What do you think of restaurants who demand a tip?

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: buck
You are a thread crapping jackass (see fs&t forum), and you dont know what your are talking about. In many states waiters are paid less than $2 an hour on their paycheck.

He's not a thread crapper or a jackass. Well, maybe a jackass for not reading the entire thread before posting, but he's not a thread crapper. He just didn't know that this kind of thing was legal in 40 states or so.

Hes a thread crapping jackass from what he posted in the FS&T forum, hence why i said "see FS&T forum".

 

[brigden]

Nik, how often do you eat out and what kinds of restaurants do you frequent?

 

[Nebben]

Originally posted by: OCNewbie

Originally posted by: Nebben
Since this thread just doesn't seem to quite have enough conflict already, how about the person who made your food? Do you tip them?

I believe cooks don't get paid $2-3 an hour, along with you have no real personal interaction with them, so it's not as sensical to tip them I suppose. They're not really doing anything special for you, they're making "a" meal for "a" person, nothing individualized generally. So for those reasons, it doesn't make as much sense to me to tip the cook versus the waiter that does all the leg work to keep you happy.

While it is a good point that cooks make more per hour in wages, some cooks really do put a lot of effort into making your food well. Ever been to a restaurant and had a really good meal one time, and a really awful one the next? Well, try being the guy cooking the good food, who probably gets paid the same as the guy who doesn't care, and gets little recognition for all of his efforts. Yes, it *is* his job and he shouldn't expect anything special, but it is very encouraging to be tipped in such a circumstance.

Many employers simply don't notice or care when someone tries hard all the time to make sure the food is done right. They notice the people that suck up to them and do the miniscule jobs like cleaning off countertops really well

This is more applicable in some places than in others, of course. I would rarely think about tipping the guy at Taco Bell because, well, the food is rarely any good, and they generally have one guy standing at each position not doing a whole lot unless they're REALLY busy. But when I go to a local place with maybe 4-5 regular cooks employed in total, and my favorite guy is cooking my food, and he does a damn fine job of making it, I'll usually give him a buck or two to show my appreciation. And while the cooks should always make the food as best as possible for everyone, you know that's not the case... and they remember the guys that give them tips.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: brigden
Nik, how often do you eat out and what kinds of restaurants do you frequent?

READ THE FVCKING THREAD Burger King and McDonalds fool....sometimes a Perkins or Denny's on payday, he is successful you know.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: chrisms
And whether you think the customer "should," or not, they do...

Maybe in their fvcked up world, but not in my world. Not in the real world.

No, your world in not the real world. You would never make it anywhere in the professional world(the real world) with your attitude. You pay for the food, you tip for the service.

Actually, I'm making it quite well in the professional world, thank you.

You aren't doing too well round these parts. You're easily the most disliked member on these forums.

Whooa..don't go that far..there are some real dipsh!ts here on the forums.

 

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: chrisms
And whether you think the customer "should," or not, they do...

Maybe in their fvcked up world, but not in my world. Not in the real world.

No, your world in not the real world. You would never make it anywhere in the professional world(the real world) with your attitude. You pay for the food, you tip for the service.

Actually, I'm making it quite well in the professional world, thank you.

You aren't doing too well round these parts. You're easily the most disliked member on these forums.

Whooa..don't go that far..there are some real dipsh!ts here on the forums.

Agreed, although i disagree with his posts in this thread, hes very fun to read %90 of the time.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: buck
Agreed, although i disagree with his posts in this thread, hes very fun to read %90 of the time.

THE PERCENT SIGN GOES AFTER THE DIGIT, YOU HAIRY APE! :|

 

[Nebben]

Nice avatar, Nik.

Yes, you did.

 

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: buck
Agreed, although i disagree with his posts in this thread, hes very fun to read %90 of the time.

THE PERCENT SIGN GOES AFTER THE DIGIT, YOU HAIRY APE! :|

I know, i did it to piss you off, hoser.
Ohh ya, Benny Hinn sucks.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: buck
Agreed, although i disagree with his posts in this thread, hes very fun to read %90 of the time.

THE PERCENT SIGN GOES AFTER THE DIGIT, YOU HAIRY APE! :|

I know, i did it to piss you off, hoser.
Ohh ya, Benny Hinn sucks.

so does everyone else when they're drinking from a straw

 

[Reckoner]

The only thing that bothers me about tipping is that it seems like anyone who performs any sort of remote service for you expects one. I don't see what the big deal is. Is it the job of a waiter/waitress to provide exceptional service? Yes. But when they provide such service (especially if it's busy), I choose to recognize it and give them a tip. If they don't perform the service well, I won't tip them. In the end, the person who continues to provide good service will make a decent living because most patrons will recognize their hard work and compensate them accordingly. The person who doesn't should figure out quickly that they need to improve.

