What do you think AMD's response to GTX 1050 and GTX 1050 Ti will be?

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Initially full Polaris 11 die (ie, 16 CUs = 1024sp) with 4GB VRAM positioned against GTX 1050 2GB?

This with a very short but efficient cooler for use in all full width Pre-built desktops?

P.S. Does anyone think they may also offer a coupon (aimed at DIY market) for bundling CPUs? ( EDIT: For the existing stock of RX460s with larger form factor and/or 6 pin power connector see this post---> https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...nd-gtx-1050-ti-will-be.2489359/#post-38527500 )
 
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Looking at current Newegg listings for RX460 I am bit concerned about compatibility in the typical full width ATX Pre-builts:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709 8000 601206353&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&ActiveSearchResult=True&Order=PRICE&PageSize=36

This one will obviously work in any machine:

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But this one (even though it doesn't have the 6 pin power connector) I am doubtful will fit all Pre-builts:

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It depends on how performance and pricing play out, but AMD has a huge gap between the 460 and 470, and they desperately will need something to fill that gap. Despite all the hype about how AMD made a genius decision to go after the 200.00 market, nVidia will have a much more balanced lineup across the board after these 2 cards arrive.
 

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They will do what both companies always do... throw 'free' games into the mix.

That makes a lot of sense, but looking at the larger form factor and/or inclusion of 6 pin power connector of some of those RX460s I see listed on Newegg I think AMD should also include some kind of discount coupon for AMD CPUs purchased alongside a RX460. This to encourage DIY uptake of both AMD CPU and RX460s.
 
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Just lower the price?

I bought the Powercolor RX 460 2GB for $85 AR. At $109, the GTX 1050 2GB would have to outperform it by 30% to be better price/perf ratio. Which seems unlikely.

The RX 470 4GB being around $150-160 would be pretty compelling.

Newegg has an MSI RX 480 4GB for $180 AR, which makes it better positioned than the GTX 1060 3GB, IMO.
 

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Looking at the GTX 1050/Ti launch cards below I see six that will definitely fit in any full width Pre-built and only three that may have compatibility issues due to the extra length:

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It would be nice to see the next entry level AMD video card launch be more like what we are seeing above.
 
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They have multiple that will fit in any machine:

MSI: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137028

XFX: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150780

Even fanless: http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/xfx-to-release-a-fanless-radeon-rx-460-graphics-card.html

The 460 was always bad value though and I don't think the 1050 will be any better. Weak cards like these while nice boost over integrated graphics are pretty poor price/perf overall.

1050 Ti might be semi fast, but its competing with the 470 not the 460. 460 has been at / under $100 for a while now and 470 has been closer to $200 due to demand but guessing it will go down under $175 for the 4GB.
 
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They have multiple that will fit in any machine:

MSI: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137028

XFX: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150780

Even fanless: http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/xfx-to-release-a-fanless-radeon-rx-460-graphics-card.html

The 460 was always bad value though and I don't think the 1050 will be any better. Weak cards like these while nice boost over integrated graphics are pretty poor price/perf overall.

1050 Ti might be semi fast, but its competing with the 470 not the 460. 460 has been at / under $100 for a while now and 470 has been closer to $200 due to demand but guessing it will go down under $175 for the 4GB.
Actually at 139.00, the 1050 Ti nicely fills a gap *between* the 460 and 470. To be honest, for the entry level gamer, that seems like a great spot. For 1080p medium-ish settings, the 470 is really more powerful than you need, while the 460 is borderline powerful enough at best. a 1050Ti at 40 to 60 dollars cheaper than a 470, but powerful enough for moderately demanding 1080p gaming would be exactly the kind of card I am looking for. I never did understand AMD's spacing of the 4xx cards. Two cards so close together, and a third card far weaker.
 
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They have multiple that will fit in any machine:

MSI: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137028

XFX: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150780

Even fanless: http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/xfx-to-release-a-fanless-radeon-rx-460-graphics-card.html

The 460 was always bad value though and I don't think the 1050 will be any better. Weak cards like these while nice boost over integrated graphics are pretty poor price/perf overall.

