Again the job is only woth so much. Do you feel I should have been making more than most college educated people for suggesting a wine , opening it, bringing your dinner, blah, blah, blah.
Also if you are so into class and consider it classy to pay someone more than they are worth why such a lame tipper?
I think people in the customer service industry deserve quite a bit more than $2.50 per hour. However, I also believe that their employer should respect them enough to pay them that without them turning the burden onto the customer directly. It's the employer who's abusing the "voluntary" tipping system by requiring it in order to compensate for their choice to undercut their employee wages.
Yeah, you need to receive more money, but it's not going to be from me if it's "forced" in any way.
Treat there employees decently? What do you mean? The median wage for servers is 6/h+
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Remember there are far more low end resturaunts when looking at that figure..
How are the employees being mistreated again? They make a wage that is comparable to other jobs which require a limited skill set and have no danger. They simply make it a different way. A way in which you the customer get to decide if what their service was worth.
Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Just got home from working at the restaurant. With tips and my $3.90 an hour I made $21 per hour from 5:00 - 12:00.
And I take it you provide good service to your customer?
I usually leave a dollar per person for what I consider table service. Any kind of "tip" beyond that has to be earned..
A good waiter concerned about providing quality customer service probably isn't worried about tips because a fair amount would come to them as part of the way they do their job. These places making mandatory gratuities does not speak well about how much they care about customer service..
A good waiter concerned about providing quality customer service probably isn't worried about tips because a fair amount would come to them as part of the way they do their job. These places making mandatory gratuities does not speak well about how much they care about customer service..
I've never seen a restaurant "demand" a tip unless it's a party of more than a certain number - 8 is what most menus state. Why is that? Because most large parties wind up getting paid by a single person who is too freaking cheap to leave 15 - 20 % on a bill for a party that size because it seems like so much.
This tipping thing is a tired argument. Restaurants pay their wait staff a minimum wage (usually well below standard minimum wage) and the rest of their salary is **expected** to be made up by tips. That's the business and if you don't like it don't eat out. If you're not prepared to drop a 15 - 20 % tip on good service then stay the fvck home and eat by your miserable, cheap self.
Note to Nik: You are a freaking moron. I guess you don't comprehend what a cheap prick you appear to others. I'm sure your significant other, family, friends, coworkers, etc are all very impressed with your views on this subject.
This tipping thing is a tired argument. Restaurants pay their wait staff a minimum wage (usually well below standard minimum wage) and the rest of their salary is **expected** to be made up by tips. That's the business and if you don't like it don't eat out. If you're not prepared to drop a 15 - 20 % tip on good service then stay the fvck home and eat by your miserable, cheap self.
Note to Nik: You are a freaking moron. I guess you don't comprehend what a cheap prick you appear to others. I'm sure your significant other, family, friends, coworkers, etc are all very impressed with your views on this subject.
OMFG... You just clearly stated the argument against your own ranting. If the employer paid their wait staff more money rather than relying on tips from customers the employer would have to raise the prices of food and drink on the menu to compensate. In other words, you'd be forced to pay higher prices for food and drink. With the tip system at least you can leave an amount based on service. Geez... :roll:
alkemyst
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QFT, plus he is the quickest to run to forum issues and cry to the mods.
Anyway, he doesn't understand the restaurant wage laws at all. #1 Tipping is not required, but as such a restaurant can elect to pay a special minimum wage rate for those that recieve tips regularly.
The server is technically (a lot of technically's, but I am just quoting the law not what really happens) to monitor all tips and record them. They owe taxes on them.
Now at the end of the week if the server didn't make at least standard minimum wage with their tips, the restaurant is required to make up the difference.
That said, I know very few adult waiters/waitresses making less that about $10 on average/hr doing crappy restaurants. Kids will do a lot better getting a delivery job, I averaged $15/hr back in 1992 working about 20 hours a week. I also worked in a bank right after class until 5ish...I was making great money for a teenager.
Now all that said, if you are going to a full service restaurant you are expected to tip, not required...if the food is that expensive to you then eat elsewhere. Just like when you go on a date, there is no law saying take a shower, brush your teeth, etc...you just do it if you expect to be treated properly. The delivery place I worked for was a small mom and pop type chinese place, they gave each customer one chance at stiffing a driver, the second time they would not take their order for anything but pickup. Some customers actually would do the pickup despite it all.
The food was good.
alkemyst
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I wanted to add before anyone says how is anyone supposed to live on $10/hr...they are not expected to be able to, it's called working your way up or getting a second job which is what a lot of service industry people do. An average day job full time and a part time restaurant job at night.
I make mid-5 figures now, average home price is $346k here (West Palm Beach), my income is decent for the area...but you have so many wealthy retirees diluting that.
I'd hate to try doing this on half that.
I make mid-5 figures now, average home price is $346k here (West Palm Beach), my income is decent for the area...but you have so many wealthy retirees diluting that.
