What do you think AMD's response to GTX 1050 and GTX 1050 Ti will be?

[vissarix]

Amd will lower the prices as they always do, thats all they can do.

 

[AtenRa]

Amd will lower the prices as they always do, thats all they can do.

As there are no AMD competitors to GP104, there is no NV competitor to RX 460 since early August.
RX 460 4GB selling for $145 for almost 3 months, they can now lower the price when GTX 1050 launch.

 

[LTC8K6]

It will not be 75W and will cost even closer to RX 470 4GB.

RX470 is 120W.
Plenty of room for a 90W 1050ti with some nice boost?

 

[AtenRa]

RX470 is 120W.
Plenty of room for a 90W 1050ti with some nice boost?

Yes but im not expecting any 90W GTX 1050Ti to reach RX 470 performance, especially in DX-12.

 

[DamZe]

Except that we already have rumors of high 1050ti boost clocks, presumably with a power connector...
So I guess we need to wait and see how the reviews fall out.
What if we have a 1050ti at $150 with a power connector and high boost clock?

Even with 6-pin power connector the 1050Ti is weak sauce, there is only so much a high clock speed can do until you hit a wall with the 768 shaders, limited ROPs and 128-bit bus, god please no.... The RX470 is head and shoulders above it for a nigh identical price point.

 

[vissarix]

As there are no AMD competitors to GP104, there is no NV competitor to RX 460 since early August.
RX 460 4GB selling for $145 for almost 3 months, they can now lower the price when GTX 1050 launch.

it looks nice on paper, but reality is no one bought the rx460....just take a look at steam surveys...it doesnt even appear on the list were gtx 1060/1080 ar selling like hotcakes...this means if the rx460 wasnt doing good before without competition, definitely wont do good now that the gtx1050 is coming

 

[LTC8K6]

Even with 6-pin power connector the 1050Ti is weak sauce, there is only so much a high clock speed can do until you hit a wall with the 768 shaders, limited ROPs and 128-bit bus, god please no.... The RX470 is head and shoulders above it for a nigh identical price point.

NV just needs it to be a good replacement for it's previous cards. NV doesn't need it to be faster than an RX470. Have they compared it to AMD cards?

 

[AtenRa]

it looks nice on paper, but reality is no one bought the rx460....just take a look at steam surveys...it doesnt even appear on the list were gtx 1060/1080 ar selling like hotcakes...this means if the rx460 wasnt doing good before without competition, definitely wont do good now that the gtx1050 is coming

Sorry but Steam Hardware Survey is a joke, there are no RX400 in DX-12 cards in latest survey and we all know a lot of them were sold the last 3 months. Funny thing is, they were included in the last survey.
RX 460 4GB $145 price was also a joke, but AMD milked it as far as they could because NV had nothing new to counter. Now RX 460 price will fall where is had to be in the first place and that is at $99.
Thats what competition does

 

[LTC8K6]

Top 20 at Amazon is dominated by NV. Only a single AMD card there, an RX480. Mostly 1070 and 1060 cards.

 

[AtenRa]

Top 20 at Amazon is dominated by NV. Only a single AMD card there, an RX480. Mostly 1070 and 1060 cards.

Other Amazons globally have more RX400 cards in top 20, but nobody ever said RX400 cards had the higher sales volumes.

 

[Dribble]

Sorry but Steam Hardware Survey is a joke, there are no RX400 in DX-12 cards in latest survey and we all know a lot of them were sold the last 3 months. Funny thing is, they were included in the last survey.

I see RX480, 470 and 460 in the September steam survey: http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/directx/
In DX12 gpu's:
480 has 0.18%
470 has 0.05%
460 has 0.02%

For comparison:
1080 has 0.57%
1070 has 0.87%
1060 has 0.46%

*edit* oh, I see I have reached the pinnacle for message count. It's all down hill from here

 

[Phynaz]

As there are no AMD competitors to GP104, there is no NV competitor to RX 460 since early August.
RX 460 4GB selling for $145 for almost 3 months, they can now lower the price when GTX 1050 launch.

