What are the repubs in Cali thinking?

[Harvey]

I'm sure she is a major bitch, but I'd take her over some douchebag left wing socialist politician who will be polishing union knob for four years.

1. Fiorina didn't quit HP; she was shit canned. If you want to know what kind of leader she is, ask HP's employees how shittey she treated them. :thumbsdown:

2. Can you even define "socialist?" If not, go home and practice, and don't use meaningless, fear mongering words until you know what they mean.

she want's to shut down CARB. that's reason enough to boot her out of the state.

Fixed it for ya. No need to thank me.

What do you have against breathing unpolluted air? D:

 

[flavio]

the people that purchase property TODAY enjoy a prop 13 benefit because their property tax MULTIPLIER is frozen thus their property tax is limited. What would happen to your property tax if your multiplier had no cap on it?? Do the math. The legislature would like to raise your multiplier to 3% or more if they could. Prop 13 stops them. ALL homeowners enjoy lower taxes due to prop 13. WE need more prop 13 like protections for tax payers and property owners.

I'm addressing the fact that people who bought their homes a long time ago are not paying their fair share of taxes. They do not pay taxes on what their home is worth.

I pay taxes on what my home is worth.

Are you able to discuss this fact or not?

Once you can we can move on to the other negative effects.

 

[Patranus]

I'm addressing the fact that people who bought their homes a long time ago are not paying their fair share of taxes. They do not pay taxes on what their home is worth.

What about people living in apartments "not paying their fair share"?
What does the value of a house have to do with "fair share"?

I a single man lives in a 3 million dollar house and pays more than a family of 5 living in a crap shack, who isn't paying their "fair share"? The person sending zero kids to school but paying a lot or the person paying next to nothing but sending 3 children to school?

This entire idea that taxes need to be raised instead of government spending needing to be lowered is laughable.

Do you really think that you are going to raise revenue when you tax people for living in the state? Why do you think there has been a exodus of the middle class from California to other states?

 

[flavio]

What about people living in apartments "not paying their fair share"?
What does the value of a house have to do with "fair share"?

Property taxes should be calculated on the assessed value of a home. Pretty simple huh?

People who own apartments pay property taxes...because they own the property.

I a single man lives in a 3 million dollar house and pays more than a family of 5 living in a crap shack, who isn't paying their "fair share"? The person sending zero kids to school but paying a lot or the person paying next to nothing but sending 3 children to school?

This has nothing to do with prop 13. It appears that you're just against property tax in general.

 

[Jaskalas]

2. Can you even define "socialist?"

Government proponents who favor wealth redistribution. In other words, the Democratic Party.

 

[her209]

Government proponents who favor wealth redistribution. In other words, the Democratic Party.

LOL... keep drinking that Kool-Aid.

 

[Nemesis 1]

She'll get annihilated with "you failed as a CEO" over and over. Not to mention she's prone to epic levels of stupid when not reading from script. Boxer will win.

Actually it was Her actions as CEO that got HP to were they are today, Cause and effect. But who cares none of these people are good for America. We needed middle America leading not Rich americans these people got were they are threw underhanded deeds. Freaken asswipes

 

[Patranus]

Property taxes should be calculated on the assessed value of a home. Pretty simple huh?

If there must be a property tax, that tax should be derived from the number and age of people occupying the property.

More people more taxes.
More children more taxes.

It is the only way (as you put it) to ensure that people pay "their fair share"

If property taxes are going to exist they should exist in terms of something that the property owner can control. If own a large plot of dirt in Santa Clara since 1900 and now that dirt is in the heart of silicon valley, there is nothing that I could have done to prevent the appreciation of the land. Why should that owner be punished via taxes for inaction?

That pretty much sums up prop 13.
You have old people living in houses that cost 24k and are now worth 1 million, 1.2 million. Hell, go out to Alamo, Danville, or San Ramon. A 1500 SQFT crapshack commands 800k. You should pay taxes on the value of the house that you buy not some made up value by government as buying a house is what you can control but the value of real-estate is out of your hands.

 

[flavio]

If there must be a property tax, that tax should be derived from the number and age of people occupying the property.

No, property taxes should be calculated on the value of the property. That is fair.

Your argument of course has nothing to do with prop 13 though as you know.

If property taxes are going to exist they should exist in terms of something that the property owner can control. If own a large plot of dirt in Santa Clara since 1900 and now that dirt is in the heart of silicon valley, there is nothing that I could have done to prevent the appreciation of the land. Why should that owner be punished via taxes for inaction?

I appreciate your viewpoint. All that means in reality is at more recent home buyers pay a disproportionate amount of property tax. That discourages mobility and new home purchases and has a whole host of other negative effects that you aren't addressing.

 

[Patranus]

No, property taxes should be calculated on the value of the property. That is fair.

Your argument of course has nothing to do with prop 13 though as you know.



I appreciate your viewpoint. All that means in reality is at more recent home buyers pay a disproportionate amount of property tax. That discourages mobility and new home purchases and has a whole host of other negative effects that you aren't addressing.