As for firing people who don't meet all company standards, it's not that cut and dry. When people make a crap wage it's hard to find decent workers. There's the occasional exception, but generally it's the former that is the rule. That's the way it works. I'm sure anyone who has ever been a manager at a retail/fast food location can vouch for this.

 

[suse920]

holy crap this thread exploded

 

[tec699]

At my mom's restaurant a waitress can make over $250 in a 4 hour time frame. Stone Harbor is home of the million dollar homes and the people that frequant my mom's restaurant are doctors, lawyers, etc..

The food is exceptional. The service and great and it's common for a party of 2 with a $25 bill to leave a $7-8 tip.

Also, a common waitress will only make $2.50 an hour The bulk of their pay comes from tips.

 

[Landroval]

Originally posted by: tec699
At my mom's restaurant a waitress can make over $250 in a 4 hour time frame. Stone Harbor is home of the million dollar homes and the people that frequant my mom's restaurant are doctors, lawyers, etc..

The food is exceptional. The service and great and it's common for a party of 2 with a $25 bill to leave a $7-8 tip.

Yes, and it's not easy to get and keep such a job My family has dinner together at a local restaurant. It's nice but not too expensive. A bill for six (usually we have 5-8) people is maybe $100-120 including drinks. Because they treat us so well I always tip about $5 a head.

 

[mugs]

At my mom's restaurant a waitress can make over $250 in a 4 hour time frame. Stone Harbor is home of the million dollar homes and the people that frequant my mom's restaurant are doctors, lawyers, etc..

The food is exceptional. The service and great and it's common for a party of 2 with a $25 bill to leave a $7-8 tip.

Also, a common waitress will only make $2.50 an hour The bulk of their pay comes from tips.

How much business do they get between September and May?

 

[AutumnRayne]

Well this has turned into one large bash Nik thread.

All of this could be avoided if people would actually read through it. Yes Nik has said several times that if he gets great service he tips and tips between 50-100%. He also said that if the service was just average that he does not feel compelled to tip. Which everyone is turning around and calling him names and saying that he is cheap. Look at where he lives though. You are all assuming that in his state the servers are getting paid 2-3 dollars an hour, as is the situation in most other states. However, in Oregon the servers are paid Oregon's minimum wage of $7. Most of us tip servers for doing an average job, because we know they are getting paid only $2-3/hour. I don't think if I lived in a state where servers got paid $2 dollars over the national minimum wage, that I would feel as compelled to tip for just adequate service.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: AutumnRayne
Well this has turned into one large bash Nik thread.

All of this could be avoided if people would actually read through it. Yes Nik has said several times that if he gets great service he tips and tips between 50-100%. He also said that if the service was just average that he does not feel compelled to tip. Which everyone is turning around and calling him names and saying that he is cheap. Look at where he lives though. You are all assuming that in his state the servers are getting paid 2-3 dollars an hour, as is the situation in most other states. However, in Oregon the servers are paid Oregon's minimum wage of $7. Most of us tip servers for doing an average job, because we know they are getting paid only $2-3/hour. I don't think if I lived in a state where servers got paid $2 dollars over the national minimum wage, that I would feel as compelled to tip for just adequate service.

Its mob mentality. Once the flow gets going in one way everyone has to chime in to show how cool they are.

Where if htey really read the thread and thought about it they would agree to a point.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: AutumnRayne
Well this has turned into one large bash Nik thread.

All of this could be avoided if people would actually read through it. Yes Nik has said several times that if he gets great service he tips and tips between 50-100%. He also said that if the service was just average that he does not feel compelled to tip. Which everyone is turning around and calling him names and saying that he is cheap. Look at where he lives though. You are all assuming that in his state the servers are getting paid 2-3 dollars an hour, as is the situation in most other states. However, in Oregon the servers are paid Oregon's minimum wage of $7. Most of us tip servers for doing an average job, because we know they are getting paid only $2-3/hour. I don't think if I lived in a state where servers got paid $2 dollars over the national minimum wage, that I would feel as compelled to tip for just adequate service.

I have read through this thread and posted several times in it. I also believe that given Nik's attitude he has NEVER tipped between 50% and 100% in his life. Using Nik's theory of not having to tip based on average service I say I don't have to buy Nik's BS based on less than average evidence so I don't.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: AutumnRayne
Well this has turned into one large bash Nik thread.

