What about PvP "does it" for you?

[Gurck]

While I guess this could be applied to any game, I'm thinking of WoW PvP specifically.

Personally, it just never made much sense to me. At its worst you have teams of higher levels corpse-camping lowbies or killing quest NPCs to cockblock others, how anyone older than 12 and with an IQ higher than 75 could find this entertaining is beyond me... but even at its "best"; consentual PvP on a PvE server, it's basically half running around with 10-20 others killing single flagged players you come across, the other half *being* the single player that roving gangs of opposite-faction players come across. Either way there's no challenge, no real fight... And on the rare occasion you're in 1v1 combat the outcome is determined almost entirely by luck... you win and think how much you "pwn" for 5 minutes until the luck turns the other way, or you lose and talk about what an ass the player was, how he cheated, how lag killed you... What about any of this do people find fun?

I've given some thought to the fact that I didn't/don't have any siblings; perhaps having been raised an only child has permanently skewed my instinct to compete, even into my adult life? To anyone replying, if you feel comfortable discussing it - I'd be interested to know if you like/dislike PvP and if you are/were an only child.

 

[Jumpem]

I don't like it, and I'm not an only child.

 

[Modeps]

PvP < RvR

 

[BlueWeasel]

I'm not a WOW player and I have never done PvP with the exception of a few fights with friends.

My only MMORPG experience is with Asheron's Call and I first got into that game almost 2 years after it was launched. By that time, every server had plenty of higher level, L33t PK'ers and PK guilds. Being so new to the game, I never really had the urge to go PvP because, quite honestly, I figured I'd get my ass handed to me.

Secondly, I lucked up and found a great guild to join that was 99% PvM only. Always plenty of group quests or corpse recoveries to keep me busy.

Finally, I never was one of those who cared much for rerolling. Other than my main toon (who I got up to 100), I never had any other toon over level 5 and they were only mules anyway. I never cared much about starting again from scratch, as the monthly updates were plenty enough to keep me happy since I played off and on. I enjoyed the new quests much more (which the higher level characters let me do since everyone was high level at this point) than trying out new characters. While most would consider this type of play boring, I was content to be an XP whore.

 

[exilera]

I'm an only child, and frankly, I think your opinion is rediculous. I don't think you know what the hell you're talking about; especially not when it comes to WoW. There are plenty of people who enjoy PvP, who aren't prepubescent retards. I wouldn't play on a non pvp server; what's the point? Kill the same mob over and over? Utterly boring. The challenge of fighting other players is what makes the game worth the time investment.

I solo pvp most of the time, and your statement of "And on the rare occasion you're in 1v1 combat the outcome is determined almost entirely by luck" is pretty ignorant. Obviously you have no idea how to play your class, if you believe what you wrote. Skill is the determining factor in PvP. How could I, as a 60 rogue, ever hope to beat a 60 paladin, considering the paladin has every advantage in 1v1 combat? Much higher AC, healing, shields, decent damage... yet, I have only been beaten 1v1 by another 60 paladin once. As I said, skill is the determining factor. Gear is another major factor. Luck has little to do with it.

I play with a cross game pvp guild who's youngest member is 25. There are lawyers, scientists, business owners, etc in it's ranks. All of us love PvP for no other reason but for a challenge.

Try to keep the stupid comments to yourself next time.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: exilera
I'm an only child, and frankly, I think your opinion is rediculous. I don't think you know what the hell you're talking about; especially not when it comes to WoW. There are plenty of people who enjoy PvP, who aren't prepubescent retards. I wouldn't play on a non pvp server; what's the point? Kill the same mob over and over? Utterly boring. The challenge of fighting other players is what makes the game worth the time investment.

I solo pvp most of the time, and your statement of "And on the rare occasion you're in 1v1 combat the outcome is determined almost entirely by luck" is pretty ignorant. Obviously you have no idea how to play your class, if you believe what you wrote. Skill is the determining factor in PvP. How could I, as a 60 rogue, ever hope to beat a 60 paladin, considering the paladin has every advantage in 1v1 combat? Much higher AC, healing, shields, decent damage... yet, I have only been beaten 1v1 by another 60 paladin once. As I said, skill is the determining factor. Gear is another major factor. Luck has little to do with it.

I play with a cross game pvp guild who's youngest member is 25. There are lawyers, scientists, business owners, etc in it's ranks. All of us love PvP for no other reason but for a challenge.

Try to keep the stupid comments to yourself next time.

