I believe cooks don't get paid $2-3 an hour, along with you have no real personal interaction with them, so it's not as sensical to tip them I suppose. They're not really doing anything special for you, they're making "a" meal for "a" person, nothing individualized generally. So for those reasons, it doesn't make as much sense to me to tip the cook versus the waiter that does all the leg work to keep you happy.
I believe cooks don't get paid $2-3 an hour, along with you have no real personal interaction with them, so it's not as sensical to tip them I suppose. They're not really doing anything special for you, they're making "a" meal for "a" person, nothing individualized generally. So for those reasons, it doesn't make as much sense to me to tip the cook versus the waiter that does all the leg work to keep you happy.
So basically Nik knows it's expected that he tip certain people (delivery guys and waiters, won't get into cable guy, plumber, dentist, surgeon, carnie, school teacher, etc.. debate) at least a small amount, and yet he choses not to. He is instead choosing to take advantage of an understood practice that allows the food price to be fixed while the service price is decided by the customer to steal service. He does not adjust the price he pays for food acordingly, he takes advantage of the understanding between restaurants and customers to get cheaper food. He is allowing every other customer to susidize his meal price.
Way to go, Nik. You're not even trying to debate what a standard tip percentage is; I could at least respect that position. You're not paying extra for the meal to cover the cost since you know you're not tipping, you're not getting your own drinks and taking your own plates to the kitchen sink, you're not telling the waiter/waitress that you won't be tipping, you're taking advantage of a common law payment system to get a cheaper meal. That person took that job with the understanding that they are tipped for the service they provide. If you aren't going to tip, at least have the decency to tell the person before instead of walking out without paying for service. I mean come on, you aren't even trying to argue about what is decent service, what is a decent amount to tip, or who gets tipped (The "Does the cable guy/plumber/ tooth fairy get a tip" debate).
Basically, Nik, you understand that, at the least, waiters and waitresses get some sort of tip for their service and you choose to ignore it. You make no excuses about not tipping, you simply expect the rest of us, who choose to tip, to pay for a percentage of every meal you eat at a restaurant and to pay for part of every pizza you eat at home. I find it incredibly ironic that you claim that people who take a job with the understanding that tipping is expected hold a "fvcking lazy, ungreatful, stupid, self-destructive ideology" and yet you see noting wrong with taking advantage of that ideology to get a cheaper meal. Why can't you write letters, why cant you organize a march, a sit-in, or some other protest? Why is the only thing that you are doing, not tipping, the one thing that saves you money?
Quite frankly you're cheap and trying to avoid saying it. If you want to organize a march on D.C, if you want to write to your congressman, if you want to boycott, be my guest. However, if you choose to pay for food but not for the service that comes with it, if you choose to take advantageof the other customers who actually leave a tip to get a percentage off each meal, I hope that someone else gets annoyed at having to subsidize your meal and chooses to employ Aimster's preferred form of protest and puts a brick through your windshield.
Way to go, Nik. You're not even trying to debate what a standard tip percentage is; I could at least respect that position. You're not paying extra for the meal to cover the cost since you know you're not tipping, you're not getting your own drinks and taking your own plates to the kitchen sink, you're not telling the waiter/waitress that you won't be tipping, you're taking advantage of a common law payment system to get a cheaper meal. That person took that job with the understanding that they are tipped for the service they provide. If you aren't going to tip, at least have the decency to tell the person before instead of walking out without paying for service. I mean come on, you aren't even trying to argue about what is decent service, what is a decent amount to tip, or who gets tipped (The "Does the cable guy/plumber/ tooth fairy get a tip" debate).
Basically, Nik, you understand that, at the least, waiters and waitresses get some sort of tip for their service and you choose to ignore it. You make no excuses about not tipping, you simply expect the rest of us, who choose to tip, to pay for a percentage of every meal you eat at a restaurant and to pay for part of every pizza you eat at home. I find it incredibly ironic that you claim that people who take a job with the understanding that tipping is expected hold a "fvcking lazy, ungreatful, stupid, self-destructive ideology" and yet you see noting wrong with taking advantage of that ideology to get a cheaper meal. Why can't you write letters, why cant you organize a march, a sit-in, or some other protest? Why is the only thing that you are doing, not tipping, the one thing that saves you money?
