i tip. i don't mind it. if i get good service, i think the person deserves a little extra. i don't like the included/forced tip. that's BS. that's a service charge. if its mandatory, then its not a tip.
Pepsei
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what the hell, at least they have a job, that's better than losing all the waitress, waiter jobs to mexicans,
or those welfare mom who doesn't work and get free "tip" from the government.
you have to look on the bright side,
it's also hard to taste spit or other fluid in pizza's "tomato sauce", how are you going to call in a complaint if you didn't know it's in there.
Originally posted by: Pepsei
how are you going to call in a complaint if you didn't know it's in there.
I'm magical.
Anyone having a problem with tipping should not travel to Italy. You have two gratuities included in the bill, coperta (place setting), and servicio. It ain't an option.
You do realize that if tips stopped, quality of service would go down since people wouldnt give a sh1t. The only reason service is generally good is because waiter/waitresses want tips. And sorry Nik, if everyone quit their service job, we wouldnt have any waiters, your just a cheap s.o.b
Read the damn thread. All of it. I've covered all of the topics that you've just discussed. The answer is not that everyone would quit, it's that management would pay their employees more. Beating the dead horse, it's not the customer's fault that the employer refuses to pay more and the employee refuses to go get a second or different job.
Well, I thought you were a half-wit, but apparently I've given you too much credit. Your'e full of bullsh|t.
As previously stated in the thread, the Oregon State minimum wage is either $7.25/hr or $7.50/hr (I forget) and Oregon does *not* allow restaurants to get away with paying less than that. I get great service. I get great food. The price is just as cheap if not cheaper for great food. I still get hastled for a tip. :roll:
You should come out to the Old Spaghetti Factory here. Food is dirt friggin cheap and great quality. Excellent service. People there usually go out of their way to make sure that I'm happy. I usually end up justifying a tip when I go there. :thumbsup:
Oregon is one of a half dozen states that do not allow the food industry to pay less than the state's minimum wage. :thumbsup:
It works for us and the other states. It can work for you too.
Metron
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Nik,
You mistake my concise comments for lack of reading comprehension.
I actually agree with you on the source of the problem... the restaurants. My point is that your anger is mis-directed. You won't hurt the restaurants by not tipping the staff. No, the only way to hurt the restaurant is to deprive them of business.
Originally, I was going to make several arguments regarding the lack of compensation from the restaurant. I was unware that Oregon (unlike most of the United States) actually requires restaurants to pay minimum wage. Given that, perhaps the accepted tipping percentage should be lower, but I don't believe eliminated.
Your argument that waiters should find another job is specious, given that this economy forces those with college and advanced degrees to work in the "service" industry.
Tipping is the "system" in America, if you don't like it.... move to France. :disgust:
You mistake my concise comments for lack of reading comprehension.
I actually agree with you on the source of the problem... the restaurants. My point is that your anger is mis-directed. You won't hurt the restaurants by not tipping the staff. No, the only way to hurt the restaurant is to deprive them of business.
Originally, I was going to make several arguments regarding the lack of compensation from the restaurant. I was unware that Oregon (unlike most of the United States) actually requires restaurants to pay minimum wage. Given that, perhaps the accepted tipping percentage should be lower, but I don't believe eliminated.
Your argument that waiters should find another job is specious, given that this economy forces those with college and advanced degrees to work in the "service" industry.
Tipping is the "system" in America, if you don't like it.... move to France. :disgust:
It's the American way: expect something for nothing.
I agree with waggy and Nik (mostly). I tip based on the service. It's rather disturbing and sad, however, that we must tip out of fear of having our food fvcked with...
I agree with waggy and Nik (mostly). I tip based on the service. It's rather disturbing and sad, however, that we must tip out of fear of having our food fvcked with...
The employer's job is to make sure their employees are doing their job. Not doing your job? I'm gonna sit ya down and have a talk to see what's bothering you about your job, see how I can do my job better to help you do yours better, etc. If it keeps happening, I'll make sure that I'm not making a mistake somewhere that isn't allowing you to do your job correctly. If I'm not the one making the mistake -i.e. the employee just *won't* do their job- then they get written up for it and it goes into their personnel file and we have another talk. If it happens again, they'll be looking for a new job.
I do not take customer service lightly. Customer service can make or break a customer's decision for repeat business. The customer's satisfaction is priority number one, obviously, and you don't make customers happy by giving them sh|tty service unless they tip.
I brought up reading comprehension because you locked on to the fact that my ex works in the food industry and my hatred for her is what drives me not to tip, which is grossly incorrect.
I'm not in it to "hurt" anybody or anything. I just refuse to tip when it's not worked for. I qualify "working for it" as doing more than your job. Your job is to provide the best customer service you can. That's not half-assed. That's not "oh these guys tip more so I'm going to ignore the other tables." When it's justified, I tip, and I tip very well.
What's wrong Nik, can't seem to express yourself without insults? Perhaps with study and hard work you can raise that IQ...
Heavy brow ridge, scraped knuckles... yup, you're from Oregon.
