Well, I think that would be obvious to anyone with any interest in business at all, but, Ill try to explain it to you here in layman's terms. They underpay there employees for profit reasons.
Well, I think that would be obvious to anyone with any interest in business at all, but, Ill try to explain it to you here in layman's terms. They underpay there employees for profit reasons.
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Well, I think that would be obvious to anyone with any interest in business at all, but, Ill try to explain it to you here in layman's terms. They underpay there employees for profit reasons.
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No they underpay their employees because tipping is customary and if minimum wage plus can be met with a small salary and tips there is no reason to pay them more so they aren't really underpaid.
There are restaurants that do not allow tipping. Their employees are paid no more than what the average server makes with tips if not less.
Well, I think that would be obvious to anyone with any interest in business at all, but, Ill try to explain it to you here in layman's terms. They underpay there employees for profit reasons.
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No they underpay their employees because tipping is customary and if minimum wage plus can be met with a small salary and tips there is no reason to pay them more so they aren't really underpaid.[/quote]
Ok, well, since the layman terms didn't help, let me assist you some more.
The labour laws set a lower minimum wage for Waitree/waiters than any other labour group. The company chooses this lower wage, that they can legally pay people with why? They do this for profit margins, plain and simple.
For restaurents that do not allow tipping, they are paid standard minimum wage.
Lies. Employers in the food industry pay their employees less because they're greedy and want more money for themselves. They justify this by saying "oh you'll make it up in tips so STFU and go earn your tips because I refuse to give you a real paycheck!"
Minimum wage is defined as the amount of money that the employer pays the employee. This is very important to note. Minimum wage is not defined as how much money the employee comes home with, by hook or by crook. The employer is responsible to make sure the employee is making a certain amount per hour/month. That's the law. Unfortunately, the food industry has been padding lawmaker's pocketbooks for years to allow them to keep the minimum wage (read: the amount of money the employer must pay the employee out of the employer's pocket) lower than the rest of the state/nation and leaving the burden of a so-called "voluntary" tipping system to make up the difference.
Right. It's a minimum wage, not a maximum wage. Employers have the right to pay their servers 100,000,000 per hour if they wanted to.
Why do they choose to pay the absolute bare minimum?
Because they're all friggin greedy and can justify their greedy, shady tactics with "oh, you'll make it up in tips so just STFU and go earn your sorry excuse of a paycheck that I offer you!"
It's too bad that so many folks are willing to settle for this nonsense.
No they underpay their employees because tipping is customary and if minimum wage plus can be met with a small salary and tips there is no reason to pay them more so they aren't really underpaid.[/quote]
Ok, well, since the layman terms didn't help, let me assist you some more.
The labour laws set a lower minimum wage for Waitree/waiters than any other labour group. The company chooses this lower wage, that they can legally pay people with why? They do this for profit margins, plain and simple.
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:roll: What exactly do you think the service industry labor laws are based on? Which resturaunts/ bars have you managed/ owned? If you cut out tips and paid employees what you consider a decent wage there would be no fvcking profit margin in most cases unless prices were raised. Are you saying companies shouldn't profit? Please put it laymans terms. :roll:
deftron.... why are you such a dumbass?
You remind me of a little dumbass.
:roll:
Do you feel better now? Can we get back on topic please?
Of course they should profit, and it would be better for them to raise prices, and treat there employees decently, than keep the practices there doing now.
Well, I think that would be obvious to anyone with any interest in business at all, but, Ill try to explain it to you here in layman's terms. They underpay there employees for profit reasons.
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No they underpay their employees because tipping is customary and if minimum wage plus can be met with a small salary and tips there is no reason to pay them more so they aren't really underpaid.
There are restaurants that do not allow tipping. Their employees are paid no more than what the average server makes with tips if not less.[/quote]
I've been to (unfortunately) only one that way. The food was more expensive, but it was my choice. But as long as the people continue to overtip everywhere else, they'll never go to the 'no tipping' policy.
Also it seems the tipping requirement has been creeping up in the past years. Used to be 15%. What is it now? Will it be 50% before long?
