What do you think of restaurants who demand a tip?

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: buck
Its for more than the food industry.

I wasn't aware that the state allowed more than just the food industry to pay below minimum wages :Q What other industries?

Tourist type industries, other tipped positions (ie bellman, valets, towel boys, etc etc).

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: brigden
Nik, let's say you're eating out at decent restaurant. There are seven other people in your party. Let's assume the service was good, as was the food. Let's also assume you get one bill for the entire party. Everyone is expected to pay for their share of the bill and a tip.

What would you do?

I've already answered that EXACT scenario. Read the thread.

 

Originally posted by: neonerd

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nik
I do not ever tip anyone who demands it or expects it. Bitch, you get a goddamn paycheck. Need more money? GET A DIFFERENT JOB. :|

grr...

</rant>

Most waiters/waitresses get less than $2.50 an hour. They depend on the gratuity to actually get money at their job.

That said, I'd probably get pissed if someone specifically asked me for a tip or automatically added it to the bill, which would result in me giving a nice fat tip of $0.

bullshit....ever heard of minimum wage?

You are a thread crapping jackass (see fs&t forum), and you dont know what your are talking about. In many states waiters are paid less than $2 an hour on their paycheck.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: neonerd

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nik
I do not ever tip anyone who demands it or expects it. Bitch, you get a goddamn paycheck. Need more money? GET A DIFFERENT JOB. :|

grr...

</rant>

Most waiters/waitresses get less than $2.50 an hour. They depend on the gratuity to actually get money at their job.

That said, I'd probably get pissed if someone specifically asked me for a tip or automatically added it to the bill, which would result in me giving a nice fat tip of $0.

bullshit....ever heard of minimum wage?

Neo, it's true that the food industry is allowed to pay considerably less than minimum wage. Most states in the US allow it. Most other countries don't, but most of the US does.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: buck
You are a thread crapping jackass (see fs&t forum), and you dont know what your are talking about. In many states waiters are paid less than $2 an hour on their paycheck.

He's not a thread crapper or a jackass. Well, maybe a jackass for not reading the entire thread before posting, but he's not a thread crapper. He just didn't know that this kind of thing was legal in 40 states or so.

 

[brigden]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: brigden
Nik, let's say you're eating out at decent restaurant. There are seven other people in your party. Let's assume the service was good, as was the food. Let's also assume you get one bill for the entire party. Everyone is expected to pay for their share of the bill and a tip.

What would you do?

I've already answered that EXACT scenario. Read the thread.

It's just as easy for you to reply with your original answer as it is to reply to what you did. In fact, it's easier for you to reply with your original answer as it is for me to search the entire thread.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: brigden
Nik, let's say you're eating out at decent restaurant. There are seven other people in your party. Let's assume the service was good, as was the food. Let's also assume you get one bill for the entire party. Everyone is expected to pay for their share of the bill and a tip.

What would you do?

I've already answered that EXACT scenario. Read the thread.

It's just as easy for you to reply with your original answer as it is to reply to what you did. In fact, it's easier for you to reply with your original answer as it is for me to search the entire thread.

That's right. However, if you WERE to read the entire thread, you'd see my stance on a lot of the things that these last 100 posts or so are giving me sh|t about. If they'd (and you?) would just read the damn thread, they wouldn't have anything to say. These arguments have gone over and over and over again.

 

[Savij]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Savij
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Quite frankly you're cheap and trying to avoid saying it. If you want to organize a march on D.C, if you want to write to your congressman, if you want to boycott, be my guest. However, if you choose to pay for food but not for the service that comes with it, if you choose to take advantageof the other customers who actually leave a tip to get a percentage off each meal, I hope that someone else gets annoyed at having to subsidize your meal and chooses to employ Aimster's preferred form of protest and puts a brick through your windshield.

You have ignored everything I've said in this thread.

I skimmed through some of your posts again, and I still couldn't find where you aren't being subsidized by every person who respects the common law practice of tipping. It's not like it's some hidden charge, it's so commonplace the IRS charges taxes on tips for food service employees. Your argument is basically that the waiter's paycheck is covered by the cost of your meal, but you're completely wrong. It's common pratice in this country to pay for the service part of your dining experience in a seperate transaction. You don't like it, fine i can understand that. However, you are still taking advantage of that fact to get a cheaper meal.

