What are the repubs in Cali thinking?

[Acanthus]

You are drawing a flawed assumption and clearly didn't read the article before posting. Correlation (ie population size) does not imply causation (reasons behind massive welfare case load in the state).




Again you didn't read the article or the quote presented. Exports of high tech goods and overall manufacturing far outstrip their oil exports in Texas. On top of steadily recovering and gaining jobs which were once in California.

err i read the entire article.

A lower population density (read MORE LAND) is what kept real estate low. This double whammyd Cali in that 1. They have more people to be on welfare 2. The housing was more inflated in price so the economic impact was larger.

You're simply looking for an argument where I didn't present anything to argue about.

 

[Linflas]

aka.....Barbara Boxer.

You mean Senator Boxer. She has worked very hard for that title and would appreciate you using it.

 

[Slew Foot]

It is the most populous state, of course it is going to have the greatest number of people on welfare.

10% of the overall population, 32% of the welfare cases. Add in teachers/police/nurses unions that strangle the state, and a pile of illegals, it no wonder youve got a 20 billion dollar shortfall despite 10% sales tax and 10% income tax.

 

[zsdersw]

Give CA a Republican who is fiscally conservative and socially liberal and they'll easily win.

Unfortunately, you too often don't get those kind of Republicans.

 

[Genx87]

I tend to agree. IMO she really hurt the HP brand name and was a huge proponent of the craptacular compaq merger.

 

[0roo0roo]

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-primary-election-results,0,206276.htmlstory

prop 16 17 barely lose..
its sad they almost won, essentially they were put forth by corporations trying to rig the system with misleading propositions. the whole proposition systems become perverse and dangerous in cali.

 

[JS80]

If you look at her stance on social ideals (gay marriage, abortion etc) shes way too right for mainstream CA, she wont win. DeVore or Campbell had a much better chance at it.

Oh please no one gives a shit about gay marriage and killing babies right now

 

[drebo]

I'm going to ignore the rest of your drivel because it's the same bullshit talking points that have been spouted by idiot liberals since the dawn of time, but this I have to address.

We need to get realistic about all taxes, not just property...and expenditures. But prop 13 keeps people who have been in their house for a long time from paying their fair share of taxes.

In California, the highest tier for income taxes is reached at $55,000/yr individual income. How is that "not their fair share"? I paid more State income taxes last year than I paid federal income taxes (which, admitedly, is how it should be, but still).

Additionally, my EIGHT POINT EIGHT SEVEN FIVE sales tax rate all by itself refutes your assertion that California residents don't pay their fair share.

 

[zsdersw]

Oh please no one gives a shit about gay marriage and killing babies right now

.. but they will when/if Republicans control government again.

 

[Jaskalas]

California will fail. The only thing that will delay this is a federal bailout.

I suggest Republicans follow my lead and leave the failed state.

 

[herkulease]

The idiots in sacramento just like all the idiots in washington do not have a concept of money. Its not their money so why should they care.

they all use voodoo math to balance the budget or claim cuts in spending. Instead of a 5% raise we'll just increase by 3%. OMG we cut 2%.

Prop 13 will never be repealed. the only and change you will see is likely on the corporate side. Someone will have to run a massive campaign for that to have a slim chance.

There is no way voters will approve a change to how their own property taxes will be calculated.

It's funny. No one was bitching about it when property values were sky rocketing and homes in California where selling like hot cakes. Now its an issue.

Hell getting your county tax assessor to lower the value of your home to market value is a chore. they fight you every step of the way. I believe this year or was it last requests skyrocketed.

 

[Pepsei]

at the moment, i only care about the pot smoking vote that's coming up this year. and where i'm going for vacation.

 

[Jaskalas]

It's funny. No one was bitching about it when property values were sky rocketing and homes in California where selling like hot cakes. Now its an issue.

No one complained about Bernie Madoff until his scheme ran out of income to fuel it.

Same thing for our state and federal gov. Only difference is there are complaints, but they are a vocal minority with no power to change the outcome. The resulting collapse is truly inevitable.

 

[Thump553]

LOL, she's the one who said McCain wasn't qualified to run any US corporation-immediately before she was eased out of the McCain campaign. Is she the Joe Biden (without the international affairs smarts) of the GOP?

I think the OP's comments are right on. She did her best to maximize her personal income while running HP into the ground. A close relative who works for HP and thinks Palin walks on water, bristles angrily at the mention of Fiorna's name.

BTW, did the California GOP nominate that wacko for Secretary of State? I forget her name but she built her reputation on repeated frivilous lawsuits about Obama being born in Kenya.

 

[Pens1566]

She'll get annihilated with "you failed as a CEO" over and over. Not to mention she's prone to epic levels of stupid when not reading from script. Boxer will win.

