What Atheists and Agnostics Know About Religion

[Cerpin Taxt]

You can quote Wikipedia all you want, but those 4 times you went to church during your 12 years of Catholic school, tell me, did YOU ever drink wine even once?

No?

Case closed.

Only the priest gets to slurp, whereas YOU said in post 4, and I quote:

Doesn't happen, which you should know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iur4LJmF5hk#t=2m5s ()

 

[TheVrolok]

I know we have subforums, but we needed 2 threads for this battle?

 

[ShawnD1]

You can quote Wikipedia all you want, but those 4 times you went to church during your 12 years of Catholic school, tell me, did YOU ever drink wine even once?

No?

Case closed.

Only the priest gets to slurp, whereas YOU said in post 4, and I quote:

Doesn't happen, which you should know.

You personally drink it at communion and at confirmation. Do you honestly expect them to provide wine for 100+ people every single week? They're not going to share the same glass, so I assume you expect them to supply 100+ brass cups or something?

They give you bread every time though. At one time, the priest would put it in your mouth for you. Now you just hold your hand out, they put it in your hand, and you put it in your own mouth.

 

[Zorkorist]

You need 10 sentences for your signature? My God!?



-Brother John

 

[IronWing]

You can quote Wikipedia all you want, but those 4 times you went to church during your 12 years of Catholic school, tell me, did YOU ever drink wine even once?

No?

Case closed.

Only the priest gets to slurp, whereas YOU said in post 4, and I quote:

Doesn't happen, which you should know.

Post-Vatican II, the Catholic liturgy allows for the laity to sip the blood o' Christ. It is now very common practice for lay persons to drink the consecrated wine when receiving communion. Generally, the priest or lay minister hands out the death cookies and off to one side another lay minister holds a chalice with the hard stuff for the faithful to sip from.

 

[DangerAardvark]

To be fair, too many atheists try to blame everything on religion even when actions have nothing to do with the idea rallied behind.
Let's use the Iraq war as an example. I think Bush's official reason for going in there and starting a war was about spreading freedom. Obviously that's bullshit, but that's what he said. Does that mean we can rally against freedom and say that people trying to spread freedom of evil? Of course not. You need to look deeper at what is causing things. Lots of people hide behind religion because they don't have the balls to say what they really mean.

Witch hunting is a good example. It's stupid to say Christianity is evil because of witch hunting. Christianity is not the cause of witch hunting. Nowhere in the bible does it say anything about witches. People hunt witches because they are stupid as fuck. Forget destroying Christianity; we need to kill everyone who is stupid as fuck. That would do a lot more good, actually.

Exodus 22:18 (King James Version)

18Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

I'm really curious what insight you and Dr. Pizza have into witch hunts that decouples them as neatly from religion as you claim. I mean, witches supposedly commune with the Devil. And there's no Devil without religion. If it was sheer ignorance that caused the witch hunts, then we can lay partial blame for that at religion's feet as well, as Christianity both thrives in ignorance and enshrines it as a virtue.

 

[Zorkorist]

You personally drink it at communion and at confirmation. Do you honestly expect them to provide wine for 100+ people every single week? They're not going to share the same glass, so I assume you expect them to supply 100+ brass cups or something?

They give you bread every time though. At one time, the priest would put it in your mouth for you. Now you just hold your hand out, they put it in your hand, and you put it in your own mouth.

Jeez, I miss embarrasing moments like when priests used to put crakers in my mouth.

- Father John

 

[lxskllr]

You can quote Wikipedia all you want, but those 4 times you went to church during your 12 years of Catholic school, tell me, did YOU ever drink wine even once?

No?

Case closed.

Only the priest gets to slurp, whereas YOU said in post 4, and I quote:

Doesn't happen, which you should know.

It did very infrequently at the church I went to. I'm not sure why or when. It was kind of a special occasion thing, but not for xmas, or any other holiday I can specifically remember, but we definitely did it. The priest drank wine at every mass.

 

[IronWing]

You personally drink it at communion and at confirmation. Do you honestly expect them to provide wine for 100+ people every single week? They're not going to share the same glass, so I assume you expect them to supply 100+ brass cups or something?

They give you bread every time though. At one time, the priest would put it in your mouth for you. Now you just hold your hand out, they put it in your hand, and you put it in your own mouth.

I've never been to a Catholic mass where the wine was served in separate cups. That's more in line with the grape juice Protestant sects. I'll have to go dig into the canon law again but I think Catholic protocol would proscribe separate cups except in cases of medical necessity (contagious person) as every last drop of wine is sacred and you can't be throwing away those drops of Jesus blood that might stick to the bottom of a paper cup.

 

[Zorkorist]

Grape Juice is a mother to clean. I'll tell ya'll a secret, but I normally piss on the cup, and it loosens the stains.

- Saint John

 

[IronWing]

Here's the nitty gritty on post Vatican II practices in the US concerning the drinking of communion wine by the laity:

Norms for the Distribution and Reception of Holy Communion Under Both Kinds in the Dioceses of the United States of America

Scroll down to section 41.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

ROFL!! Let me explain this to you in a simple way so that hopefully you can understand it. You won't, but I can dream.

The worst atheists killed for many reasons, power, fear, greed, control, deception, whatever. But they never did any of that in the name of atheism. Compare that to the atrocities committed by men of god in gods name for gods glory and the advancement of gods word. Are you really so dense that you don't see the difference or are you just trying to pick a fight on a shaky premise because, like the believers, you lack any sort of knowledge on which to base your arguments?