You also need to go back and review the thread. There are half a dozen to eight states that forbid restaurants from paying employees any less than the minimum wage that applies to everyone else in the state. Oregon is one of them.
Let's see... no more than $2.50 per hour in order to make a profit?? Minimum wage here is $7.25.
By your reasoning, food here should be unreasonably expensive. A $10 plate of food in any of these lower-wage states would still be $10 while that same plate of food here would be $30. THIRTY DOLLARS.
Nope, food's still the exact same price here.
Hmm, I wonder how that could possibly be so....
Nik if you owned a place and new that your employees would get tipped what would you set their wages at? You have already said that the job which requires limited skill set is not worth that much.
It really doesn't matter though because the price is going to be the same if tips are factored in or price is raised to compensate employees.
That is nothing. At The Butcher Shop steakhouse in the west end (Dallas), a waiter actually ran me and my two friends down, maybe a half mile from the resteraunt, because he thought we didn't pay him enough.
We were on a college band trip, and were given cash to spend on food. Of course we paid in cash at the steakhouse, which was not cheap. We tipped him accordingly, and left. When he ran us down, we had no idea what was going on. We were shocked..he said "I don't want to make a scene..I can't believe you would do this. The least you could do when coming to a nice resteraunt is pay!"
Like I said, we were shocked. As we stared at him he preceded to take out the cash and actually count it all. Upon doing that he realized he was completely wrong.
See what is wrong with this situation? If he had counted it in the resteraunt like he was supposed to, this wouldn't have happened. Instead, he assumed us casually dressed students would try to get out of paying for a nice steak dinner. What an asshole.
You fail to offer the option of prices remaining the same while employee wages increase. You don't understand that, by providing a no-pressure-for-tips environment, customers are highly more likely to be more satisfied with their overall experience here. This actually increases tipping while, at the same time, provides a larger overall profit by selling a higher volume of goods because of higher numbers of repeat customers.
If I *did* own a restaurant, I'm not sure what I would pay my employees, exactly, but I'm damn sure I wouldn't pay them some god awful $2.50/hr. I don't intend to run a flea-infested dump.
I would prefer to run a classy joint -classy for both the customers and the employees.Scientific sutdies have preoven tip amount is in direct
correlation witrh penis size.
Larger ttip = larger schlong.
correlation witrh penis size.
Larger ttip = larger schlong.
Damnit Nik, I needed someplace to vent, and I figured this topic was close enough.
Would you rather me act like deftron?
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Damnit Nik, I needed someplace to vent, and I figured this topic was close enough.
Would you rather me act like deftron?
I find it difficult to comprehend that you have the capacity to sink so lowly. Please do not prove me wrong.
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Damnit Nik, I needed someplace to vent, and I figured this topic was close enough.
Would you rather me act like deftron?
I find it difficult to comprehend that you have the capacity to sink so lowly. Please do not prove me wrong.
I think that just might be a compliment. Awesome.
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Damnit Nik, I needed someplace to vent, and I figured this topic was close enough.
Would you rather me act like deftron?
I find it difficult to comprehend that you have the capacity to sink so lowly. Please do not prove me wrong.
I think that just might be a compliment. Awesome.
It is :laugh:
Originally posted by: Nik
You fail to offer the option of prices remaining the same while employee wages increase. You don't understand that, by providing a no-pressure-for-tips environment, customers are highly more likely to be more satisfied with their overall experience here. This actually increases tipping while, at the same time, provides a larger overall profit by selling a higher volume of goods because of higher numbers of repeat customers.
If I *did* own a restaurant, I'm not sure what I would pay my employees, exactly, but I'm damn sure I wouldn't pay them some god awful $2.50/hr. I don't intend to run a flea-infested dump.
No now you need to read. I already said I was against any pressure to tip. I've also said I've never felt any pressure to tip.
In my experience I made far less at a job where I made min. plus tips which is not uncommon in chain resturaunts in places where the actual min. is 2.35. At any rate the job is only worth so much which of course varies depending on the establishment. Since it is customary to tip I see no reason for the waitress at Denny's to make min plus tips.
Also the "classy" places I worked for paid me $2.50/ hour and I made an assload of moneybecause people enjoyed spending money.
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