What do you think of BOSE?

[Viperoni]

<< BUZZ!! No, sorry wrong answer. I know there is a difference because I've tried using various cable until I found something I was happy with. I avoided any placebo affect by having several other people over, and having one change cables while the rest of us listened. Until you have done the same with your system, your view has little meaning >>



Was it a blind ABX test?
Probably not...



<< The "Golden Ears" might say differently, but there are more important components to spend money on then speaker wire. >>



*cough* like your actual speakers *cough*

 

[Salvador]

I keep on hearing people bash Bose, but please give me a concrete reason why Bose sucks?

Sal

 

[Muadib]

Was it a blind ABX test?
It was a blind test because we couldn't see which cable was being used. I'm not sure what you mean by ABX.

 

[teriba]

I agree that Bose blows, but Klipsch is not far behind. The only people who purchase Klipsch are computer people as they DO make the best computer speakers. This is only because other companies don't want to tarnish their reputation by delving into the computer speaker market. Good computer speakers is an oxymoron and does not translate into good home audio speakers as well.

Computer sound
Audigy
Pioneer SA-8500II Integrated Amp
JBL floor standers

Home theater
Pioneer receiver
JVC DVD
Technics CD
Panasonic 32" TV
Pardigm's all around including 300W sub

Listening room
Nakamichi electronics
B&W floor standers

 

[Muadib]

My view has no meaning? Fine you simple minded F-tard. My view has no meaning? Fine you simple minded F-tard. How about the writers of Stereo Review and Sound and Vision.Does their view have meaning? Professional audiophiles can't tell the difference in most domestic applications. Read the link I posted above

Yes, because it's not really your view, you are just reciting what you read elsewhere. I could do the same, but what would it prove. Until you try it out yourself, you don't really know one way or the other. I never said you had to go with Monster or some other name brand. There are plenty of no name brands that cost not much more than 12 gauge.

Fine you simple minded F-tard.
Did someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning???

 

[DanJ]

<< I keep on hearing people bash Bose, but please give me a concrete reason why Bose sucks? >>



Perhaps you're not reading anything that is being said...

Start by reading this.

If you haven't figured it out by then, post a reply and I'll find you something else to read.

 

[GasX]

<< Yes, because it's not really your view, you are just reciting what you read elsewhere. I could do the same, but what would it prove. Until you try it out yourself, you don't really know one way or the other. I never said you had to go with Monster or some other name brand. There are plenty of no name brands that cost not much more than 12 gauge. >>

It most certainly is my view. I can tell from you remarks that you didn't read the article. I can also tell from your original remark ("There's a huge difference, but is it worth it to you? That's something only you can decide, but to knock something without trying it first is foolish.") I have tried it and I use 14 gauge lamp wire.

 

[Lithium381]

dug up from the grave! I think i've already commented on this one a few times.....they have decent quality, but not for the price..

 

[Maverick]

I think you've all convinced everyone that Bose is overpriced and that there are much better alternatives in the same price range. Give it a rest.

 

[beamrider]

I notice that most of you are only mentioning the cube setups, but what about the infamous 901's? Do they "suck" "blow" "etc" also?

 

[DanJ]

Yes, the 901's follow the same sort of "poorness." In fact, Bose SUED Consumer Reports for their review of the 901s which gave them less then favorable marks. SUED a magazine for an honest review??? Yep, that's Bose for you.

But did Bose win? Nope, in fact, the Court found that the evidence of other reviews followed the same such fates, giving the Bose 901's less then high marks, and therefore sided with Consumer Reports.

The Bose 901's are so sonically innaccurate they are laughable. Yes, they're powerful, yes they play loud; but accurately? Not at all. Their is no soundstage, their is no imaging; the 901's made a *very much differenet* sound then most any other system of its time, even if it was completely innacurate in its representation.

SO I guess if you don't like the art of making and correctly listening to music as it was meant to be heard, the 901's may be for you.

 

[S0me1X]

bleh.

 

[DanJ]

<< bleh >>

Informative post from a Golden Member.