1050 Ti might be semi fast, but its competing with the 470 not the 460. 460 has been at / under $100 for a while now and 470 has been closer to $200 due to demand but guessing it will go down under $175 for the 4GB.

I do acknowledge that there are Short RX460 cards, but looking at the current 13 listings on Newegg (see post #4 for link) I only see three of them that make this category. This, in contrast, to the Nvidia cards in post #8 where 6 out of 9 fit this category.
 

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Actually at 139.00, the 1050 Ti nicely fills a gap *between* the 460 and 470. To be honest, for the entry level gamer, that seems like a great spot. For 1080p medium-ish settings, the 470 is really more powerful than you need, while the 460 is borderline powerful enough at best. a 1050Ti at 40 to 60 dollars cheaper than a 470, but powerful enough for moderately demanding 1080p gaming would be exactly the kind of card I am looking for. I never did understand AMD's spacing of the 4xx cards. Two cards so close together, and a third card far weaker.

MSRP for 470 is $170-180, they are just priced higher because of demand. I mean right now the MSI 480 4GB Gaming X is cheaper than the 470 version on newegg :O

$140 -> 170 is $30 difference, or 20%, not sure if the 1050 Ti will clear that performance gap and Amd can lower the 470 4gb to $150-160 to reduce that by a lot. Also we'll probably see the 1050 ti selling above that $140 MSRP like all new cards this generation.

I do acknowledge that there are Short RX460 cards, but looking at the current 13 listings on Newegg (see post #4 for link) I only see three of them that make this category. This, in contrast, to the Nvidia cards in post #8 where 6 out of 9 fit this category.

Well you just posted the one ugly one :p, I posted the two cheaper and nicer looking ones.
 

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if AMD wants to do some damage, remember the rumored RX 470 price? $149? that would do it I think.
also 460 4GB for $99.
 
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For the US market: If AMD is smart, they should do nothing. Lowering prices on RX 460 and 470 will not translate into NV user conversion. AMD has wiped the floor in price/performance with previous GTS450/550Ti, 650/650Ti, 750/750Ti videocards and none of that translated into increased market share. What AMD needs to do is stop worrying about NV and focus on improving its own product line, while keeping prices fixed. Dropping prices on 470/480 will just mean lost profits to AMD/objective PC gamers who were going to buy those cards anyway.

Where AMD needs to focus instead is the horrible pricing in Europe/Asia/Russia and South America. Outside of North America, many AMD cards are priced well above US MSRP. In Russia, RX 480 costs 25-40% more than GTX 1060 models.

AMD is too focused on the North American market, while there is a lot of growth/improvement that can be made elsewhere. Even if AMD were to drop RX 470 to $139, the 1050Ti would still outsell it in US/Canada. AMD needs to stop wasting time on this market and focus on the worldwide market where in many countries the supply and pricing of AMD cards is simply horrible.

Straight from top Russian YouTubers, in Russia, NV/AIBs offer stores credit terms while AMD/AIBs want full upfront payment. There is no chance anyone there will be interested in ordering $500,000+ of AMD cards to sit on store shelves with such terms. AMD needs to refocus on high in population PC markets such as China, Brazil, Russia, etc. In those markets game bundles won't work well either since most people there pirate games. AMD should offer game bundles in the US instead of lowering prices, but get worldwide pricing under control.

Right now with $180 RX 480 4GB, AMD needs to do nothing to combat the 1050Ti. Based on the beating RX 470/480 give to GTX 960 and how close those AMD cards are to 1060, even if GTX1050Ti is 20% faster than the 960, it's still not good enough. Any PC gamer who cannot see the value that $180 RX 480 is offering 90-95% of performance of a $250-300 GTX1060 6GB wouldn't buy discounted RX 470/480 against 1050Ti anyway. Once we look at DX12 performance and 480 wins in big titles like Battlefield 1, for $30-40 more from 1050Ti, RX 470/480 offer a totally different level of AAA gaming experience at 1080p.