All of this could be avoided if people would actually read through it. Yes Nik has said several times that if he gets great service he tips and tips between 50-100%. He also said that if the service was just average that he does not feel compelled to tip. Which everyone is turning around and calling him names and saying that he is cheap. Look at where he lives though. You are all assuming that in his state the servers are getting paid 2-3 dollars an hour, as is the situation in most other states. However, in Oregon the servers are paid Oregon's minimum wage of $7. Most of us tip servers for doing an average job, because we know they are getting paid only $2-3/hour. I don't think if I lived in a state where servers got paid $2 dollars over the national minimum wage, that I would feel as compelled to tip for just adequate service.

I have read through this thread and posted several times in it. I also believe that given Nik's attitude he has NEVER tipped between 50% and 100% in his life. Using Nik's theory of not having to tip based on average service I say I don't have to buy Nik's BS based on less than average evidence so I don't.

Why do I care whether you believe me or not? Calling me a liar doesn't change the way I tip. :beer:

 

[DeeKnow]

Originally posted by: Nik
I do not ever tip anyone who demands it or expects it. Bitch, you get a goddamn paycheck. Need more money? GET A DIFFERENT JOB. :|

grr...

</rant>

you said it

 

[DeeKnow]

a tip is meant to reward unusually good service... if the printed price does not cover their cost, let them raise their prices. I couldn't give a rat's ass about how they only get $1 per hour.... if i accepted that logic, should I not go around tipping all the unemployed and homeless..??

 

[PaidLess]

Has Anyone thought of just going to Mcdonalds ... shesh .. its a restaurant .. but just faster

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: DeeKnow
a tip is meant to reward unusually good service... if the printed price does not cover their cost, let them raise their prices. I couldn't give a rat's ass about how they only get $1 per hour.... if i accepted that logic, should I not go around tipping all the unemployed and homeless..??

You are obviously incapable of rational thought. You don't understand the issues either....fortunately fine dining in your case is a KFC 12 piece bucket. No tip required.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: AutumnRayne
Well this has turned into one large bash Nik thread.

All of this could be avoided if people would actually read through it. Yes Nik has said several times that if he gets great service he tips and tips between 50-100%. He also said that if the service was just average that he does not feel compelled to tip. Which everyone is turning around and calling him names and saying that he is cheap. Look at where he lives though. You are all assuming that in his state the servers are getting paid 2-3 dollars an hour, as is the situation in most other states. However, in Oregon the servers are paid Oregon's minimum wage of $7. Most of us tip servers for doing an average job, because we know they are getting paid only $2-3/hour. I don't think if I lived in a state where servers got paid $2 dollars over the national minimum wage, that I would feel as compelled to tip for just adequate service.

You are not understanding either, just defending Nik.

Everyone here that is part of the main responders see what Nik is saying. However, tips are not a 'reward' system at all in food service. It has to do with the customer paying part of the server's pay. As such you can pull some tip if the server sucks, or even all of it. However, the 15% is for an average job. Obviously also, average has different scales from a $5/plate restaurant to one your are paying $30+/plate.

The same people here that give 15% as a standard, have more than likely also gone 20, 30, 40, 50, 100%+ as well for outstanding service. His 100% though I am willing to bet is based on getting a burger for $5 and leaving $10 on the table. We have all done that.

People that say the servers can get another job, or the 'restaurant' should change the system are ignorant if they think that is an option. America as a whole agrees on the low food cost + tip system as do many other countries. It allows one to have a good meal at a good price and requires a server to do at least an average job if they want to stay paid.

The main two issues people are missing are:
1) We are talking waitstaff here, not other professions, even if tipped.
2) Tips for waitstaff is not a reward system, but a standard for their pay basis.

Those that think otherwise are either in the wrong thread or justifying their cheapness/abuse of the system.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: AutumnRayne
Well this has turned into one large bash Nik thread.

All of this could be avoided if people would actually read through it. Yes Nik has said several times that if he gets great service he tips and tips between 50-100%. He also said that if the service was just average that he does not feel compelled to tip. Which everyone is turning around and calling him names and saying that he is cheap. Look at where he lives though. You are all assuming that in his state the servers are getting paid 2-3 dollars an hour, as is the situation in most other states. However, in Oregon the servers are paid Oregon's minimum wage of $7. Most of us tip servers for doing an average job, because we know they are getting paid only $2-3/hour. I don't think if I lived in a state where servers got paid $2 dollars over the national minimum wage, that I would feel as compelled to tip for just adequate service.

All that means is that you're as cheap as he is. Do you normally research state law when you're on vacation, prior to deciding how much to tip? Lexis/Nexis, here I come!