If you're honestly not a teenager, why act like one?Originally posted by: exilera
You should take your own advice about reading comprehension, kiddo. I wrote "I play with a cross game pvp guild who's youngest member is 25. There are lawyers, scientists, business owners, etc in it's ranks. All of us love PvP for no other reason but for a challenge." Leave it to the moron to break out the age card
"How so? I can see where it insults corpse campers and griefers, but not anyone who enjoys PvP."
Your only reference to "corpse campers and griefers" are for those who play on PvP servers. The rest of your post you specifically refer to PvE servers and PvP flags.
I view it more as playing WITH other players, but the point is valid.
When I play a computer game, a large part of the appeal for me is escapism, like with a book or movie, only more involved and interactive. I get to be someone else for a while, do things I could never do in real life and be part of a fictional world. If PvP fits into that fictional role I'm playing, then I am all for it. In my mind, WoW was on the right track with the whole Horde vs Alliance thing, but then blew it by not having PvP influence your character or the world in any fashion. The Honor system is a start, but it seems contrived and seems like it might "jar" with the "reality" of the game world.
As far as competition for competition's sake, I have no need of that in a computer game. If I want to compete, I'll challenge friends/family/strangers/etc to a game of chess/basketball/quarters/etc. In the process, I'll improve my mind/fitness/alcohol tolerance as well as my social life.
This is why I never "got" games like Unreal Tournament - instead of inhabiting a plausible fictional world, you're left playing some virtual sporting event solely for the competition aspect. Not my cup of tea, but to each their own.
Malladine
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Man this went downhill fast, you know how to pick em Gurck 
I personally love well implemented pvp, eg 1997-99 UO, DoTA map for WC3-TFT. In fact i'd rather pvp (fight other players) than anything else, period (again, providing it's well implemented). That isn't to say I don't enjoy other games.
I have 1 younger bro who I barely spoke with after the age of around 14-15 and have seen once in the last 6 yrs. I have always been competitive, sports, games, whatever, sometimes too much so; my anger has been known to get the better of me when I lose (anger at myself). But I wouldn't give it up for anything. Fighting against other people is the biggest rush you can get in the world of gaming, no contest. It's adrenaline Gurck, plain and simple. And as for wanting to gank/be cooler/etcetc, that doesn't really apply to me. I enjoy pvp for the challenge. For example, a game of DOTA in which my team completely rolls over the opposing team is very "meh". I much prefer a well practiced opponent to a n00b any day of the week.
This is important to remember: it is all about practice. I used to play warcraft 3 online, regular 1v1 games. I barely maintained a 50% win ratio after over 500 games simply because I couldn't put the hours in. Nor did I want to (the best players put 60+hrs a week in, easily). If you find yourself getting "pwned" a lot in a decent multiplayer game (read NOT WoW), it is almost inevitably because you haven't played enough.
Oh and to make it perfectly clear, WoW pvp is a poor example to use here, extremely poor.
EDIT: just read the above post mentioning UT. I would like to add that I dislike such random pvp as unreal tourney, quake, etc. IMO they're nothing more than near-mindless twitch fests and hold next to no appeal for me. From a pvp perspective I exclusively play tactical shooters and other more involved pvp games. I'm more advanced donchaknow
I personally love well implemented pvp, eg 1997-99 UO, DoTA map for WC3-TFT. In fact i'd rather pvp (fight other players) than anything else, period (again, providing it's well implemented). That isn't to say I don't enjoy other games.
I have 1 younger bro who I barely spoke with after the age of around 14-15 and have seen once in the last 6 yrs. I have always been competitive, sports, games, whatever, sometimes too much so; my anger has been known to get the better of me when I lose (anger at myself). But I wouldn't give it up for anything. Fighting against other people is the biggest rush you can get in the world of gaming, no contest. It's adrenaline Gurck, plain and simple. And as for wanting to gank/be cooler/etcetc, that doesn't really apply to me. I enjoy pvp for the challenge. For example, a game of DOTA in which my team completely rolls over the opposing team is very "meh". I much prefer a well practiced opponent to a n00b any day of the week.