I could understand if you were pissed off about someone being rude and asking for a tip, but you are being rude in not tipping in a situation where you should tip. You are allowing every patron that does tip to cover the cost of the service you receive. Please, stay at home and stop making everyone else pay for the services you receive.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Savij
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Quite frankly you're cheap and trying to avoid saying it. If you want to organize a march on D.C, if you want to write to your congressman, if you want to boycott, be my guest. However, if you choose to pay for food but not for the service that comes with it, if you choose to take advantageof the other customers who actually leave a tip to get a percentage off each meal, I hope that someone else gets annoyed at having to subsidize your meal and chooses to employ Aimster's preferred form of protest and puts a brick through your windshield.

You have ignored everything I've said in this thread.

I skimmed through some of your posts again, and I still couldn't find where you aren't being subsidized by every person who respects the common law practice of tipping. It's not like it's some hidden charge, it's so commonplace the IRS charges taxes on tips for food service employees. Your argument is basically that the waiter's paycheck is covered by the cost of your meal, but you're completely wrong. It's common pratice in this country to pay for the service part of your dining experience in a seperate transaction. You don't like it, fine i can understand that. However, you are still taking advantage of that fact to get a cheaper meal.

I could understand if you were pissed off about someone being rude and asking for a tip, but you are being rude in not tipping in a situation where you should tip. You are allowing every patron that does tip to cover the cost of the service you receive. Please, stay at home and stop making everyone else pay for the services you receive.

You need to stop skimming or speed reading and actually read the thread from start to finish. Maybe then you'll stop accusing me of things I've already covered to the contrary. If you're too lazy to do so, please do not attempt to participate in this discussion.

 

[MustangSVT]

Lets see,

when you see Nik in an accident, trapped within a burning vehicle, please dont help him. You have other things to do and it was HIS fault that he got into an accident.

Also, when he becomes ill from unspeakable and horrible illness, dont feel sorry for him at all, he had it coming and it was all his fault that it happened.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: MustangSVT
Lets see,

when you see Nik in an accident, trapped within a burning vehicle, please dont help him. You have other things to do and it was HIS fault that he got into an accident.

Also, when he becomes ill from unspeakable and horrible illness, dont feel sorry for him at all, he had it coming and it was all his fault that it happened.

1) tipping is not life-and-death. Stop exaggerating.
2) Feeling sorry for me or not is your choice to do and I don't expect either one. I simply don't give a fvck. However, illness is not the same as making the choice to work in an underpaid position. Stop Exaggerating.

Fvcking christ, we had such a nice discussion going before you guys came in here. Read the thread. Stop exaggerating. Contribute to this discussion or gtfo.

 

[digitalsm]

Tipping is more than standard procedure, its proper etiquette.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: chrisms
And whether you think the customer "should," or not, they do...

Maybe in their fvcked up world, but not in my world. Not in the real world.

No, your world in not the real world. You would never make it anywhere in the professional world(the real world) with your attitude. You pay for the food, you tip for the service.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: chrisms
And whether you think the customer "should," or not, they do...

Maybe in their fvcked up world, but not in my world. Not in the real world.

No, your world in not the real world. You would never make it anywhere in the professional world(the real world) with your attitude. You pay for the food, you tip for the service.

Actually, I'm making it quite well in the professional world, thank you.

 

[MustangSVT]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: chrisms
And whether you think the customer "should," or not, they do...

Maybe in their fvcked up world, but not in my world. Not in the real world.

No, your world in not the real world. You would never make it anywhere in the professional world(the real world) with your attitude. You pay for the food, you tip for the service.

Dont be harsh on him. in his mind, it is all real.

 

[brigden]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: chrisms
And whether you think the customer "should," or not, they do...

Maybe in their fvcked up world, but not in my world. Not in the real world.

No, your world in not the real world. You would never make it anywhere in the professional world(the real world) with your attitude. You pay for the food, you tip for the service.

Actually, I'm making it quite well in the professional world, thank you.

You aren't doing too well round these parts. You're easily the most disliked member on these forums.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: chrisms
And whether you think the customer "should," or not, they do...