 

[kgraeme]

Oh crap. I'm having thread flashbacks. Is anyone else seeing this? I'm going backwards in time! Nurse!

 

[ThisIsMatt]

<< What do you think of BOSE? >>

There alright, I don't have much to compare them to (my dad has 3 pairs of 901s and 3 or so pairs of 801s).

That said, I doubt 70% of the people posting in this thread have *really* compared different quality speaker setups (come on, most of the people here are 19 yo college students living in 2'x2' cells).

 

[Grminalac]

should be renamed BLOWS

 

[DanJ]

<< That said, I doubt 70% of the people posting in this thread have *really* compared different quality speaker setups (come on, most of the people here are 19 yo college students living in 2'x2' cells). >>



Well...to remove myself from this categorization....I'm 20 and in college but not in a 2'x2' cell..rather a somewhat roomy apartment.. and I have a VERY quality setup consisting of:

Axiom Audio M50Ti's (L/R)
Axiom Audio VP100 (CC)
Axiom Audio M3Ti's (SL/SR)
Pinnacle Digital Sub 350 (LFE)

I've compared mine to multiple JBLs, multiple Polks, some DIY speakers of my parents, Bose (in their little audio rooms at stores), Cerwin Vega, Paradigm, etc...

Bose is overpriced and overhyped; they're selling you their name that the uninformed population believes is gods gift to speakers, when in reality its just plain poor. Maybe if they were priced at 1/10 of what they are they wouldn't get so battered by the informed public.

 

[RanDum72]

What are they hiding? They're hiding the fact that < 2 inch drivers cannot reproduce anywhere near a solid spectrum.

So, do you think that anybody else can make 2-inch speakers that sound as good as theirs? If you compare them to larger speakers, then yes, larger speakers may sound better. But they are 2 INCH DRIVERS that sound amazingly good for their size. Obviously, small speakers will have limits but for their size ( and intended function of having good sound with small size), they are amazing.

 

[DanJ]

<< So, do you think that anybody else can make 2-inch speakers that sound as good as theirs? If you compare them to larger speakers, then yes, larger speakers may sound better. But they are 2 INCH DRIVERS that sound amazingly good for their size. Obviously, small speakers will have limits but for their size ( and intended function of having good sound with small size), they are amazing. >>



No...they would be *good* if they cost $200 (which would still be above cost)...for $1000+ they are a joke.

 

[RanDum72]

You've clearly not heard any decent speakers if you can say that Bose can *easily beat* any speakers in their price range... their price range should be about $300...not > $1000.

Well, clearly, your bias seems to be towards Bose's cube speakers. The 301 IV that I'm talking about (my neighbors) are NOT cube speakers and they are currently $298 a pair and they sound clearly as good if not better, than any other speaker in their price range. I have a neighborhood that likes speakers ( I have Polk speakers, one neighbor has Bose, one has Klipsch, one has Paradigm, another has Energy, etc...) We all agreed that $250-600 is the sweet spot for bookshelf speakers and on weekends, we sometimes bring our speakers for a "sound-off" over a twelve pack. Everyon agrees that each speaker ahs certain qualities but overall, sound quality is generally very good without a particular speaker coming out on top ( and our judgement were not impaired by too much beer either)
so I stand by my claim that the Bose 301's are just as good, if not better, as any speaker in its price range.

Oh, as for the link, do you think that guy had any credibility AT ALL? He's a Bose-basher and his opinion is too subjective (i.e filled with hate) to take seriously. His point about "speaker materials" is really misleading. So a titanium-dome tweeter with regular magnets, high resonance, sibilance and without fluid-cooling will sound better than a paper-cone tweeter that has neodimium magnets, smooth output and fluid-cooling? I'll take the paper-cone tweets anytime if IT SOUNDS BETTER.

 

[RanDum72]

No...they would be *good* if they cost $200 (which would still be above cost)...for $1000+ they are a joke.