This is important to remember: it is all about practice. I used to play warcraft 3 online, regular 1v1 games. I barely maintained a 50% win ratio after over 500 games simply because I couldn't put the hours in. Nor did I want to (the best players put 60+hrs a week in, easily). If you find yourself getting "pwned" a lot in a decent multiplayer game (read NOT WoW), it is almost inevitably because you haven't played enough.
Oh and to make it perfectly clear, WoW pvp is a poor example to use here, extremely poor.
EDIT: just read the above post mentioning UT. I would like to add that I dislike such random pvp as unreal tourney, quake, etc. IMO they're nothing more than near-mindless twitch fests and hold next to no appeal for me. From a pvp perspective I exclusively play tactical shooters and other more involved pvp games. I'm more advanced donchaknow
HeroOfPellinor
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Originally posted by: Gurck
Yes, "this" being corpse camping and griefing. Anyone with a high school English education knows what I was referring to... I'll ask again since you seem to be avoiding the question (and are again resorting to namecalling) - how old are you?Originally posted by: exilera
"how anyone older than 12 and with an IQ higher than 75 could find this entertaining is beyond me"
You wrote it, dumbass. You can try to dispute it, but you'll still be a moron. How exactly am I "lying" about what you said? It's pretty damn cut and try. Perhaps you should re-read what you wrote before claiming someone responding to your rediculous post is "dumb"
I'm not avoiding a thing. If you ask a stupid question, you won't get an answer. I've said twice now that I belong to a guild where "the youngest member is 25". You'll have to be satisfied with that.
Originally posted by: Gurck
If you're honestly not a teenager, why act like one?Originally posted by: exilera
You should take your own advice about reading comprehension, kiddo. I wrote "I play with a cross game pvp guild who's youngest member is 25. There are lawyers, scientists, business owners, etc in it's ranks. All of us love PvP for no other reason but for a challenge." Leave it to the moron to break out the age card
"How so? I can see where it insults corpse campers and griefers, but not anyone who enjoys PvP."
Your only reference to "corpse campers and griefers" are for those who play on PvP servers. The rest of your post you specifically refer to PvE servers and PvP flags.
Why insult a large group of people in your original post and then claim you want to have a civil conversation?
I'm not much into the PvP aspect of the game. As a 60 priest I enjoy the challenge of strategizing and taking down a huge boss. For me, most PvP encounters are, get a bunch of people and go attack a town randomly with no sort of plan other than to kill someone. I'm not saying ALL pvp encounters are like this, but for me that's how it's been.
I would love to be able to do something like, a 10v10 vs another alliance guild in the arena. Meet up on the WoW boards or something and we both present our 10 class teams to each other, then both guilds go off and strategize for a day or two on how to best counter each others teams. Then we meet and fight best of 11 rounds or something (which introduces an evolution of your tactics as the fights progress vs the planned one). That would be alot more rewarding than just running into a town and AE'ing or whatever with people you don't know.
I would love to be able to do something like, a 10v10 vs another alliance guild in the arena. Meet up on the WoW boards or something and we both present our 10 class teams to each other, then both guilds go off and strategize for a day or two on how to best counter each others teams. Then we meet and fight best of 11 rounds or something (which introduces an evolution of your tactics as the fights progress vs the planned one). That would be alot more rewarding than just running into a town and AE'ing or whatever with people you don't know.
Originally posted by: exilera
Originally posted by: Gurck
If you're honestly not a teenager, why act like one?Originally posted by: exilera
You should take your own advice about reading comprehension, kiddo. I wrote "I play with a cross game pvp guild who's youngest member is 25. There are lawyers, scientists, business owners, etc in it's ranks. All of us love PvP for no other reason but for a challenge." Leave it to the moron to break out the age card
"How so? I can see where it insults corpse campers and griefers, but not anyone who enjoys PvP."
Your only reference to "corpse campers and griefers" are for those who play on PvP servers. The rest of your post you specifically refer to PvE servers and PvP flags.
Why insult a large group of people in your original post and then claim you want to have a civil conversation?