 

[IGBT]

Sorry, he's a Republican. I might as well just call all the Dems conservatives.



No, it'd be good for the state.




Property values are actually pretty reasonable at the moment. I got a steal on a house a year and a half ago and the values have gone up a bit since then. My only complaint was that it took them just over a year to reassess my property so I was paying taxes on the old value. I'll be getting refund now though.



That's because who the hell would want to live in Kansas? Location, location, location.

Plus, CA incomes are way higher so the higher value home is actually affordable in CA. Now anyway, not so much a few years ago.



We need to get realistic about all taxes, not just property...and expenditures. But prop 13 keeps people who have been in their house for a long time from paying their fair share of taxes.



I'm not that "almost all" is accurate and but I'll agree that there's some union issues but kicking out all unions is certainly not the answer.

prop 13 holds down property taxes for ALL home owners. It caps the multiplier . Without a multiplier cap, the cap would rise to 3%. Go do the math. At 3% the vast majority of you bottom feeders would loose your homes.

 

[flavio]

In California, the highest tier for income taxes is reached at $55,000/yr individual income. How is that "not their fair share"? I paid more State income taxes last year than I paid federal income taxes (which, admitedly, is how it should be, but still).

Additionally, my EIGHT POINT EIGHT SEVEN FIVE sales tax rate all by itself refutes your assertion that California residents don't pay their fair share.

Your bullshit drivel doesn't address prop 13 at all. You realize this right?

READ

We're talking about property taxes here. Where some people do not pay their fair share of taxes based on the value of their property. Get it?

 

[werepossum]

Yeah sorry if the middle-class home owners in CA aren't paying "their fair" share in taxes. We need more people to lose their homes in this state to satisfy the loony left crowd. Hey maybe once home owners are taxed out of their homes (especially the elderly) we can put them on the welfare pay rolls and then get them to vote dem.

Wealth and property redistribution FTL.

Like most knee-jerk lefties he's a follower of the Magic Cupboard Theory of Economics. Taxes are a bottomless well, tax rates have no relationship to economic activity such as private sector spending or saving, businesses do not consider tax rates when deciding whether to locate to (or relocate from) a state or city, anyone can pay any tax rate - in short, there is no problem that cannot best be addressed with a tax increase, preferably on "the rich". All problems are best solved by giving government more money and power.

 

[flavio]

prop 13 holds down property taxes for ALL home owners. It caps the multiplier . Without a multiplier cap, the cap would rise to 3%. Go do the math. At 3% the vast majority of you bottom feeders would loose your homes.

"Unequal Assessments Based on Purchase Date Result in Regressive Taxation".

Read that part. The vast amount of you bottom feeders would lose their homes without this unfair taxation.

 

[evident]

i have no idea what her policies would be, but i know she was HORRIBLE as HP CEO and is credited with almost running them into the ground. I used to work there and nobody had anything good to say about her.

 

[flavio]

Like most knee-jerk lefties he's a follower of the Magic Cupboard Theory of Economics. Taxes are a bottomless well, tax rates have no relationship to economic activity such as private sector spending or saving, businesses do not consider tax rates when deciding whether to locate to (or relocate from) a state or city, anyone can pay any tax rate - in short, there is no problem that cannot best be addressed with a tax increase, preferably on "the rich". All problems are best solved by giving government more money and power.

Knee jerk righties are apparently unable to READ.

 

[IGBT]

"Unequal Assessments Based on Purchase Date Result in Regressive Taxation".

Read that part. The vast amount of you bottom feeders would lose their homes without this unfair taxation.

if there's no limit on the formula multiplier, there's no limit on property tax for everyone regardless of purchase date.

 

[flavio]

if there's no limit on the formula multiplier, there's no limit on property tax for everyone regardless of purchase date.

"Proposition 13 freezes the value of properties at the time of purchase with a possible 2% annual assessment increase."

You're not really reading this are you?

People who have purchased their homes long ago are not paying taxes on what their home is worth. I don't know how to make this any clearer for you.

 

[Patranus]

Um.....
The senate represents the states interest on a federal level.
Why are people brining up state issues that are solely on the state level?
(Something that a senator has noting to do with)

 

[IGBT]

"Proposition 13 freezes the value of properties at the time of purchase with a possible 2% annual assessment increase."

You're not really reading this are you?

People who have purchased their homes long ago are not paying taxes on what their home is worth. I don't know how to make this any clearer for you.

the people that purchase property TODAY enjoy a prop 13 benefit because their property tax MULTIPLIER is frozen thus their property tax is limited. What would happen to your property tax if your multiplier had no cap on it?? Do the math. The legislature would like to raise your multiplier to 3% or more if they could. Prop 13 stops them. ALL homeowners enjoy lower taxes due to prop 13. WE need more prop 13 like protections for tax payers and property owners.