Furthermore, 1050Ti's overall performance value is completely eroded by the fact that lower end GPUs benefit THE most from adaptive sync. If we add the price of RX 470/480 + 1080p FreeSync monitor against GTX1050Ti + GSync monitor, it's a complete blow out.

Finally, it is STILL possible to make at least $25/month mining with RX 470/480. That alone makes GTX1050/1050Ti irrelevant for a technically saver gamer who doesn't mind using their graphics cards to make $. Once again the GTX1050/1050Ti will appeal to average Joes who shop at BestBuy or buy crappy OEM pre-builts. Technically savvy PC gamers who bother to read this forum will pay for at least 50% of RX 470/480 over the next 6 months of Ethereum mining.
 
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if AMD wants to do some damage, remember the rumored RX 470 price? $149? that would do it I think.
also 460 4GB for $99.

RX 470 for $149? You are joking right. $130-190 R9 270/270X destroyed $150 750Ti by 30-44% in games and didn't even make a dent.

https://www.computerbase.de/2015-01...-im-test/3/#abschnitt_leistungsratings_spiele

It's a waste of time to fight NV fans with price drops. All that's going to do is lose profits for AMD. They are better off spending $ by working with AAA developers on more DX12 titles. Maxwell's and Paxwell's performance is unimpressive under DX12. Invest $ into the biggest 5-6 AAA 2017 DX12 games and that will sell more AMD cards than just lowering prices. Next year, they should refresh the entire RX400 line.

The funny part is that even if AMD lowered the price of RX470 to $149, people on here would still recommend 1050/1050Ti for 6-pinless power connector or 75W TDP reasons. 750/750Ti say hello.

Straight out of NV's marketing playbook: increase the value of 1050Ti by marketing it as a close competitor to RX 470, instead of focusing how RX 470 is much closer to GTX1060 than 1050Ti is to the RX 470. Let's also ignore how RX 470 has an additional 20% performance scaling that makes it faster than RX 480!
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_radeon_rx_470_gaming_x_8gb_review,33.html

Comparing $140 1050Ti OC to $170-180 RX 470 OC will be a slaughter of epic proportions, especially since in some big AAA titles a stock RX 470 is trading blows or is within 5-10% of the GTX 1060!
 

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the official 270x price was a lot higher than the 750 ti one for a while, also it was an older rebranded product,
dropping the official price of the 470 to $149 NOW, at the same time the 1050 ti is launched would be effective.
 

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GTX 750ti vs R9 270/X is not the same as GTX 1050ti vs RX 470.

R9 270/X were 2 years older chips with a huge TDP difference vs GTX 750Ti (150/180W TDP vs 60W TDP), add better Video decoders for the GTX 750 and it was a no brainer for lots of people to go the GTX750ti route.
This time both AMD and NV chips are new (almost same features) and TDP difference is lower (RX 470 120W TDP vs GTX 1050Ti 75W TDP).

Only those with less than 250-300W PSUs will need to go for the 75W TDP GTX 1050Ti so again its not the same situation.
Also, lets wait and see how big performance difference RX 470 at DX-12 will have vs GTX 1050Ti.
 

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the official 270x price was a lot higher than the 750 ti one for a while, also it was an older rebranded product,
dropping the official price of the 470 to $149 NOW, at the same time the 1050 ti is launched would be effective.

No need to get the RX 470 4GB to $150, the card has no competition at $170-180. This card is a direct competitor to the GTX 1060 3GB and not the GTX 1050Ti.

Edit: I believe this is how product segmentation will be

RX 460 2GB = $85
RX 460 4GB = $99

GTX 1050 2GB = $109

RX 465 4GB (Full P11) = $115 (?)

GTX 1050Ti 4GB = $139

RX 470 4GB = $175

RX 480 4GB = $199
GTX 1060 3GB $199

RX 480 8GB = $240
GTX 1060 6GB = $250
 
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Where AMD needs to focus instead is the horrible pricing in Europe/Asia/Russia and South America. Outside of North America, many AMD cards are priced well above US MSRP. In Russia, RX 480 costs 25-40% more than GTX 1060 models.

