews won't critically think and look at other sources. They'll immediatley convict Nazario and because he's black he doesn't stand a chance.

I thought Newsmax and Republican were for freedom of firearms? Which is it? Or, maybe it's only for certain "privalged" people who live in America?

 

[Mai72]

Sorry but I have to disagree with being over paid, over benefitted.

Here’s How Much Money Police Officers Earn In Every State

Find out where police officers in the earn most money in the U.S., and where their wages are lacking.

www.forbes.com

That depends on where you work at? In Philly? You couldn't pay me enough to patrol those streets. They can be very dangerous. But, in South Jersey? Our streets are very safe, and most of the action happens only in the summer. Arresting college kids who drink too much, or handing out speeding tickets. Our police start with a lower than average starting salaries but can easily make (with overtime) 6 figures. If you have ambition and want to strive to be a police chief you can easily make $120-140k a year. That would be towards the end of your career. The benefits are very very good, and the one thing you're forgetting is their pension. Police, and fire fighters are under the industralized pension system which means a pension for life at 55 normally. If you complete 30 years of service, you can also recieve health benefits for life. How many careers still offer this? Hardly any, unless you spend your career working at the state or federal level. Pensions are bankrupting states so this may or may not change. That's a whole other topic.

 

[NWRMidnight]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1381395949545734145

This is hilarious. Not only is this Newsmax moron suddenly Very Concerned about gun safety, but ... the police report on the incident notes that Lt Nazario had a valid concealed handgun permit. He was in full compliance with the law.

I'm starting to suspect that these right-wing media-types may not be operating *entirely* in good faith.

Lets run with that tweet: I want all the boot lickers who believe this is even an issue to answer the following:

When did the conversation, or question come up that allowed the officers to know that there was a loaded gun in the vehicle making it relevant?

 

[NWRMidnight]

That depends on where you work at? In Philly? You couldn't pay me enough to patrol those streets. They can be very dangerous. But, in South Jersey? Our streets are very safe, and most of the action happens only in the summer. Arresting college kids who drink too much, or handing out speeding tickets. Our police start with a lower than average starting salaries but can easily make (with overtime) 6 figures. If you have ambition and want to strive to be a police chief you can easily make $120-140k a year. That would be towards the end of your career. The benefits are very very good, and the one thing you're forgetting is their pension. Police, and fire fighters are under the industralized pension system which means a pension for life at 55 normally. If you complete 30 years of service, you can also recieve health benefits for life. How many careers still offer this? Hardly any, unless you spend your career working at the state or federal level. Pensions are bankrupting states so this may or may not change. That's a whole other topic.

I take it you didn't really look at the article I linked. As I also told JediYoda: If you have to include over time to pad the numbers, you already lost the argument. You are also using a police chief as an example of $120k to $140k a year, one of the highest paid positions. That's like comparing a CEO's wages to the standard employees wages.. LOL! AS for the pension: are you trying to say that if a police officer survives their career, they shouldn't have a nice pension? get out of here.

If you read the article, you will notice it states that salaries are heavily dependent on cost of living, so the majority of the states that have a higher salary for police officers is because of the cost of living being much higher, not because of the dangers of the job.

 

[skyking]

Driver of said vehicle received what was coming for his stupidity. Driving a stereo typical vehicle and not having the common sense to proactively coddle the officer.

You cannot expect a police officer to be reasonable and calm, you need to be proactive to make said police officer comfortable in a traffic stop. Cops are not selected for their IQ, in fact sometimes it is the opposite*. If you fit a stereotype, you need to either flip the script** (get out of the stereotype) or be very proactive at making said officer comfy.


Leeea's life tip of the day:
If the officer cannot see in your vehicle, 9 out of 10 they are going to be extremely jumpy with the gun. If you drop into a stereotype, the gun is coming out.


life tip:
Roll down all of your windows as soon as you are pulled over. Back and front. Every window in the car you can roll down. Gives the officer good sight lines and a tells him your being considerate of his fear / job related stress. Do not be digging in the glove compartment when the officer walks up, even if you cannot find your documents put your hands on the wheel in the 10 & 2 position like they taught in drivers ed.

Remember, a police officer is a scared man with a gun and permission to use it. Never forget that. It is not about being right, it is about surviving the most dangerous encounter of your life.


*https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836
** considering this is life and death, flipping the script is almost mandatory. Get ahead of the problem and make your vehicle look like it is owned*** by a white person. When the officer finally sees you, you want him to be surprised it is not a white person. You need to knock him off his script before he goes down that well worn grove.

***you know those stupid stick figure stickers showing a "cute" family on the back? Yea, those. Also, bumper stickers. In the army? get one of those. Have a kid in school? Get a school team sticker at one of their events. The CoExist sticker is also great, frequently used by anti-gun pacifists. Perfect for making the officer feel safe. It is not about looking good, it is about survival.

I'm pretty sure this all falls on the dealership. They knew they were sending the buyer out into a dangerous world without any of those necessary, nay, lifesaving stickers.