What are legitimate reasons for citizens owning guns?

[yllus]

Then why the fuck are we still losing in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Same reason you lost in Vietnam. Don't understand the people. Don't know the terrain. Don't understand the nature of the local struggle. And you cycle your people out to head back home just as they're getting somewhere in learning all of the above. And no patience for the number of deaths or number of decades it takes to truly bring a country under control.

 

[yllus]

The Jews did eventually get around to arming themselves in the Warsaw Ghetto uprising. They killed about 10 German soldiers and disabled a few vehicles before the Nazis used artillery to level the entire ghetto to rubble. Which illustrates the utter futility of using personal firearms to fight a modern army.

I think once they were already herded into specific locations it was already too late, but yeah, your point still stands. Interestingly enough the thing that saved the Jews in a few countries (Bulgaria?) was the local population flat out refusing to go along with the Nazis and their plans to deport their Jewish populations. Straight up refusal. And it worked. It was hard to believe when I first read about it.

 

[woolfe9998]

I think once they were already herded into specific locations it was already too late, but yeah, your point still stands. Interestingly enough the thing that saved the Jews in a few countries (Bulgaria?) was the local population flat out refusing to go along with the Nazis and their plans to deport their Jewish populations. Straight up refusal. And it worked. It was hard to believe when I first read about it.

Yes, that happened mainly in Denmark and Norway, where unfortunately there weren't very many Jews. It happened also to a lesser extent elsewhere.

 

[Atreus21]

Your faith in humanity is stronger than mine.

It's an extension of faith in God.

 

[Atreus21]

Biased poll.
There is no option to vote for "none of the above".
You have to pick at least one option if you want to vote.
Dumb.

What's even dumber is that nobody here has noticed this yet.

All reason for citizens to own guns are the same reason for citizen to own nuclear weapons.
"I collect old hydrogen bombs. It's fun !"
"Hunting with my cruise missile is so effective, and so much fun. I never wanna hunt without my cruise missile any more".
"My neutron-bombs keeps me safe against foreigners that wanna rob my house as soon as I lower my guard. Goddamn foreigners".
"We citizens need our nuclear submarines to keep our government in check. Trump would overthrow our democracy if he knew we wouldn't strike back with out nuclear submarines".

I guess I hadn't anticipated such an extreme position, since very few nations completely ban civilian gun ownership.

At any rate I added an option for your position.

 

[OWR88]

The actual reasons we own guns is that we think it is cool. Duh!!!!!

Anyone tell you it is about 2nd amendment, home safety, or personal defense is full of $hit. Guns make them feel better about themselves and they feel powerful while packing. We want to be like James Bond and Steve McQueen. That's really the whole reason we own guns.

 

[bradly1101]

Our gun homicide rate shouldn't be 25.2 times higher than other high income countries (as of 2010). Why is it so high in comparison? Saturation? More crime? Worse people?

 

[Jhhnn]

The actual reasons we own guns is that we think it is cool. Duh!!!!!

Anyone tell you it is about 2nd amendment, home safety, or personal defense is full of $hit. Guns make them feel better about themselves and they feel powerful while packing. We want to be like James Bond and Steve McQueen. That's really the whole reason we own guns.

Rambo!

 

[Victorian Gray]

Do you think that the United States Armed forces would take up arms and use their weapons to slaughter American civilians, use artillery and drop bombs fairly indiscriminately ? Maybe if the order to kill fellow citizens was used nicely?

American troops have had no issues firing on/attacking American citizens in the past. Why do you think that it might be different in the future?

 

[Jaskalas]

Our gun homicide rate shouldn't be 25.2 times higher than other high income countries (as of 2010). Why is it so high in comparison? Saturation? More crime? Worse people?

That very thing fuels the fear that fuels a pro gun culture.

 

[jackstar7]

None of the ones listed.

The only one I accept is farmers. They need to protect livestock and crops from rodents and wild predators.

Everyone else doesn't hold a legitimate reason. They hold an emotional one.

Spoiler

The emotion is fear! Boo!

 

[Alpha One Seven]

So, arm the people with tanks, fighter jets, warships, nukes ... Etc. Good plan!

You can already buy those from military surplus if you have the money.

 

[Ackmed]

The actual reasons we own guns is that we think it is cool. Duh!!!!!

Anyone tell you it is about 2nd amendment, home safety, or personal defense is full of $hit. Guns make them feel better about themselves and they feel powerful while packing. We want to be like James Bond and Steve McQueen. That's really the whole reason we own guns.

Anyone who tells you their opinion and tries to make it fact is full of shit. Such as what you did.

Our gun homicide rate shouldn't be 25.2 times higher than other high income countries (as of 2010). Why is it so high in comparison? Saturation? More crime? Worse people?

Oddly enough, taking out two key cities vastly lowers the numbers for the US. Make your own conclusion as to why.

 

[pcgeek11]

Biased poll.
There is no option to vote for "none of the above".
You have to pick at least one option if you want to vote.
Dumb.

What's even dumber is that nobody here has noticed this yet.

All reason for citizens to own guns are the same reason for citizen to own nuclear weapons.
"I collect old hydrogen bombs. It's fun !"
"Hunting with my cruise missile is so effective, and so much fun. I never wanna hunt without my cruise missile any more".
"My neutron-bombs keeps me safe against foreigners that wanna rob my house as soon as I lower my guard. Goddamn foreigners".
"We citizens need our nuclear submarines to keep our government in check. Trump would overthrow our democracy if he knew we wouldn't strike back with out nuclear submarines".