Maybe in their fvcked up world, but not in my world. Not in the real world.

No, your world in not the real world. You would never make it anywhere in the professional world(the real world) with your attitude. You pay for the food, you tip for the service.

Actually, I'm making it quite well in the professional world, thank you.

You aren't doing too well round these parts. You're easily the most disliked member on these forums.

Wow, you're exaggerating there too. I've got lots of friends on the forums and there are plenty who are disliked more than I am.

But, anyhow, I like how you've changed the subject.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MommysLittleMonster
Consider this scenario. You dine out at a fairly decent retuaraunt. Not a chain. The waiter smiles, is friendly. You get a hello. He doesnt mess up with the order. You notice the resturaunt is busy. You get a little hungry waiting for entrees. The waiter is exceptional when it comes to refilling your beverage with the exception of your glass remaining empty once for a few minutes. The bill comes to $70. How much would you tip?

Nothing. That's what I expect as standard service. That's THEIR JOB. If they want to go above and beyond their job, then I will consider tipping. Tell me, where in that scenario, did anyone go above and beyond their job requirements?

You are hopeless and cheap.. that mentality amazes me.

The food industry is WAY out of control. It's unlike any other industry in the world. Try these bullsh|t gestapo tactics in any other industry and you'll run out of customers VERY quickly.

Not really, the rest of the world(first world) has service charges added in to the cost of the food. As a result, dining out in say Europe, is quite a bit more than dining out in the US. Furthermore, waiters in other countries lack incentive for good customer service, and anything lower than high end dining in most of europe has substandard service.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Savij
So basically Nik knows it's expected that he tip certain people (delivery guys and waiters, won't get into cable guy, plumber, dentist, surgeon, carnie, school teacher, etc.. debate) at least a small amount, and yet he choses not to. He is instead choosing to take advantage of an understood practice that allows the food price to be fixed while the service price is decided by the customer to steal service. He does not adjust the price he pays for food acordingly, he takes advantage of the understanding between restaurants and customers to get cheaper food. He is allowing every other customer to susidize his meal price.

Way to go, Nik. You're not even trying to debate what a standard tip percentage is; I could at least respect that position. You're not paying extra for the meal to cover the cost since you know you're not tipping, you're not getting your own drinks and taking your own plates to the kitchen sink, you're not telling the waiter/waitress that you won't be tipping, you're taking advantage of a common law payment system to get a cheaper meal. That person took that job with the understanding that they are tipped for the service they provide. If you aren't going to tip, at least have the decency to tell the person before instead of walking out without paying for service. I mean come on, you aren't even trying to argue about what is decent service, what is a decent amount to tip, or who gets tipped (The "Does the cable guy/plumber/ tooth fairy get a tip" debate).

Basically, Nik, you understand that, at the least, waiters and waitresses get some sort of tip for their service and you choose to ignore it. You make no excuses about not tipping, you simply expect the rest of us, who choose to tip, to pay for a percentage of every meal you eat at a restaurant and to pay for part of every pizza you eat at home. I find it incredibly ironic that you claim that people who take a job with the understanding that tipping is expected hold a "fvcking lazy, ungreatful, stupid, self-destructive ideology" and yet you see noting wrong with taking advantage of that ideology to get a cheaper meal. Why can't you write letters, why cant you organize a march, a sit-in, or some other protest? Why is the only thing that you are doing, not tipping, the one thing that saves you money?

Quite frankly you're cheap and trying to avoid saying it. If you want to organize a march on D.C, if you want to write to your congressman, if you want to boycott, be my guest. However, if you choose to pay for food but not for the service that comes with it, if you choose to take advantageof the other customers who actually leave a tip to get a percentage off each meal, I hope that someone else gets annoyed at having to subsidize your meal and chooses to employ Aimster's preferred form of protest and puts a brick through your windshield.

That's a really cool perspective, I didn't think of it like that. Nik's popularity is nearing an all time low!

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MommysLittleMonster
Consider this scenario. You dine out at a fairly decent retuaraunt. Not a chain. The waiter smiles, is friendly. You get a hello. He doesnt mess up with the order. You notice the resturaunt is busy. You get a little hungry waiting for entrees. The waiter is exceptional when it comes to refilling your beverage with the exception of your glass remaining empty once for a few minutes. The bill comes to $70. How much would you tip?