My argument has everything to do with prop 13.
If you have no control over something that something should not be taxed. That is the essence of prop 13.

 

[joebloggs10]

I appreciate your viewpoint. All that means in reality is at more recent home buyers pay a disproportionate amount of property tax. That discourages mobility and new home purchases and has a whole host of other negative effects that you aren't addressing.

Except you're advocating mark-to-market accounting, which:
a) is unreliable in a downturn economy such as this since assets cannot be easily valued
b) does not conform to FAS157 in it's current form since assessments are NOT accurate representations of the asset's true value
c) a whole host of other problems

Face it, regardless of whether you use mark-to-market or origination accounting you are NOT going to have an equitable distribution of expense.

 

[joebloggs10]

she want's to shut down CARB. that's reason enough.

Shutting down CARB would have little effect on California's regulatory mess since the South Coast Air Quality Management District (SCAQMD) is as bad or worse than CARB and companies will still be required to adhere to SCAQMD guidelines if they wish to do business in LA (which they will).

 

[drebo]

This has nothing to do with prop 13. It appears that you're just against property tax in general.

Actually, in California, it does. Property taxes are supposed to fund education.

That said, it highlights another problem in California: the fact that they put all tax revenue in the "general fund". Gas tax is supposed to fund road development and maintenance, property tax is supposed to fund education, etc, etc...except that they all get lumped into the general fund, instead of their own funds, meaning that politicians can use that money for purposes other than what were intended. I'd rather not see this problem increased in magnitude.

 

[Infohawk]

So how do she want to make sure we have clean air if she wants to cut down on CARB? I like Arnold because he is a moderate. Going back on environmental issues is what makes Republicans lose in states like Cali.

 

[Jaskalas]

LOL... keep drinking that Kool-Aid.

Articulate yourself. Explain how that is not the true definition of things.

 

[Patranus]

So how do she want to make sure we have clean air if she wants to cut down on CARB? I like Arnold because he is a moderate. Going back on environmental issues is what makes Republicans lose in states like Cali.

CARB has nothing to do with clean air, science, or the environment.

See: MTBE

 

[Infohawk]

CARB has nothing to do with clean air, science, or the environment.

See: MTBE

"The California Air Resources Board, also known as CARB or ARB, is the "clean air agency" in the government of California."

"Half of the appointees are experts in professional and science fields such as medicine, chemistry, physics, meteorology, engineering, business, and law." - Wikipedia

You one of those people that thinks man doesn't affect the environment too?

 

[bfdd]

I'm going to ignore the rest of your drivel because it's the same bullshit talking points that have been spouted by idiot liberals since the dawn of time, but this I have to address.



In California, the highest tier for income taxes is reached at $55,000/yr individual income. How is that "not their fair share"? I paid more State income taxes last year than I paid federal income taxes (which, admitedly, is how it should be, but still).

Additionally, my EIGHT POINT EIGHT SEVEN FIVE sales tax rate all by itself refutes your assertion that California residents don't pay their fair share.

you're getting 8.875 sales tax rate? where? everywhere i know here in California is 10%.

 

[Drako]

"Half of the appointees are experts in professional and science fields such as medicine, chemistry, physics, meteorology, engineering, business, and law." - Wikipedia

Experts like Hien T. Tran - fake PHDs responsible for government policy :thumbsdown:

 

[Infohawk]

Experts like Hien T. Tran - fake PHDs responsible for government policy :thumbsdown:

So replace head of CARB and tell them any more fake PhD's and they lose their job like last person. How does that mean you get rid of CARB?

 

[Patranus]

"The California Air Resources Board, also known as CARB or ARB, is the "clean air agency" in the government of California."

"Half of the appointees are experts in professional and science fields such as medicine, chemistry, physics, meteorology, engineering, business, and law." - Wikipedia

You one of those people that thinks man doesn't affect the environment too?

Again, see MTBE.

 

[Drako]

So replace head of CARB and tell them any more fake PhD's and they lose their job like last person. How does that mean you get rid of CARB?

The whole organization is corrupt, from head to toe. I say get ride of everyone and start over.

 

[Patranus]

So replace head of CARB and tell them any more fake PhD's and they lose their job like last person. How does that mean you get rid of CARB?

There are 2 doctors on board of CARB and they are both MDs.

 

[Infohawk]

The whole organization is corrupt, from head to toe. I say get ride of everyone and start over.

If that's true then that's fine with me. I'm just not buying into the all environmental regulation is evil mantra or requiring government agencies to live up to a perfect standard in order to justify their existence.

 

[IGBT]

Actually, in California, it does. Property taxes are supposed to fund education.

That said, it highlights another problem in California: the fact that they put all tax revenue in the "general fund". Gas tax is supposed to fund road development and maintenance, property tax is supposed to fund education, etc, etc...except that they all get lumped into the general fund, instead of their own funds, meaning that politicians can use that money for purposes other than what were intended. I'd rather not see this problem increased in magnitude.

the tax payer can provide a building for the school and keep the lights and heat on. Everything else should be paid for by a public school tuition. You can't keep freeloading off the backs of property tax payers.