Why lie about what I said?
My OP is right there for anyone with a brain to read and see my intent, your insistence on misreading it is making you look even more dull.
HeroOfPellinor
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HeroOfPellinor
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GasX
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That I have an obsession with Gnomes because my mommy didn't love me enough as a child? Or maybe that I have Gnome envy because fo their huge "intellects"? Perhaps, it is that I have a Gnomal complex and want to kill my mother and sleep with a Gnome?
Man, you really know how to nail the zingers!
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: exilera
Originally posted by: Gurck
If you're honestly not a teenager, why act like one?Originally posted by: exilera
You should take your own advice about reading comprehension, kiddo. I wrote "I play with a cross game pvp guild who's youngest member is 25. There are lawyers, scientists, business owners, etc in it's ranks. All of us love PvP for no other reason but for a challenge." Leave it to the moron to break out the age card
"How so? I can see where it insults corpse campers and griefers, but not anyone who enjoys PvP."
Your only reference to "corpse campers and griefers" are for those who play on PvP servers. The rest of your post you specifically refer to PvE servers and PvP flags.
Why insult a large group of people in your original post and then claim you want to have a civil conversation?
Why lie about what I said?
How exactly am I "lying" about anything? You insulted a group of people; there's no disputing that. Even if the we disagree as to who that insult was geared to, the fact remains the same; it's an insult. Next, you're commenting that you want a civil conversation, and then claiming I'm insecure and immature, all after you throw out an insult in your original post. It all makes you look like a damn fool
Originally posted by: exilera
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: exilera
Originally posted by: Gurck
If you're honestly not a teenager, why act like one?Originally posted by: exilera
You should take your own advice about reading comprehension, kiddo. I wrote "I play with a cross game pvp guild who's youngest member is 25. There are lawyers, scientists, business owners, etc in it's ranks. All of us love PvP for no other reason but for a challenge." Leave it to the moron to break out the age card
"How so? I can see where it insults corpse campers and griefers, but not anyone who enjoys PvP."
Your only reference to "corpse campers and griefers" are for those who play on PvP servers. The rest of your post you specifically refer to PvE servers and PvP flags.
Why insult a large group of people in your original post and then claim you want to have a civil conversation?
Why lie about what I said?
How exactly am I "lying" about anything? You insulted a group of people; there's no disputing that. Even if the we disagree as to who that insult was geared to, the fact remains the same; it's an insult. Next, you're commenting that you want a civil conversation, and then claiming I'm insecure and immature, all after you throw out an insult in your original post. It all makes you look like a damn fool
Again, this is just baffling. The only ones whoo look like fools here are you and Hero. You're also implying you're a griefer.
I'm on a Normal server, and 2 out of three of those things listed happen regularly. The only exception is small encounters while questing out in the world.
There are battles at TM/SS and Crossroads daily, I see people organizing raids in Orgrimmar on a regular basis.
I like a change of pace and PvP from time to time as well. I'm not particularly good at it, but when I have my rogue or priest I do okay, the warrior does mediocre and the warlock, well... not so great. Mostly my level (~36-40) prohibits me from getting too into the action when a TM vs. SS raid starts up, but duels and PvP action help to understand the abilities of the other classes and brings a nice change of pace from time to time.
Most of the PvP action I see is when a single level 60 rogue or hunter gets bored and decides to attack crossroads or Tarren Mill. The whole town of lowbies then organize a raid to try to defeat him. A team of Davids vs. a single Goliath is fun, and tactics are very key here, for if you spread out even a little thin, you get ROCKED. But it's fun when you can get 5 people on him at once. Even if they're half the level, he goes down pretty quick.
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Originally posted by: Malladine
Man this went downhill fast, you know how to pick em Gurck
I personally love well implemented pvp, eg 1997-99 UO, DoTA map for WC3-TFT. In fact i'd rather pvp (fight other players) than anything else, period (again, providing it's well implemented). That isn't to say I don't enjoy other games.