You're saying Nvidia partners haven't been selling $150 video cards for the last three months, which would be incorrect of course.

 

[linkgoron]

I think that they'll just do some price cuts.

I believe that they might refresh their whole lineup at the Vega launch (i.e. 465/475/485 Polaris + 490/Fury with Vega), assuming they've actually refined their process or architecture. However, if the 1050/ti really have measurably worse performance characteristics than their TSMC counterparts (i.e., 16FF+ is just significantly better than 14nm LPP and it's not only GF's fault), I wonder what AMD can do to fix it.

 

[Phynaz]

I think that they'll just do some price cuts.

It's all they can do. They can't magically produce a competing product in weeks. Especially in that power envelope.

 

[Bacon1]

What I think is funny is we've heard for months that the low end is worthless and AMD was silly for trying to sell there instead of going high end. Now that Nvidia finally has a low end part it's an important metric again.

 

[AtenRa]

I see RX480, 470 and 460 in the September steam survey: http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/directx/
In DX12 gpu's:
480 has 0.18%
470 has 0.05%
460 has 0.02%

For comparison:
1080 has 0.57%
1070 has 0.87%
1060 has 0.46%

*edit* oh, I see I have reached the pinnacle for message count. It's all down hill from here

Ahh well, I was looking at DX-12 graphics cards, the link you posted is for DX-12 systems (Win 10 only).

But anyway, i dont see why we brought Steam survey in to play here in the first place.

 

[AtenRa]

You're saying Nvidia partners haven't been selling $150 video cards for the last three months, which would be incorrect of course.

I was saying there is no new graphics card in the RX 460 segment from NV, much like no new card from AMD in the GTX 1070/80 segment.

 

[crisium]

AMD should bring consumer versions of those Polaris professional cards that were announced.

Full 1024SP Polaris 11 to compete with GTX 1050 for the same price.
Further cut 1792SP Polaris 10 to compete with GTX 1050 Ti for the same price.

And of course RX 460 should be lowered below GTX 1050 price.

This would add 2 cards between 460 and 470 so name them what you will.

But the truth is 460 and 470 has a stupidly large gap. 896SP 16ROP 128-bit vs 2048SP 32ROP 256-bit. Unprecedented by either company in the modern era.

Even changing this to a 1024SP vs 1792SP gap still leaves room, but with the full P10 being over double a P11 there's not much you can do since you can only cut a chip so much before it seems wasteful. But it will enable a more even fight vs Nvidia than right now where 460 looks too weak and 470 "too strong".

 

[DamZe]

NV just needs it to be a good replacement for it's previous cards. NV doesn't need it to be faster than an RX470. Have they compared it to AMD cards?

No they haven't which is also one of my points. They are comparing it to the dinosaur Non Ti GTX 650 and GTX 750Ti. It's not hard for nVIDIA to make the 1050Ti look good compared to those ancient offerings.

 

[kawi6rr]

it looks nice on paper, but reality is no one bought the rx460....just take a look at steam surveys...it doesnt even appear on the list were gtx 1060/1080 ar selling like hotcakes...this means if the rx460 wasnt doing good before without competition, definitely wont do good now that the gtx1050 is coming

None of my cards show up on the steam survey because I don't participate in the steam survey so how can people still think the steam survey is legitimate? This just gets throw around to try to prove a point.

 

[Mondozei]

For the US market: If AMD is smart, they should do nothing. Lowering prices on RX 460 and 470 will not translate into NV user conversion. AMD has wiped the floor in price/performance with previous GTS450/550Ti, 650/650Ti, 750/750Ti videocards and none of that translated into increased market share. What AMD needs to do is stop worrying about NV and focus on improving its own product line, while keeping prices fixed. Dropping prices on 470/480 will just mean lost profits to AMD/objective PC gamers who were going to buy those cards anyway.

Where AMD needs to focus instead is the horrible pricing in Europe/Asia/Russia and South America. Outside of North America, many AMD cards are priced well above US MSRP. In Russia, RX 480 costs 25-40% more than GTX 1060 models.