:Q Should take your own advice there, lil' pardner Reading comprehension wouldn't hurt either.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Your problem is probably not that you're too intellectual :roll: or too emotionally balanced :roll: but, rather,

1. that you are too proud or insecure to endure the requisite failure to get good at PvP
AND
2. You're playing a completely contrived MMO in which PvP was less than an afterthought.

Competition is healthy....that is, if your emotionally balanced and smart enough to understand that it's merely a way of sharpening your skills rather than some kind of definition of self-worth or social standing.....and are playing a game that offers a real PvP experience.

 

[Gurck]

Why is it not surprising to have my opinion lambasted as 'wrong' by PvPers?

At any rate I simply don't find it fun. Sharpening skills is a weak argument, as PvE and PvP tactics differ greatly; honing one's PvE skills is best done against mobs. It has nothing to do with pride or skill; I've lost plenty of duels and actually gotten better at dueling. It's the fact that I simply don't find it entertaining, and would like to pick the brains of those who do a little. It's unfortunate that many are too insecure and immature to allow for differing opinions and to discuss something with logic and civility.

 

[exilera]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: exilera
I'm an only child, and frankly, I think your opinion is rediculous. I don't think you know what the hell you're talking about; especially not when it comes to WoW. There are plenty of people who enjoy PvP, who aren't prepubescent retards. I wouldn't play on a non pvp server; what's the point? Kill the same mob over and over? Utterly boring. The challenge of fighting other players is what makes the game worth the time investment.

I solo pvp most of the time, and your statement of "And on the rare occasion you're in 1v1 combat the outcome is determined almost entirely by luck" is pretty ignorant. Obviously you have no idea how to play your class, if you believe what you wrote. Skill is the determining factor in PvP. How could I, as a 60 rogue, ever hope to beat a 60 paladin, considering the paladin has every advantage in 1v1 combat? Much higher AC, healing, shields, decent damage... yet, I have only been beaten 1v1 by another 60 paladin once. As I said, skill is the determining factor. Gear is another major factor. Luck has little to do with it.

I play with a cross game pvp guild who's youngest member is 25. There are lawyers, scientists, business owners, etc in it's ranks. All of us love PvP for no other reason but for a challenge.

Try to keep the stupid comments to yourself next time.

:Q Should take your own advice there, lil' pardner Reading comprehension wouldn't hurt either.

Are you upset that I proved you're a moron? What kind of idiot would insult an entire group of people who don't share your own playing style? Obviously you don't like PvP. Does that mean everyone who does is "under 12" with "a low IQ", as you claim? What an idiot.

You don't like PvP because you suck at it, obviously. If it's so horrible, why waste everyone's time and post about it? Go play the SIMS.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: exilera
Are you upset that I proved you're a moron? What kind of idiot would insult an entire group of people who don't share your own playing style? Obviously you don't like PvP. Does that mean everyone who does is "under 12" with "a low IQ", as you claim? What an idiot.

You don't like PvP because you suck at it, obviously. If it's so horrible, why waste everyone's time and post about it? Go play the SIMS.

The only one you proved a moron is yourself, sport I mean, you couldn't even be bothered reading my post before replying, and are now lying about what I said and jumping to faulty conclusions as to why I feel the way I do... How much dumber could you be?

 

[exilera]

Originally posted by: Gurck
Why is it not surprising to have my opinion lambasted as 'wrong' by PvPers?

At any rate I simply don't find it fun. Sharpening skills is a weak argument, as PvE and PvP tactics differ greatly; honing one's PvE skills is best done against mobs. It has nothing to do with pride or skill; I've lost plenty of duels and actually gotten better at dueling. It's the fact that I simply don't find it entertaining, and would like to pick the brains of those who do a little. It's unfortunate that many are too insecure and immature to allow for differing opinions and to discuss something with logic and civility.

I never said your opinion is wrong, I just said it was moronic

Your original post outright insults people who enjoy PvP, and now you're claiming others offering an argument are "insecure and immature", while you want to discuss the topic with "logic and civility"? You're quite the piece of work, arn't you Can we say 'hypocrit'?

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: exilera
Your original post outright insults people who enjoy PvP

How so? I can see where it insults corpse campers and griefers, but not anyone who enjoys PvP.

and now you're claiming others offering an argument are "insecure and immature"

No, I'm claiming you are insecure and immature, and with good reason. You're unwilling to concede a different point of view and resort to namecalling and ad hom attacks when confronted with one. Are you a teenager?

