What are the repubs in Cali thinking?

[Acanthus]

Why is Fiorina even considered for a seat?

She almost ran HP into the ground during fantastic economic times and was forced out by the board... I would not want a person of this caliber helping to guide the nation and the state.

Ugh.

 

[JS80]

In retrospect the Compaq merger is what arguably is making HP the world leader in its industry today. The synergies happened to be reflected in the stock price right after her departure which timed with macro economic growth from 2005-today. I would characterize that as bad luck and a shitty ass BOD.

Plus she was the one that originally proposed the takeover of EDS, which the shareholders rebuffed, and HP eventually bought anyway.

I'm sure she is a major bitch, but I'd take her over some douchebag left wing socialist politician who will be polishing union knob for four years.

 

[IGBT]

she want's to shut down CARB. that's reason enough.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

.I'm sure she is a major bitch, but I'd take her over some douchebag left wing socialist politician who will be polishing union knob for four years.

aka.....Barbara Boxer.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

she want's to shut down CARB. that's reason enough.

Wasn't it CARB that proposed that MC's should have to attain smog checks in the state? Yeah you know what fuck CARB.

 

[her209]

Meg Whitman just cried a little.

 

[Slew Foot]

I'm sure she is a major bitch, but I'd take her over some douchebag left wing socialist politician who will be polishing union knob for four years.

This. Hopefully people in CA realize the pyramid scheme cant last forever and throw out all the retard lefties.

 

[JS80]

This. Hopefully people in CA realize the pyramid scheme cant last forever and throw out all the retard lefties.

It might backfire on us. I almost rather keep leftwing leadership and have CA go bk. No money = have to fire employees. If we get a GOP with power, it is inevitable a "deal" would be struck and perpetuate tax and spend and GOP leader turns into another RINO Arnold.

 

[flavio]

This. Hopefully people in CA realize the pyramid scheme cant last forever and throw out all the retard lefties.

The retarded righties are the problem.

 

[zylander]

she want's to shut down CARB. that's reason enough.

If that's true than she has my vote!

 

[DucatiMonster696]

The retarded righties are the problem.

LoL - The state Senate is dominated by dem's. Tell me again how the right in the state state is the problem? Oh wait maybe they are a problem in that they block measures to repeal prop 13 or raise taxes and insist that dem's curtail their out of control spending. Is that what you mean by being a problem?

 

[flavio]

LoL - The state Senate is dominated by dem's. Tell me again how the right in the state state is the problem?

Republican governor.

Oh wait maybe they are a problem in that they block measures to repeal prop 13 or raise taxes

Getting rid of Prop 1 and being realistic about taxes would certainly help.

 

[drebo]

Republican governor.



Getting rid of Prop 1 and being realistic about taxes would certainly help.

Liberal governor.

Political tendancies are much more important than the letter next to the guy's name when he's giving a press conference.

Getting rid of Prop 13 would be counter-productive at this point in time: if people were forced to pay "realistic" taxes on the at-present-still-artificially-inflated property prices, they'd simply default and the state would get nothing. When California property values come back down to Earth, then maybe we can talk. A $20,000 house in Kansas is a $300,000 house in most parts of California. It's not quite the same.

However, that doesn't solve the real problem: expenses outweigh income by far more than increased property taxes will ever be able to pay for. California needs to do two things: kick out the unions and encourage more businesses to come to California. You know that almost all union employees in California are government employees? Kind of interesting to think that they feel they need protection from their own government. What about MY protection from my own government?

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Republican governor.

Arnold is a RINO. Of course despite being a RINO and trying to work with the dems Arnold was continually rebuked over and over again when it came to reigning in spending. The dems in the senate would here none of his ideas when it came to controlling spending.

Getting rid of Prop 1 and being realistic about taxes would certainly help.

Realistic about taxes? You mean jacking taxes up in the state to support the massive number of welfare recipients along with protecting state gov union workers. Of course at the same time spending like there is no tomorrow.

 

[0roo0roo]

I'm sure she is a major bitch, but I'd take her over some douchebag left wing socialist politician who will be polishing union knob for four years.

this...

 

[Acanthus]

Arnold is a RINO. Of course despite being a RINO and trying to work with the dems Arnold was continually rebuked over and over again when it came to reigning in spending. The dems in the senate would here none of his ideas when it came to controlling spending.




Realistic about taxes? You mean jacking taxes up in the state to support the massive number of welfare recipients along with protecting state gov union workers. Of course at the same time spending like there is no tomorrow.

California, massive welfare?

I'll admit i don't live there... but... stats to support this?

Cali is the strongest economy in the United States, even after the housing crash.

 

[flavio]

Liberal governor.

Sorry, he's a Republican. I might as well just call all the Dems conservatives.

Getting rid of Prop 13 would be counter-productive at this point in time:

No, it'd be good for the state.

if people were forced to pay "realistic" taxes on the at-present-still-artificially-inflated property prices, they'd simply default and the state would get nothing.

Property values are actually pretty reasonable at the moment. I got a steal on a house a year and a half ago and the values have gone up a bit since then. My only complaint was that it took them just over a year to reassess my property so I was paying taxes on the old value. I'll be getting refund now though.

When California property values come back down to Earth, then maybe we can talk. A $20,000 house in Kansas is a $300,000 house in most parts of California. It's not quite the same.

That's because who the hell would want to live in Kansas? Location, location, location.

Plus, CA incomes are way higher so the higher value home is actually affordable in CA. Now anyway, not so much a few years ago.

However, that doesn't solve the real problem: expenses outweigh income by far more than increased property taxes will ever be able to pay for.