Well I'm convinced. I'm going to melt all my guns down when I get home from work.


/s

 

[Thebobo]

Really? Take a breath shorty. That should be beneath you, particularly towards posters like woolf.

Hmm where have I heard that recently? Woolf's not a general is he?

 

[Gryz]

I guess I hadn't anticipated such an extreme position, since very few nations completely ban civilian gun ownership.

Extreme position ?

What would be extreme is if civilians walk around in society carrying guns.
That's extreme.

 

[Gryz]

Well I'm convinced. I'm going to melt all my guns down when I get home from work.

Good.

Thanks for making the world a better place (even if it is only just a little bit a better place).

 

[pcgeek11]

Sarcasm.

And your avatar is a sword bearing mouse. LOL

I just recently purchased a Springfield 1911 Range Officer Champion.

 

[kirbyrj]

Our gun homicide rate shouldn't be 25.2 times higher than other high income countries (as of 2010). Why is it so high in comparison? Saturation? More crime? Worse people?

If you want to talk gun violence and economics, at least be honest about it. Middle class/upper middle class/upper class people aren't purveyors of gun violence for the most part. It's not a gun issue, it's a socio-economic issue.

 

[SNC]

What motivated me to purchase a gun was a spike in crime in my immediate neighborhood - literally my neighbor across the street (carjacked in the middle of the day by two kids who put a gun in her face as she sat on her porch) and a neighbor about 8 houses down who's home was invaded in the middle of the night while she, mercifully, was out of town.

That type of brazenness shakes me. I have four small children, a wife, and a mother-in-law in this house. If someone comes through that door at 2AM, I've presently got a machete and a hatchet to defend myself and my family with. That's not going to cut it (so to speak).

So there are several things I could do: Get an alarm system, get a dog, get a gun, move, or some combination. Financially, alarms and dogs are recurrently costly. As a practical deterrent in a physical fight, alarms won't do any more immediate help than calling the police would; dogs would though, big ones at least. The shotgun I'm getting is under $200. The security cabinet for it is about $300. That's comparatively inexpensive.

One of the reasons I'm getting a shotgun is precisely because they're big and heavy - not easy for children to pick up, load, and fire, unlike handguns.

I get what you're saying but if you have to get out of bed, get dressed, go to the cabinet, unlock it, take out the rifle, remove trigger lock, unlock bullets drawer, load rifle and then get to where the bad guy is all under duress, half of your stuff he stole is already pawned and he's smoking the proceeds. A locked gun in a cabinet is a waste of money when talking about self defence in your home. You would be much better off with an alarm or large dog. A handgun loaded under your bed is a much better option.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Well I'm convinced. I'm going to melt all my guns down when I get home from work.


/s

Work and guns in the same sentence? How could you?

 

[SNC]

It's an extension of faith in God.

Perhaps if all those sports stars who occupy his time by granting things like touchdown, homeruns, race wins and the like, perhaps he would have a little more time to address the crime in your area.

 

[soulcougher73]

Maybe we should honor what the writers of the constitution knew of. Long barrel rifles that were slow to load. That is all they knew of so they probably thought it safe to allow people to own them as they knew one person couldnt take out 60 people himself. Maybe add in 6 shot revolvers as well if were feeling generous This way you can still hunt, sport, home defense etc. Just limits the damage a crazy could do with it before being taken out. If i remember right at the time of the civil war 3 shots in a minute was considered good. That guy today would be taken down after his first shot most likely. Assuming he even hit his target

 

[SNC]

Maybe we should honor what the writers of the constitution knew of. Long barrel rifles that were slow to load. That is all they knew of so they probably thought it safe to allow people to own them as they knew one person couldnt take out 60 people himself. Maybe add in 6 shot revolvers as well if were feeling generous This way you can still hunt, sport, home defense etc. Just limits the damage a crazy could do with it before being taken out. If i remember right at the time of the civil war 3 shots in a minute was considered good. That guy today would be taken down after his first shot most likely. Assuming he even hit his target

Would you be willing to apply that same logic to say the 1st to? The framers never in a million years could have dreamt of the comminution methods we have today. One could make the case that access to radical forums and the circle jerks that happen in them have the ability to fuel an already shaky person to do things he would have never be capable of had it not been for the constant bombarding of radical views. Getting rid of the second just removes one method of killing people, if we limit the first we can stop people from planning killings via rented home depot trucks from happening. It's pretty easy to see that the first has a greater ability to plan and execute mass killings then does the second.

 

[mdram]

I get what you're saying but if you have to get out of bed, get dressed, go to the cabinet, unlock it, take out the rifle, remove trigger lock, unlock bullets drawer, load rifle and then get to where the bad guy is all under duress, half of your stuff he stole is already pawned and he's smoking the proceeds. A locked gun in a cabinet is a waste of money when talking about self defence in your home. You would be much better off with an alarm or large dog. A handgun loaded under your bed is a much better option.

what you say is true, but when there are children in the house, you need to take precautions. a loaded handgun in a biometric safe at the bedside would be the least secure method i would think about.