AMD is too focused on the North American market, while there is a lot of growth/improvement that can be made elsewhere. Even if AMD were to drop RX 470 to $139, the 1050Ti would still outsell it in US/Canada. AMD needs to stop wasting time on this market and focus on the worldwide market where in many countries the supply and pricing of AMD cards is simply horrible.

From too Russian YouTubers, in Russia, NV/AIBs offer stores credit terms while AMD/AIBs want upfront payment. There is no chance anyone there will be interested in ordering $500,000+ of AMD cards to sit on store shelves with such terms. AMD needs to refocus on high in population PC markets such as China, Brazil, Russia, etc. In those markets game bundles won't work well either since most people there pirate games. AMD should offer game bundles in the US instead of lowering prices, but get worldwide pricing under control.

I wonder what pricing of Pre-built desktops (the type of desktop likely to be used with GTX 1050 Ti and GTX 1050) looks like in the countries you mentioned?

If the price is higher than expected then perhaps an AMD CPU/APU plus AMD dGPU coupon/rebate for DIYers would work even better in those countries you mentioned than it would work here in the United States?
 
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AMD currently has the FX CPUs at what appears to be regular price at Newegg, but has added Deus EX Mankind Divided game code:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007671 50001028 600213781&Manufactory=1028

Perhaps another option would be to add additional game codes for those that purchased FX CPU and AMD dGPU either together or within a certain time apart from each other?

Example:

1 game code for FX6350
2 game codes for FX8350
1 game code for RX460
2 game codes for RX470 or RX480
3 game codes for FX6350 + RX460 (rather than two game codes if purchased separately)
6 game codes for FX8350 + RX470 or RX480 (rather than four game codes if purchased separately)

With that mentioned, that still doesn't address the markets Russian Sensation mentioned in this post where game piracy can be a problem.

AMD needs to refocus on high in population PC markets such as China, Brazil, Russia, etc. In those markets game bundles won't work well either since most people there pirate games. AMD should offer game bundles in the US instead of lowering prices, but get worldwide pricing under control.
 
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I wonder what pricing of Pre-built desktops (the type of desktop likely to be used with GTX 1050 Ti and GTX 1050) looks like in the countries you mentioned?
HP Pavilion All-in-One - 23-q141in
Intel Core i5-6400T
Windows 10
8GB DDR3 RAM / 1TB HDD
23" FULL HD Touchscreen
2GB DDR3 AMD Radeon R7 360
Price : $1134

Asus G20AJ-IN007S Desktop
*.Intel Core i7-4790
8 GB Memory
.1 TB HDD
Windows 8.1
NVIDIA GeForce GTX745 1GB
Price : $1270
 

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AMD doesn't really care, they have a response in the RX 470 4GB which they can sell for 10$ cheaper and make anyone who buys an 1050Ti look like they are clueless. Remember people the 1050/Ti are low end entry level gaming cards, sure they are 75W, but they won't boost very well, certainly not enough to be considered as competent offerings for future AAA 1080p gaming. On paper they are cute, but they are nothing special, and for 139$ the 1050Ti is objectively overpriced for the kind of performane it offers relative to an RX 470.
 
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AMD doesn't really care, they have a response in the RX 470 4GB which they can sell for 10$ cheaper and make anyone who buys an 1050Ti look like they are clueless. Remember people the 1050/Ti are low end entry level gaming cards, sure they are 75W, but they won't boost very well, certainly not enough to be considered as competent offerings for future AAA 1080p gaming. On paper they are cute, but they are nothing special, and for 139$ the 1050Ti is objectively overpriced for the kind of performane it offers relative to an RX 470.
Except that we already have rumors of high 1050ti boost clocks, presumably with a power connector...
So I guess we need to wait and see how the reviews fall out.
What if we have a 1050ti at $150 with a power connector and high boost clock?
 
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