 

[DanTMWTMP]

I think the purpose of online gaming is to play AGAINST other players. Counterstrike, XBOX live, pvp's etc..

It makes it more fun. Playing against bots = boring. PVP, there's soo many variables involved that exceed the game's intended design. It makes the game more fun and makes you play more. That's why I hate EQ2. Great PVE, but wtf no PVP no thank you. FFX1 --> great market system, great party system.. no pvp? damn sucky game.


And anyone who gets into a position where they allow themselves to be camped or griefed should know better. It's part of the gameplay and that's what makes it interesting. There are people in servers who go against griefers and such. Sh!t gets started, and that's how people online group together to fight another group of people. It makes the server intersting, it makes the game interesting.


WoW w/ their honor (? i think?) system is promising, and it's great that another mmo is introducing pvp. In the future, all mmo's should have the option to include pvp.

 

[exilera]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: exilera
Are you upset that I proved you're a moron? What kind of idiot would insult an entire group of people who don't share your own playing style? Obviously you don't like PvP. Does that mean everyone who does is "under 12" with "a low IQ", as you claim? What an idiot.

You don't like PvP because you suck at it, obviously. If it's so horrible, why waste everyone's time and post about it? Go play the SIMS.

The only one you proved a moron is yourself, sport I mean, you couldn't even be bothered reading my post before replying, and are now lying about what I said and jumping to faulty conclusions as to why I feel the way I do... How much dumber could you be?

"how anyone older than 12 and with an IQ higher than 75 could find this entertaining is beyond me"

You wrote it, dumbass. You can try to dispute it, but you'll still be a moron. How exactly am I "lying" about what you said? It's pretty damn cut and try. Perhaps you should re-read what you wrote before claiming someone responding to your rediculous post is "dumb" Hypocrit.

 

[Litchfield285]

I don't exactly know why I love PvP so much, but I do know I'd be bored to tears on a PvE server. The random raids, spur of the moment SS vs. TM battles, and small encounters out in the game world are just so much fun. It breaks up the monotony of questing/grinding/instances... fighting a real person that isnt AI is such a test of your true skills as a player, and the feeling I get from defeating a like level horde player is great.

Now the griefing and stuff the goes along with a PvP server is just a part of it. I dont like this aspect of PvP, but its unavoidable... The good far outweighs the bad imo...

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: exilera
"how anyone older than 12 and with an IQ higher than 75 could find this entertaining is beyond me"

You wrote it, dumbass. You can try to dispute it, but you'll still be a moron. How exactly am I "lying" about what you said? It's pretty damn cut and try. Perhaps you should re-read what you wrote before claiming someone responding to your rediculous post is "dumb" Hypocrit.

Yes, "this" being corpse camping and griefing. Anyone with a high school English education knows what I was referring to... I'll ask again since you seem to be avoiding the question (and are again resorting to namecalling) - how old are you?

 

[DanTMWTMP]

In Lineage2, there's pvp events and castle sieges that involve up to literally hundreds to thousands of people in one area killing each other.

a few examples can be found here:
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/usergallery.php?user=DanTMWTMP&orderby=date


EDIT: and why has this argument turned into how old we are? Who really cares? I. Like. PvP.

To each his own.

I personally love pvp. It's the root of online gaming and it should stay.

People should not complain about getting griefed and camped. There are numorous ways put yourself in a position to avoid it. Like in L2, there are ingame NPC guards in the hunting grounds in lowlvl areas. Just hunt around them to avoid being ganked by a higher level person.

Also, there are plenty of people in servers who like helping others out in killing the griefers/campers.

 

[Gurck]

Btw Dan & Litch - thanks for the real replies.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Gurck
It's unfortunate that many are too insecure and immature to allow for differing opinions and to discuss something with logic and civility.

The same logic and civility in your original post?

:roll:

I like competition. Most people do. I play basketball, lettered in varsity track, love playing C-S, PvP in UO and DAoC. Sometimes things are stacked against you and the other team has better players or more players and you're fighting a losing cause.....leave the game if you don't want to deal with it or play anyway and see what happens.

It sounds like a question about competition in general and your distaste for it. I'd recommend an opinion from a therapist, or, better yet, the people in off-topic.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Gurck
It's unfortunate that many are too insecure and immature to allow for differing opinions and to discuss something with logic and civility.

The same logic and civility in your original post?