AMD is too focused on the North American market, while there is a lot of growth/improvement that can be made elsewhere. Even if AMD were to drop RX 470 to $139, the 1050Ti would still outsell it in US/Canada. AMD needs to stop wasting time on this market and focus on the worldwide market where in many countries the supply and pricing of AMD cards is simply horrible.

Straight from top Russian YouTubers, in Russia, NV/AIBs offer stores credit terms while AMD/AIBs want full upfront payment. There is no chance anyone there will be interested in ordering $500,000+ of AMD cards to sit on store shelves with such terms. AMD needs to refocus on high in population PC markets such as China, Brazil, Russia, etc. In those markets game bundles won't work well either since most people there pirate games. AMD should offer game bundles in the US instead of lowering prices, but get worldwide pricing under control.

Right now with $180 RX 480 4GB, AMD needs to do nothing to combat the 1050Ti. Based on the beating RX 470/480 give to GTX 960 and how close those AMD cards are to 1060, even if GTX1050Ti is 20% faster than the 960, it's still not good enough. Any PC gamer who cannot see the value that $180 RX 480 is offering 90-95% of performance of a $250-300 GTX1060 6GB wouldn't buy discounted RX 470/480 against 1050Ti anyway. Once we look at DX12 performance and 480 wins in big titles like Battlefield 1, for $30-40 more from 1050Ti, RX 470/480 offer a totally different level of AAA gaming experience at 1080p.

Furthermore, 1050Ti's overall performance value is completely eroded by the fact that lower end GPUs benefit THE most from adaptive sync. If we add the price of RX 470/480 + 1080p FreeSync monitor against GTX1050Ti + GSync monitor, it's a complete blow out.

Finally, it is STILL possible to make at least $25/month mining with RX 470/480. That alone makes GTX1050/1050Ti irrelevant for a technically saver gamer who doesn't mind using their graphics cards to make $. Once again the GTX1050/1050Ti will appeal to average Joes who shop at BestBuy or buy crappy OEM pre-builts. Technically savvy PC gamers who bother to read this forum will pay for at least 50% of RX 470/480 over the next 6 months of Ethereum mining.

Quality post. It never ceases to amaze me how badly AMD GPUs are priced in large parts of Europe.

 

[Denly]

Release a 1/2 height P11 card, rather it is 450 or 460. It will fly off the shelf.

 

[mohit9206]

Quality post. It never ceases to amaze me how badly AMD GPUs are priced in large parts of Europe.

Asia as well. AMD not having direct control over retailers and distributors means they can't control the prices outside America like Nvidia can which leads to AMD cards being more expensive than Nvdia's.
Koduri or whoever is in charge of global operations needs to fix this ASAP.

 

[Pariah]

What I think is funny is we've heard for months that the low end is worthless and AMD was silly for trying to sell there instead of going high end. Now that Nvidia finally has a low end part it's an important metric again.

How about quoting the person who said that instead of just making baseless claims in an attempt to preach to the choir?

The lowend is not important to Nvidia. Certainly not from a profits perspective. They are currently dominating the dgpu market like no company ever has based on revenue and profits despite not having an update lowend card. Them entering the low end now is simply kicking AMD while they are down. AMD's public strategy was to target the low and midrange in order to increase marketshare.

Refer back to the marketshare thread and look how many posters ignored the surrounding numbers and said they didn't care about them only that AMD had a higher quarterly marketshare. Now that Nvidia has filled out their product stack and the manufacturing shortages appear to be subsiding, what magic is AMD going to use to maintain the fool's gold marketshare they gained in q2? They will have to lower prices if their reason for going low/mid really was marketshare now that their is legitimate competition from Nvidia.

 

[AtenRa]

I really dont see why people believe that lowering the price of RX 460 4GB from $145 to $99-109 is a bad thing for AMD. The RX 460 4GB at $145 was way overpriced for that card, and now that the competition will bring a new competitor card at $109, AMD will have to price the RX 460 4GB at a more sensible price of lets say $99. If AMD had competition in that segment back in early August when RX 460 was launched, they would have priced RX 460 4GB at lower price than $145.