I have 1 younger bro who I barely spoke with after the age of around 14-15 and have seen once in the last 6 yrs. I have always been competitive, sports, games, whatever, sometimes too much so; my anger has been known to get the better of me when I lose (anger at myself). But I wouldn't give it up for anything. Fighting against other people is the biggest rush you can get in the world of gaming, no contest. It's adrenaline Gurck, plain and simple. And as for wanting to gank/be cooler/etcetc, that doesn't really apply to me. I enjoy pvp for the challenge. For example, a game of DOTA in which my team completely rolls over the opposing team is very "meh". I much prefer a well practiced opponent to a n00b any day of the week.
This is important to remember: it is all about practice. I used to play warcraft 3 online, regular 1v1 games. I barely maintained a 50% win ratio after over 500 games simply because I couldn't put the hours in. Nor did I want to (the best players put 60+hrs a week in, easily). If you find yourself getting "pwned" a lot in a decent multiplayer game (read NOT WoW), it is almost inevitably because you haven't played enough.
Oh and to make it perfectly clear, WoW pvp is a poor example to use here, extremely poor.
EDIT: just read the above post mentioning UT. I would like to add that I dislike such random pvp as unreal tourney, quake, etc. IMO they're nothing more than near-mindless twitch fests and hold next to no appeal for me. From a pvp perspective I exclusively play tactical shooters and other more involved pvp games. I'm more advanced donchaknow
By PvP, I thought this would be limited to RPG-based games like WOW, Diablo 2, EQ1, UO, etc. I play plenty of online games against others, but they aren't considered to be PvP.
Even though...they are.
Malladine
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Right, the pricinple is the same. The two games I did mention are rpg based though. If you own tft I highly recommend dota.Originally posted by: BlueWeasel
Originally posted by: Malladine
Man this went downhill fast, you know how to pick em Gurck
I personally love well implemented pvp, eg 1997-99 UO, DoTA map for WC3-TFT. In fact i'd rather pvp (fight other players) than anything else, period (again, providing it's well implemented). That isn't to say I don't enjoy other games.
I have 1 younger bro who I barely spoke with after the age of around 14-15 and have seen once in the last 6 yrs. I have always been competitive, sports, games, whatever, sometimes too much so; my anger has been known to get the better of me when I lose (anger at myself). But I wouldn't give it up for anything. Fighting against other people is the biggest rush you can get in the world of gaming, no contest. It's adrenaline Gurck, plain and simple. And as for wanting to gank/be cooler/etcetc, that doesn't really apply to me. I enjoy pvp for the challenge. For example, a game of DOTA in which my team completely rolls over the opposing team is very "meh". I much prefer a well practiced opponent to a n00b any day of the week.
This is important to remember: it is all about practice. I used to play warcraft 3 online, regular 1v1 games. I barely maintained a 50% win ratio after over 500 games simply because I couldn't put the hours in. Nor did I want to (the best players put 60+hrs a week in, easily). If you find yourself getting "pwned" a lot in a decent multiplayer game (read NOT WoW), it is almost inevitably because you haven't played enough.
Oh and to make it perfectly clear, WoW pvp is a poor example to use here, extremely poor.
EDIT: just read the above post mentioning UT. I would like to add that I dislike such random pvp as unreal tourney, quake, etc. IMO they're nothing more than near-mindless twitch fests and hold next to no appeal for me. From a pvp perspective I exclusively play tactical shooters and other more involved pvp games. I'm more advanced donchaknow
By PvP, I thought this would be limited to RPG-based games like WOW, Diablo 2, EQ1, UO, etc. I play plenty of online games against others, but they aren't considered to be PvP.
Even though...they are.
Well to add my 2 cents. I play mmorpgs to cooperate, when my group kills something that none of us could have come close to alone, by mutal effort is what dings my bell. I think the rewards given in wow for pvp is going to backfire on them. At least my eq1 experience says the vast majority of players in that game did not play on pvp servers. However the battlenet kiddies are a different audiance. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out in time. Character development, mutal effort in grouping are the things that I play for. But thats my, opion.
Please excuse the poor spelling.
Please excuse the poor spelling.
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