Do you just listen to them WITHOUT the bass module and expect them to reproduce bass? THats the whole point of the design, have a bass module that reproduces bass, hide the module and just have tiny speakers that are visible. The Acoustimass 3 is just $299 if you whine about the price. The Acoustimass 15 with 5 dual cubes and the bass module is $1299 ( according to crutchfield) while a Sony 6-piece system with sub is $999. Speakers in general, as long as they have a "name" on it, is generally overpriced so why whine about it?

 

[DanJ]

<< We all agreed that $250-600 is the sweet spot for bookshelf speakers and on weekends, we sometimes bring our speakers for a "sound-off" over a twelve pack. Everyon agrees that each speaker ahs certain qualities but overall, sound quality is generally very good without a particular speaker coming out on top ( and our judgement were not impaired by too much beer either) >>



Do you not find it disturbing that you can't get a frequency analysis on any Bose products? You can't see how they handle (or lack there of) lows, mids and highs? Do you find it disturbing that there are zero to few professional reviews of Bose products because of fear that Bose will SUE people for less then steller reviews.

Bose is a company that thrives on consumer ignorance, if you want to help a company like this go right ahead; just rest assured you're not getting back what you're paying in; the quality is just not there. Companies like Axiom, Swan, Paradigm, etc... provide performance that goes over the price you paid...Bose provides performance that is quite under what you paid; plus you'll never truly get a straight answer of what your speakers can actually achive.

Try reading this Bose FAQ...its enlightening.

To show an example of what I said above, check this thread out. A potential customer actually straight up asks Bose for frequency repsonse stats, and the Bose people FLAT OUT DENY him that information....what could they be hiding? POOR PERFORMANCE for the price.

 

[RanDum72]

Do you not find it disturbing that you can't get a frequency analysis on any Bose products? You can't see how they handle (or lack there of) lows, mids and highs? Do you find it disturbing that there are zero to few professional reviews of Bose products because of fear that Bose will SUE people for less then steller reviews.

If thats all what you're concerned about instead of actual sound , then more power to you. Specs are good, but real world performance is more important. I don't need any frequency analysis to convince my ear that they have highs, mids and lows. They HAVE IT and they sound very good.

 

[DanJ]

<< Do you just listen to them WITHOUT the bass module and expect them to reproduce bass? THats the whole point of the design, have a bass module that reproduces bass, hide the module and just have tiny speakers that are visible. The Acoustimass 3 is just $299 if you whine about the price. The Acoustimass 15 with 5 dual cubes and the bass module is $1299 ( according to crutchfield) while a Sony 6-piece system with sub is $999. Speakers in general, as long as they have a "name" on it, is generally overpriced so why whine about it? >>



LoL thank you for bringing up the much laughed at "basS module." I enjoy how they can't call it a subwoofer, yet have to create some kind of dumbed down probably what they think *innovative* term for a speaker that is a horrible solution for a subwoofer. How low does that BASS MODULE go? 20Hz, 25Hz, 30Hz, 40Hz?... this is a horrible horrible idea from Bose to make this proprietary piece of garbage. This isn't a subwoofer that plugs in via standard subwoofer ideology...nope this bass module has to use it's own dumbed down proprietary connections...

The bass module is such crap..... it has to be the funniest *innovation* yet.

 

[DanJ]

<< If thats all what you're concerned about instead of actual sound , then more power to you. Specs are good, but real world performance is more important. I don't need any frequency analysis to convince my ear that they have highs, mids and lows. They HAVE IT and they sound very good. >>



LoL you can't HEAR what Frequencies can't be PRODUCED now can you??????

Frequency analysis determines how well speakers perform as they go through the sonic spectrum...if a speaker cannot produce a range YOU CANNOT HEAR IT. YOU CANNOT HEAR WHAT CANNOT BE PRODUCED.

This is how a quality bookshelf should perform. Frequency response on the Bose satelites would be laughable..

If you heard a QUALITY speaker as the one I listed above (Axiom M3Ti.. $225), you would hear never heard before detail in your music. What you're hearing is something different entirely.

"No highs, no lows, must be Bose."