What do you think of restaurants who demand a tip?

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Nik

Then why do those half dozen to 10 states in the U.S. who pay normal wages still have food that's not prohibitively expensive, as you accuse Europe of being?

K I am game, let's now state those States. Since you know the stats too, how about stating the *median* dinner price and *median* wage there.

I bet it's a bit out of wack.

I (myself although you didn't reply to me) wasn't thinking of Europe, directly....

Holy Jesus! :Q I thought you died!

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Nik

Then why do those half dozen to 10 states in the U.S. who pay normal wages still have food that's not prohibitively expensive, as you accuse Europe of being?

K I am game, let's now state those States. Since you know the stats too, how about stating the *median* dinner price and *median* wage there.

I bet it's a bit out of wack.

I (myself although you didn't reply to me) wasn't thinking of Europe, directly....

Well, if you'd actually fvcking READ THE THREAD you would see that it's ALREADY BEEN FVCKING POSTED. :roll:

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: brigden
You're cheap, Nik. There is no argument around it.

In addition, no one, man or woman, should wear overalls, under any circumstances.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: brigden
You're cheap, Nik. There is no argument around it.

Actually, there's loads of it and it's posted throughout this thread.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: brigden

You aren't doing too well round these parts. You're easily the most disliked member on these forums.

Yay! I am #2 now!

 

[brigden]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: brigden
You're cheap, Nik. There is no argument around it.

Actually, there's loads of it and it's posted throughout this thread.

And it's a poor justification for being cheap. You've been exposed, son.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: brigden
You're cheap, Nik. There is no argument around it.

Actually, there's loads of it and it's posted throughout this thread.

And my refusal to read the thread is a poor justification for an excuse to rip on you. Your legitimate arguments have been ignored, son.

I agree.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: brigden

You aren't doing too well round these parts. You're easily the most disliked member on these forums.

Yay! I am #2 now!

You're actually way down the list. You dissappeared for so long, I'd wager that half the people here don't even know what an ass you are.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Nik

Actually, I'm making it so well in the professional world,, I can post an average of 24 times a day since 2000, thank you.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: brigden

You aren't doing too well round these parts. You're easily the most disliked member on these forums.

Yay! I am #2 now!

You're actually way down the list. You dissappeared for so long, I'd wager that half the people here don't even know what an ass you are.

:laugh:

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Nebor

You're actually way down the list. You dissappeared for so long, I'd wager that half the people here don't even know what an ass you are.

:laugh:

lovers?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Nebor

You're actually way down the list. You dissappeared for so long, I'd wager that half the people here don't even know what an ass you are.

:laugh:

lovers?

Nah, i'm sorry. I don't mean to perpetuate the insults, but it was just kinda funny. I don't even know you.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: chrisms
And whether you think the customer "should," or not, they do...

Maybe in their fvcked up world, but not in my world. Not in the real world.

No, your world in not the real world. You would never make it anywhere in the professional world(the real world) with your attitude. You pay for the food, you tip for the service.

Actually, I'm making it quite well in the professional world, thank you.

Must be somewhere low level in the computer/tech industry then.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: chrisms
And whether you think the customer "should," or not, they do...

Maybe in their fvcked up world, but not in my world. Not in the real world.

No, your world in not the real world. You would never make it anywhere in the professional world(the real world) with your attitude. You pay for the food, you tip for the service.

Actually, I'm making it quite well in the professional world, thank you.

Must be somewhere low level in the computer/tech industry then.

Actually, I work for a defense contractor.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MommysLittleMonster
Consider this scenario. You dine out at a fairly decent retuaraunt. Not a chain. The waiter smiles, is friendly. You get a hello. He doesnt mess up with the order. You notice the resturaunt is busy. You get a little hungry waiting for entrees. The waiter is exceptional when it comes to refilling your beverage with the exception of your glass remaining empty once for a few minutes. The bill comes to $70. How much would you tip?

Nothing. That's what I expect as standard service. That's THEIR JOB. If they want to go above and beyond their job, then I will consider tipping. Tell me, where in that scenario, did anyone go above and beyond their job requirements?

You are hopeless and cheap.. that mentality amazes me.

The food industry is WAY out of control. It's unlike any other industry in the world. Try these bullsh|t gestapo tactics in any other industry and you'll run out of customers VERY quickly.

Not really, the rest of the world(first world) has service charges added in to the cost of the food. As a result, dining out in say Europe, is quite a bit more than dining out in the US. Furthermore, waiters in other countries lack incentive for good customer service, and anything lower than high end dining in most of europe has substandard service.

Then why do those half dozen to 10 states in the U.S. who pay normal wages still have food that's not prohibitively expensive, as you accuse Europe of being?