I'd hate to try doing this on half that.
when did being cheap become something to be proud of?? :roll:
first you and nik talk about waiters shouldn't get what they don't deserve and then you go off and steal another $10.00 from the company?
btw, nik and waggy, you guys are prime examples of "free riders" or bums. you get the service in restaruants because the rest of us pay tips, therefore you are doing the same thing your claiming the waiters and waitresses do. you are expecting to get for free what everyone else pays for.
you disgust me.
bs, because the restaruant doesn't have to pay the waiters and waitresses a high salary, they can spend more money making it an UPSCALE place which brings in a better class of clientele (obviously not nik's and waggy's) which contribute to higher tips for the staff. everyone wins.
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Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe
Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Just got home from working at the restaurant. With tips and my $3.90 an hour I made $21 per hour from 5:00 - 12:00.
Nice. One of the good ones or just at a better resturaunt where people like to give money away.
It was a good Friday night. Friday and Saturday usually net me around $17-18 per hour and slower nights such as Tuesday or Wednesday usually bring around $13-14 although for fewers hours than the weekend.
Like I said, read the thread. Paying employees more doesn't necessarily guarantee higher prices for the customer.
Jesus christ.
READ THE FVCKING THREAD.
Yeah, I whined because I wasn't getting my way. :roll: The thread's locked. Go read it. I wasn't bitching about anything other than some outrageous poster whose only purpose was to thread crap in an otherwise awesome thread.
READ THE ENTIRE GODDAMN THREAD.
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Yet another "thief" post. This is ridiculous. I really hope you realize how stupid you are by calling someone a thief because they don't think mediocre service is worth tipping for.
Bitch about it all you want. Your bitching and calling me a thief doesn't make it any more my responsibility to make sure my waiter has enough money to pay the bills. :roll:
Wow... I know that people have issues with shirking responsibility, but this is horrendous.
Maybe I should go get a job as a waiter, buy a Bently, then bitch at my customers when they don't pay me enough in tips to be able to pay for it. :roll:
READ THE FVCKING THREAD.
alkemyst
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1) usually a place states these rules plain and simple. If you decide to eat there you are agreeing to the rules. It's a free country. I can make a restaurant that states by eating there you agree to pay me $100 personally. I will put it on the menu, on a sign when you walk in, etc. I will even have the waiter mention it.
To the others that talk mediocre service...for the most part the people I hear complaining about this are talking a restaurant like Perkins or Friendly's, perhaps a Friday's or Ruby Tuesday. You are going to get mediocre service there, it's mediocre food at best. Most servers are responsible for too many tables and there are too few cooks. It's called 'budget dining'. Go to a Four Seasons and you will be hard pressed to ever have a half filled soft drink. Once you finish your beer, you are asked if you'd like another. etc. Of course, $6.50 a plate vs $65 is a big jump, yet alone getting out of the place as a couple for $20 vs $200+.
Now all that said in the former case you are paying a whopping $3 for service at 15%, I never would leave less than $5 for a dinner service....even if they semi-sucked.
at the latter, let's assume $50 in drinks: $22.50. It's not breaking the bank.
Timelines are also a big difference....a lot of those that complain will 'camp' on a dinner and water refills for hours, the server starts slacking because you are not supposed to be doing that, it's a 'hint'. At a restaurant in the 4-5 star range, you are given a lot more freedom to just 'lounge', however; order just salads and tap water on a busy friday night and you can bet you will be asked to move to the bar area.
All in all I think those that don't tip well mostly fall in the category of 'I am really nothing, but I can make other's think I am important if I don't get the service a celebrity would get [even though Tom Cruise would never be eating at Denny's].'
I really doubt you would be a successful waiter or be hired at a respectable establishment. You need certain skills, appearance, etc. that you appear to lack.
Why? All I'd have to do is throw some plates on the table, apparently, and stand there with my hand out waiting for people to tip me. Hell, I'm a waiter so I somehow automagically deserve a tip, right? Right?
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Don't assume anything about me. You have yet to be a customer of mine. You seem to ignore the parts of this thread that actually do me any credit or justice and I'm sick and tired of saying things over and over again because the same folks that say I don't listen are the only ones who aren't listening to "the other side." I've been in customer service since I was 16. So either become a customer of mine so I can prove what ya'll don't seem to believe or eat my nuts. I really don't care which because I enjoy both.
how about quoting the whole thing if you had really read my post you could easily have seen i was referring to WAGGY NOT YOU when i said "steal".
but i guess actually reading someone elses post just required too much effort for you.
if you're too poor or stingy to tip then you shouldn't be in a restaurant where ppl generally leave tip. that's what take out is for, or cook your meal at home and clean up your sh*t, imagine how the waitor/waitress feels treating the customers all nice and in return getting a crappy or no tip whatsoever.
So, the part where you say "you and nik" you actually just mean "just you"?
...and then the next part where you say "nik and waggy" you mean "just waggy"?
Is that what you mean?
Wow, I sure am dumb for assuming that you were talking to me when you said my name.
Sigh. Your view has been discussed and defeated in this thread several times over. Thanks for playing.
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