We need to get realistic about all taxes, not just property...and expenditures. But prop 13 keeps people who have been in their house for a long time from paying their fair share of taxes.

California needs to do two things: kick out the unions and encourage more businesses to come to California. You know that almost all union employees in California are government employees?

I'm not that "almost all" is accurate and but I'll agree that there's some union issues but kicking out all unions is certainly not the answer.

 

[Danube]

It might backfire on us. I almost rather keep leftwing leadership and have CA go bk. No money = have to fire employees. If we get a GOP with power, it is inevitable a "deal" would be struck and perpetuate tax and spend and GOP leader turns into another RINO Arnold.

Excellent point

 

[DucatiMonster696]

California, massive welfare?

I'll admit i don't live there... but... stats to support this?

Cali is the strongest economy in the United States, even after the housing crash.

Wow where the hell have you been? You do realize that California is near bankrupt (more like bankrupt but not "officially" bankrupt) and the state has been rapidly shedding jobs (unemployment is hovering around 13% ) to other states. It will soon be surpassed in job creation and retention economically by Texas (8% unemployment rate).


http://www.newsweek.com/2010/04/15/texas-two-step.html

It surpassed California several years ago as the nation's largest exporting state. Manufactured goods like electronics, chemicals, and machinery account for a bigger chunk of Texas's exports than petroleum does. In the first two months of 2010, exports of stuff made in Texas rose 24.3 percent, to $29 billion, from 2009. That's about 10 percent of the nation's total exports. There are more than 700,000 jobs geared to manufacturing goods for exports in Texas, says Patrick Jankowski, vice president of research at the Greater Houston Partnership. "A lot of it is capital goods that the Asian, Latin American, and African [countries] are using to build their economies."

Thanks to that embrace of globalization, the Texas turnaround may help lead the nation's economic turnaround, just as California's economy was once a bellwether. Now that Texas has become a player in the global economy, we can expect a new kind of swagger.

As for the welfare stats well here you go.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/01/MN141928G9.DTL

Still, the state has more people on welfare than anywhere else in the nation. Thirty-two percent of people receiving welfare in the United States are in California, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

and then you have guys like this who want to further sink the state.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/05/25/BA7S1DKCM6.DTL&type=politics&tsp=1

 

[PhoKingGuy]

If you look at her stance on social ideals (gay marriage, abortion etc) shes way too right for mainstream CA, she wont win. DeVore or Campbell had a much better chance at it.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

We need to get realistic about all taxes, not just property...and expenditures. But prop 13 keeps people who have been in their house for a long time from paying their fair share of taxes.

Yeah sorry if the middle-class home owners in CA aren't paying "their fair" share in taxes. We need more people to lose their homes in this state to satisfy the loony left crowd. Hey maybe once home owners are taxed out of their homes (especially the elderly) we can put them on the welfare pay rolls and then get them to vote dem.

Wealth and property redistribution FTL.

 

[Acanthus]

Wow where the hell have you been? You do realize that California is near bankrupt (more like bankrupt but not "officially" bankrupt) and the state has been rapidly shedding jobs (unemployment is hovering around 13% ) to other states. It will soon be surpassed in job creation and retention economically by Texas (8% unemployment rate).


http://www.newsweek.com/2010/04/15/texas-two-step.html



As for the welfare stats well here you go.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/01/MN141928G9.DTL



and then you have guys like this who want to further sink the state.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/05/25/BA7S1DKCM6.DTL&type=politics&tsp=1

It is the most populous state, of course it is going to have the greatest number of people on welfare. 13% unemployment is bad, but texas is a bad example for a bastion of good policy, as they are loading up on oil jobs right now in the offshore business. The prospects of that might not be so great after recent events (now they are talking about another leaking offshore rig).

Thank you for the info, i will look it over without the slanted commentary and return to the thread.

 

[Acanthus]

Reading the parts in newsweek about WHY Texas has fared better than CA through the recession were as i suspected in some ways and surprising in others.

They are deep in the energy industry which is recession-proof. Oil makes the world go around.

Abundant land (something cali does not have) kept housing prices sane.

The surprises were:
Tight borrowing regulation helped keep default rates low when housing prices dropped.
Exporting hard goods overseas.

 

[flavio]

Yeah sorry if the middle-class home owners in CA aren't paying "their fair" share in taxes. We need more people to lose their homes in this state to satisfy the loony left crowd. Hey maybe once home owners are taxed out of their homes (especially the elderly) we can put them on the welfare pay rolls and then get them to vote dem.

Wealth and property redistribution FTL.

You are wrong on this. It's about fair taxation. People who have had their homes for a long time are not paying their taxes based on the value of their home. Newer buyer (sometimes elderly) are paying a disproportionate amount of tax.

The only qualifier here being how long you've had your home. This encourages people not to buy homes and the people that have homes to sit back and make anyone that wants a home to pay their taxes. Fuck that.

Wealth and property redistribution from the people that want property to the people that already had property FTL.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

It is the most populous state, of course it is going to have the greatest number of people on welfare.

You are drawing a flawed assumption and clearly didn't read the article before posting. Correlation (ie population size) does not imply causation (reasons behind massive welfare case load in the state).

13% unemployment is bad, but texas is a bad example for a bastion of good policy, as they are loading up on oil jobs right now in the offshore business. The prospects of that might not be so great after recent events (now they are talking about another leaking offshore rig).

Again you didn't read the article or the quote presented. Exports of high tech goods and overall manufacturing far outstrip their oil exports in Texas. On top of steadily recovering and gaining jobs which were once in California.