Quite frankly you're cheap and trying to avoid saying it. If you want to organize a march on D.C, if you want to write to your congressman, if you want to boycott, be my guest. However, if you choose to pay for food but not for the service that comes with it, if you choose to take advantageof the other customers who actually leave a tip to get a percentage off each meal, I hope that someone else gets annoyed at having to subsidize your meal and chooses to employ Aimster's preferred form of protest and puts a brick through your windshield.
I usually do as you do 10-20% based on service. I know one place locally had a 20% tip built in I was like wtf as well but since my order was like $7 total I said what the hell and paid it. I don't like that system at all either.
I just read more of the threads, I agree if the service is really horrible I'd leave no tip. But I usually tip a minimum of 10%.
Nik some of your claims are bs you're just being a cheaparse...
I just read more of the threads, I agree if the service is really horrible I'd leave no tip. But I usually tip a minimum of 10%.
Nik some of your claims are bs you're just being a cheaparse...
alkemyst
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hmmm cooks are not paid like waiters/waitresses. They are paid at least standard minimum wage. In some restaurants, the staff does share all tips which I think is a bad system...make's it easy for slackers to do nothing and cash it on another's hard work.
also to other's paying 15% of your meal in a tip, especially if you are at a table 2 hours is hardly going to put a waiter through med school....
We're not even talking about "tips" anymore. You used to get a tip because you were performed excellent service, but now they are trying to tell us you get a tip because the manager cuts your paycheck.
alkemyst
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When was "used" to? It has always been a standard that if you are waited on, you tip that person. The exceptions were those that owned their business. Many places now in the 'service' biz say no to tipping, but pay their employees a little better (sometimes).
When you are served food by wait staff a tip is not about exceptional service, it's about being served. That is what the tip is for. Now the standard is 15%, you can adjust either way depending on if the service was non-average. A standard tip is for standard service.
If you cannot afford to tip, or do not wish too...take your food to go so I can have the table, you are obviously living beyond your means and trying to justify not tipping as if you are oppressed.
In countries where there is no tipping fir waitstaff, eating out is a lot more expensive.
I read the fvcking thread and I don't agree with your opinion or reasoning. The simple truth is you're just a cheap dickwad. If you don't like to tip go eat fast food or stay home.
Where did I say I don't like to tip? You obviously haven't read the thread if you think I don't like to tip.
If that were true, the half dozen or 8 states that don't allow employers to pay less than minimum wage in the food industry would be prohibitively expensive to eat out at. Again, this line of thinking is incorrect because it's obviously not.
MustangSVT
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Yeah, I was going to read further and reply again but what's the point? There's always going to be guys like this Prick, I mean Nik, in the world and no amount of reasoning is going to change them.
Originally posted by: MustangSVT
that's what he does, bitchin about everything. boohooo
Way to exaggerate. :thumbsup: Good job.
DainBramaged
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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: MustangSVT
that's what he does, bitchin about everything. boohooo
Way to exaggerate. :thumbsup: Good job.
Nik, is it true that you have a vagina? LordMaul said so and TheLonelyPhoenix said so too. Does that make it true?
MustangSVT
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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: MustangSVT
that's what he does, bitchin about everything. boohooo
Way to exaggerate. :thumbsup: Good job.
How about when you cry on forum issues?
Wow, you guys are exaggeration professionals. :thumbsup:
I wasn't aware that the state allowed more than just the food industry to pay below minimum wages :Q What other industries?
alkemyst
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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: MustangSVT
that's what he does, bitchin about everything. boohooo
Way to exaggerate. :thumbsup: Good job.
hmmm apparently you are the only one here that understands yourself, Nik. I am even 8 pints to the wind and understand the others point of view(s).
way to go boy! :thumbsup: Good job! :beer:
brigden
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Nik, let's say you're eating out at decent restaurant. There are seven other people in your party. Let's assume the service was good, as was the food. Let's also assume you get one bill for the entire party. Everyone is expected to pay for their share of the bill and a tip.
What would you do?
What would you do?
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