Why? A little thing called franchise agreements, because we obviously arent talking fine or high end dining. Legal documents that dictate what the owners can do with their restuarant. And well guess, what they are uniform across franchises of said resturant. So theres really not much they can, do, but I can say they probably have

1. Less employees
2. Longer wait times
3. Longer service times

Oh and this whole notion that resturants make a killing on profit. They dont. The corporations that sell franchise licenses and agreements make tons of it, but the restuarants and their owners run on thin profit margins. Its why resturants routinely have "under new management" or close. An owner of a franchised restuarant needs three before he will start seeing a decent proft(return on investment). There are the exceptions, but its usually smaller lesser known franchise resturants.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: brigden
You're cheap, Nik. There is no argument around it.

In addition, no one, man or woman, should wear overalls, under any circumstances.

have you ever worked on a farm?

i have. owned them even. Overalls while ugly (would never go to anyplace but farm and fleet or Lowe's in them) are great for working on a farm.

Now that i own a house in town i do no use them. though i do have some "winter" ones. that are good when i have to go out and plow the snow or something.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: digitalsm
Why? A little thing called franchise agreements, because we obviously arent talking fine or high end dining. Legal documents that dictate what the owners can do with their restuarant. And well guess, what they are uniform across franchises of said resturant. So theres really not much they can, do, but I can say they probably have

1. Less employees
2. Longer wait times
3. Longer service times

< :beer:

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Nebor

You're actually way down the list. You dissappeared for so long, I'd wager that half the people here don't even know what an ass you are.

:laugh:

lovers?

We ain't buddies, we ain't partners and we damn sure ain't friends ....

I guess that only leaves lovers.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MommysLittleMonster
Consider this scenario. You dine out at a fairly decent retuaraunt. Not a chain. The waiter smiles, is friendly. You get a hello. He doesnt mess up with the order. You notice the resturaunt is busy. You get a little hungry waiting for entrees. The waiter is exceptional when it comes to refilling your beverage with the exception of your glass remaining empty once for a few minutes. The bill comes to $70. How much would you tip?

Nothing. That's what I expect as standard service. That's THEIR JOB. If they want to go above and beyond their job, then I will consider tipping. Tell me, where in that scenario, did anyone go above and beyond their job requirements?

You are hopeless and cheap.. that mentality amazes me.

The food industry is WAY out of control. It's unlike any other industry in the world. Try these bullsh|t gestapo tactics in any other industry and you'll run out of customers VERY quickly.

Not really, the rest of the world(first world) has service charges added in to the cost of the food. As a result, dining out in say Europe, is quite a bit more than dining out in the US. Furthermore, waiters in other countries lack incentive for good customer service, and anything lower than high end dining in most of europe has substandard service.

Then why do those half dozen to 10 states in the U.S. who pay normal wages still have food that's not prohibitively expensive, as you accuse Europe of being?

Why? A little thing called franchise agreements, because we obviously arent talking fine or high end dining. Legal documents that dictate what the owners can do with their restuarant. And well guess, what they are uniform across franchises of said resturant. So theres really not much they can, do, but I can say they probably have

1. Less employees
2. Longer wait times
3. Longer service times

Oh and this whole notion that resturants make a killing on profit. They dont. The corporations that sell franchise licenses and agreements make tons of it, but the restuarants and their owners run on thin profit margins. Its why resturants routinely have "under new management" or close. An owner of a franchised restuarant needs three before he will start seeing a decent proft(return on investment). There are the exceptions, but its usually smaller lesser known franchise resturants.

The only way, apparently, that you're ever going to really understand is if you come out here, dine, and see for yourself that we don't have fewer employees, longer wait times, or longer service times. I've dined across the country and it's no different anywhere.

Until then, good luck I guess. :beer:

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Nik

The only way, apparently, that you're ever going to really understand is if you come out here, dine, and see for yourself that we don't have fewer employees, longer wait times, or longer service times. I've dined across the country and it's no different anywhere.

Until then, good luck I guess. :beer:

it shouldn't be you freakin' retard...they don't know you aren't tipping as your Greyhound bus leaves. They gave you their all, you showed them "I live with Mom!"

Go BOY Go!

 

[Red Dawn]

Nik's just pissed because they don't give him seconds.

 

[Locut0s]

There's no such thing as a restarunt that "demands a tip" as far as I know. In europe most restaruants do add a gratuity charge onto bills but that's so common that it's considered more like a tax than a tip, people still tip there if they feel like they have been served exceptionaly well.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Nik's just pissed because they don't give him seconds.

and a doggy bag for mom.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Nik's just pissed because they don't give him seconds.

Did that make you feel better about yourself Mike?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Nik's just pissed because they don't give him seconds.

and a doggy bag for mom.

Never seen a place that does NOT give doggy bags.

some places serve so much food its ridiculous. went to a place called johnny's charehouse and got a steak.

IT was huge! Also got side's, potatoes bread etc.

i couldn't even eat half of the darn thing.

made a great sandwich the next day though!