Nothing. That's what I expect as standard service. That's THEIR JOB. If they want to go above and beyond their job, then I will consider tipping. Tell me, where in that scenario, did anyone go above and beyond their job requirements?

You are hopeless and cheap.. that mentality amazes me.

The food industry is WAY out of control. It's unlike any other industry in the world. Try these bullsh|t gestapo tactics in any other industry and you'll run out of customers VERY quickly.

Not really, the rest of the world(first world) has service charges added in to the cost of the food. As a result, dining out in say Europe, is quite a bit more than dining out in the US. Furthermore, waiters in other countries lack incentive for good customer service, and anything lower than high end dining in most of europe has substandard service.

Then why do those half dozen to 10 states in the U.S. who pay normal wages still have food that's not prohibitively expensive, as you accuse Europe of being?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Nik

Then why do those half dozen to 10 states in the U.S. who pay normal wages still have food that's not prohibitively expensive, as you accuse Europe of being?

Europe has more Saabs.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Savij
So basically Nik knows it's expected that he tip certain people (delivery guys and waiters, won't get into cable guy, plumber, dentist, surgeon, carnie, school teacher, etc.. debate) at least a small amount, and yet he choses not to. He is instead choosing to take advantage of an understood practice that allows the food price to be fixed while the service price is decided by the customer to steal service. He does not adjust the price he pays for food acordingly, he takes advantage of the understanding between restaurants and customers to get cheaper food. He is allowing every other customer to susidize his meal price.

Way to go, Nik. You're not even trying to debate what a standard tip percentage is; I could at least respect that position. You're not paying extra for the meal to cover the cost since you know you're not tipping, you're not getting your own drinks and taking your own plates to the kitchen sink, you're not telling the waiter/waitress that you won't be tipping, you're taking advantage of a common law payment system to get a cheaper meal. That person took that job with the understanding that they are tipped for the service they provide. If you aren't going to tip, at least have the decency to tell the person before instead of walking out without paying for service. I mean come on, you aren't even trying to argue about what is decent service, what is a decent amount to tip, or who gets tipped (The "Does the cable guy/plumber/ tooth fairy get a tip" debate).

Basically, Nik, you understand that, at the least, waiters and waitresses get some sort of tip for their service and you choose to ignore it. You make no excuses about not tipping, you simply expect the rest of us, who choose to tip, to pay for a percentage of every meal you eat at a restaurant and to pay for part of every pizza you eat at home. I find it incredibly ironic that you claim that people who take a job with the understanding that tipping is expected hold a "fvcking lazy, ungreatful, stupid, self-destructive ideology" and yet you see noting wrong with taking advantage of that ideology to get a cheaper meal. Why can't you write letters, why cant you organize a march, a sit-in, or some other protest? Why is the only thing that you are doing, not tipping, the one thing that saves you money?

Quite frankly you're cheap and trying to avoid saying it. If you want to organize a march on D.C, if you want to write to your congressman, if you want to boycott, be my guest. However, if you choose to pay for food but not for the service that comes with it, if you choose to take advantageof the other customers who actually leave a tip to get a percentage off each meal, I hope that someone else gets annoyed at having to subsidize your meal and chooses to employ Aimster's preferred form of protest and puts a brick through your windshield.

That's a really cool perspective, I didn't think of it like that. Nik's popularity is nearing an all time low!

Well, if any of that were true, then I *would* be a cheapass. Not that it matters anyway, but this is what you get when you don't read the thread.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Nik

Then why do those half dozen to 10 states in the U.S. who pay normal wages still have food that's not prohibitively expensive, as you accuse Europe of being?

Europe has more Saabs.

I feel sorry for them.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Nik

Then why do those half dozen to 10 states in the U.S. who pay normal wages still have food that's not prohibitively expensive, as you accuse Europe of being?

K I am game, let's now state those States. Since you know the stats too, how about stating the *median* dinner price and *median* wage there.

I bet it's a bit out of wack.

I (myself although you didn't reply to me) wasn't thinking of Europe, directly....

 

[brigden]

You're cheap, Nik. There is no argument around it.