Well I'll be explicit and ask a straightforward question. Why are atheists who deliberately kill the religious better than the religious who kill atheists? What about the religious who go to places like Haiti often at their own expense? Are they inferior to atheists that do not?

I figure that killing is bad and helping is good but you seem to draw distinctions not on what people do but what they believe.

 

[IronWing]

ROFL!! Let me explain this to you in a simple way so that hopefully you can understand it. You won't, but I can dream.

The worst atheists killed for many reasons, power, fear, greed, control, deception, whatever. But they never did any of that in the name of atheism. Compare that to the atrocities committed by men of god in gods name for gods glory and the advancement of gods word. Are you really so dense that you don't see the difference or are you just trying to pick a fight on a shaky premise because, like the believers, you lack any sort of knowledge on which to base your arguments?

Actually, during the French Revolution some atheists really did kill in the name of atheism.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Actually, during the French Revolution some atheists really did kill in the name of atheism.

And of course Mao detested the religious and killed them. Of course he didn't stop there.

 

[IronWing]

And of course Mao detested the religious and killed them. Of course he didn't stop there.

Mao was 30% a complete dick.

 

[ShawnD1]

I've never been to a Catholic mass where the wine was served in separate cups.

Historically you're supposed to all share it from the same cup, but we don't do that anymore because we now realize that's a great way to spread illness.
Drinking the wine is only on special occasions and each person gets their own cup.

If you go to a ghetto church, they probably still share the same brass cup. The great thing about herpes is that you get to spread it around

I'm really curious what insight you and Dr. Pizza have into witch hunts that decouples them as neatly from religion as you claim. I mean, witches supposedly commune with the Devil. And there's no Devil without religion.

Every generation has its magic words to use against people. In the dark ages, you would say someone is a witch, and that was enough to have them killed. You can't defend the witch because then you're a witch too. In Nazi Germany, you would say someone is a Jew or a communist, and that would be enough. In modern day USA, the words pedophile and child molester do the same thing. If you want to destroy anyone, all you do is say they are a child molester and watch the fun. People accused of that are guilty before they are even tried. They lose their job, their wife, and their kids on a mere suspicion.

In short, humans are assholes and they love to destroy each other. When religion is gone, we just find new ways to be assholes to each other.

 

[IronWing]

Historically you're supposed to all share it from the same cup, but we don't do that anymore because we now realize that's a great way to spread illness.
Drinking the wine is only on special occasions and each person gets their own cup.

If you go to a ghetto church, they probably still share the same brass cup. The great thing about herpes is that you get to spread it around

I think the bishops are gonna have to do some ass kickin' down your way. Last time I went to mass (my parent's 50th wedding anniversary in May) they were still using a common chalice (that's gold there buddy, says so right in the specs I linked above). The issue is really that you aren't supposed to toss out even the tiniest amount of the consecrated wine so dixie cups are a problem.

 

[ShawnD1]

I think the bishops are gonna have to do some ass kickin' down your way. Last time I went to mass (my parent's 50th wedding anniversary in May) they were still using a common chalice (that's gold there buddy, says so right in the specs I linked above). The issue is really that you aren't supposed to toss out even the tiniest amount of the consecrated wine so dixie cups are a problem.

Maybe the priests around here realize that attendance will go way down if people figure out they caught herpes at church

 

[Zorkorist]

Well I'll be explicit and ask a straightforward question. Why are atheists who deliberately kill the religious better than the religious who kill atheists? What about the religious who go to places like Haiti often at their own expense? Are they inferior to atheists that do not?

I figure that killing is bad and helping is good but you seem to draw distinctions not on what people do but what they believe.

Who are these atheists that kill in the name of Atheism?

How about the religous fervants that kill in the name if Religion?

The only reason religous people go to jaiyi, is that they have conned other religous people out of their money.

See Religous Preachers.

-John

 

[Leros]

Historically you're supposed to all share it from the same cup, but we don't do that anymore because we now realize that's a great way to spread illness.
Drinking the wine is only on special occasions and each person gets their own cup.

I've seen two things.

1) They wipe down the edge of the cup with an alcohol swab after each person.

2) They dip a small paper thimble into the goblet and give it to you.

 

[JEDIYoda]

The religious threads here pretty much prove the gist of the article. The atheists understand the origins of the fairy tales and see the lies and violence that have grown the faith while the wannabelievers fall back on screaming "TROLL!!" at the top of their lungs because they lack the knowledge to fight back with anything of substance. It's knowledge of religion that turns believers into atheists and it's ignorance of religion that is necessary for belief in it.

You can`t fight with somebody whose mind you will not ever change!!
So quit assuming it`s due to a lack of knowledge!!

 

[Malak]

I'm just stopping in for:

If you want to know about God, you might want to talk to an atheist.

God =/= Religion

That is all.

 

[Zorkorist]

Mom, this is a very good dinner, What is it?

Magic.

-John

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Who are these atheists that kill in the name of Atheism?

How about the religous fervants that kill in the name if Religion?

The only reason religous people go to jaiyi, is that they have conned other religous people out of their money.

See Religous Preachers.

-John

Actually the religious go to jail for breaking the law like anyone else. Over the ages people have died because of their religion and others have killed because of it. Millions have died because they weren't atheists as well. Today you are most likely to be murdered because someone doesn't like you or wants your stuff. I find it all tragic. Some don't it would seem.

 

[Zorkorist]

I'm just stopping in for:



God =/= Religion

That is all.

Yeah, it does. God = Religion.

-John