If you dont want to tip, go to a fast food joint where you are not waited upon. If you want to dine at a nice restaurant where someone serves you, expect to tip. Nik's argument about waiters/ waitresses being too stupid and greedy to get a better or additional job(s) is ridiculous. People in the food service industry are suposed to claim their tips as income for IRS purposes. They count as INCOME, therefore it IS part of their pay. If you insist on dining at a sit-dwn restaurant, expect to leave a freakin' tip. I cant believe how cheap some people are. Im a stingy bastard but I still tip at least 15% when I eat out. Nik, you should switch to eating frozen pizzas, I'll send you some coupons.
DainBramaged
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hahahahha...waiting for Piobaireachd to die a sudden, freakish death from a X-Fileesque computer virus.
Metron
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Nik, I stand corrected.
I'm also a former waiter, and I totally agree with your 2nd paragraph above. When I get poor service, no tip... great service, great tip.
*edit*
I do have friends though (who make 6 figure incomes mind you), who NEVER tip, which infuriates me. In Texas, restaurants can pay _b_e_l_o_w even the norm for waiters, if the restaurant also provides "free" food to the staff. I still have some paychecks I saved that were for literally pennies.... not dollars.
I'm also a former waiter, and I totally agree with your 2nd paragraph above. When I get poor service, no tip... great service, great tip.
*edit*
I do have friends though (who make 6 figure incomes mind you), who NEVER tip, which infuriates me. In Texas, restaurants can pay _b_e_l_o_w even the norm for waiters, if the restaurant also provides "free" food to the staff. I still have some paychecks I saved that were for literally pennies.... not dollars.
That sucks that the state/feds allow employers to get away with paying so little. It also sucks that employees who are willing to accept that job for such low pay expect their income to come from a voluntary system like tipping - and actually abuse the fact that it's a voluntary system by providing sub-standard service unless the client provides additional monetary compensation.
I don't ask a lot from the folks that wait on me. I understand when it's busy and you're running around like a chicken with its head cut off trying to get your job done. It's not an easy industry to work in. However, those in the industry have chosen to work in that environment and know exactly what they're getting in to. If they choose to live a life that requires more than what their employer is paying them, they shouldn't require their customers to help them deal with that choice.
If they give you good service, DO give them a tip (the IRS estimates and taxes their tips so if you don't tip, they still get taxed on that phantom tip)
But if they don't give you good service, just give them this tip: "do better next time", that is, if you ever go back
But if they don't give you good service, just give them this tip: "do better next time", that is, if you ever go back
I've eaten at many places, and out of the hundreds of places I've eaten at, only two restaurants have demanded a tip.
The first restaurant was a get & grill your own food restaurant where you get charged by the plate that required minimal service by the waiters/waitresses. Now, mind you this restaurant accepted CASH ONLY, and between the four of us, we had BARELY enough cash on hand to cover the cost of the dinner and a 10% tip.
Well, the lady rings up our table, and we all scrounge our pockets and hand her the money + tip. She counts it, then has says "hey, that's not a 15% tip!". Nevertheless, I never came back to that restaurant.
My second experience came just yesterday during dinner. We were a party of 3, and had sat down and ordered our food. It took about 30-40 minutes before our food came out. During the course of the dinner, we got no attention from the servers despite the fact that we needed our drinks refilled. Well when the time came to pay for the bill, my buddy charged it on his card and left a 5% tip. The lady immediately made a comment about tip not being 15%.
Well, I was pretty pissed so I told them sorry, I'll pay for it. So they swiped my card and gave me a new receipt. I left a big ZERO, literally spelled it out in capital letters, and told the lady to not demand a good tip when your service was horrible. That was the first and last time I'll be going to that restaurant.
The first restaurant was a get & grill your own food restaurant where you get charged by the plate that required minimal service by the waiters/waitresses. Now, mind you this restaurant accepted CASH ONLY, and between the four of us, we had BARELY enough cash on hand to cover the cost of the dinner and a 10% tip.
Well, the lady rings up our table, and we all scrounge our pockets and hand her the money + tip. She counts it, then has says "hey, that's not a 15% tip!". Nevertheless, I never came back to that restaurant.
My second experience came just yesterday during dinner. We were a party of 3, and had sat down and ordered our food. It took about 30-40 minutes before our food came out. During the course of the dinner, we got no attention from the servers despite the fact that we needed our drinks refilled. Well when the time came to pay for the bill, my buddy charged it on his card and left a 5% tip. The lady immediately made a comment about tip not being 15%.
Well, I was pretty pissed so I told them sorry, I'll pay for it. So they swiped my card and gave me a new receipt. I left a big ZERO, literally spelled it out in capital letters, and told the lady to not demand a good tip when your service was horrible. That was the first and last time I'll be going to that restaurant.
nik, you claim that your "ex" worked as a waitress. i didnt know that only your right hand could get a job. its interesting. and i think it explains a lot. did someone not tip your hand when it was working? was there a hair in their food, from your furry palms? was their food cold because you were too busy writing a self-righteous rant on atot? or was it that your dad was a waiter and didnt hug you enough when you were a kid? oh.. i think i got it. you found some propaganda in your hitler youth handbook about the service industry, so in the spirit of oregons "independent" thinking, you decided to accept nazi view in its fullest. well, in any event, you make me sick, mein fuhrer!
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