:roll:

I like competition. Most people do. I play basketball, lettered in varsity track, love playing C-S, PvP in UO and DAoC. Sometimes things are stacked against you and the other team has better players or more players and you're fighting a losing cause.....leave the game if you don't want to deal with it or play anyway and see what happens.

It sounds like a question about competition in general and your distaste for it. I'd recommend an opinion from a therapist, or, better yet, the people in off-topic.

You're one to talk about therapy dude, you post in most MMOG threads to assert how you're cooler than other people because you played UO for x number of years... I play because I enjoy it, not because I think it's cool and to inflate my e-peen... but then the e-donger is what it seems to be all about for many pvpers.

 

[jer0608]

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: exilera
Are you upset that I proved you're a moron? What kind of idiot would insult an entire group of people who don't share your own playing style? Obviously you don't like PvP. Does that mean everyone who does is "under 12" with "a low IQ", as you claim? What an idiot.

You don't like PvP because you suck at it, obviously. If it's so horrible, why waste everyone's time and post about it? Go play the SIMS.

The only one you proved a moron is yourself, sport I mean, you couldn't even be bothered reading my post before replying, and are now lying about what I said and jumping to faulty conclusions as to why I feel the way I do... How much dumber could you be?

"how anyone older than 12 and with an IQ higher than 75 could find this entertaining is beyond me"

You wrote it, dumbass. You can try to dispute it, but you'll still be a moron. How exactly am I "lying" about what you said? It's pretty damn cut and try. Perhaps you should re-read what you wrote before claiming someone responding to your rediculous post is "dumb" Hypocrit.

I read the OP as more of a challenge to explain PVP, rather than an insult to PvP'ers. I believe Gurck is saying that he understands how an immature individual can enjoy the ganking aspect of PvP, but there must be some other appeal to engage so many intelligent, mature players. This post is about enumerating what that appeal is. Unfortunately, your posts, with the insults and general flailing of the e-penis, are not helping with the apparent misperception of PvP'ers.

 

[exilera]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: exilera
Your original post outright insults people who enjoy PvP

How so? I can see where it insults corpse campers and griefers, but not anyone who enjoys PvP.

and now you're claiming others offering an argument are "insecure and immature"

No, I'm claiming you are insecure and immature, and with good reason. You're unwilling to concede a different point of view and resort to namecalling and ad hom attacks when confronted with one. Are you a teenager?

You should take your own advice about reading comprehension, kiddo. I wrote "I play with a cross game pvp guild who's youngest member is 25. There are lawyers, scientists, business owners, etc in it's ranks. All of us love PvP for no other reason but for a challenge." Leave it to the moron to break out the age card

"How so? I can see where it insults corpse campers and griefers, but not anyone who enjoys PvP."

Your only reference to "corpse campers and griefers" are for those who play on PvP servers. The rest of your post you specifically refer to PvE servers and PvP flags.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Litchfield285
I don't exactly know why I love PvP so much, but I do know I'd be bored to tears on a PvE server. The random raids, spur of the moment SS vs. TM battles, and small encounters out in the game world are just so much fun. It breaks up the monotony of questing/grinding/instances... fighting a real person that isnt AI is such a test of your true skills as a player, and the feeling I get from defeating a like level horde player is great.

Now the griefing and stuff the goes along with a PvP server is just a part of it. I dont like this aspect of PvP, but its unavoidable... The good far outweighs the bad imo...

Agreed. I'm on a PvE server and have enjoyed myself up until ~lvl 40. After that, things were still OK, but kinda lacking. With the patch yesterday, I joined a raid group (I'm 45 now) and we took TM several times and attempted UC (lol - a disaster, but a fun one.)

I also took out a 46 warrior that was PvP enabled near SM. That's not griefing or ganking - that's playing by the rules that everyone on the server is paying $15/month to agree to. Trust me, that 2.4G equipment repair cost for rezzing hurt me more than I hurt any of the few Horde I killed.

Don't like PvP? Play on a PvE server and don't type /pvp.

Problem solved, no?

 

[Quixfire]

PvP does not do it for me. I like the idea of being able to battle with the opposing faction but I don't like being ganked all the time in contested areas. I like PvE better because you can choose to be in a battle. I do understand some towns are being raided on PvE servers do to the new honor system but this isn't abnormal because organized raids have happened before the patch and will continue whether or not the honor system changes.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Quixfire
WoW PvP does not do it for me.

Fixed.

Do you like Counter-strike? That's PvP.