What about PvP "does it" for you?

[exilera]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: exilera
Your original post outright insults people who enjoy PvP

How so? I can see where it insults corpse campers and griefers, but not anyone who enjoys PvP.

and now you're claiming others offering an argument are "insecure and immature"

No, I'm claiming you are insecure and immature, and with good reason. You're unwilling to concede a different point of view and resort to namecalling and ad hom attacks when confronted with one. Are you a teenager?

You should take your own advice about reading comprehension, kiddo. I wrote "I play with a cross game pvp guild who's youngest member is 25. There are lawyers, scientists, business owners, etc in it's ranks. All of us love PvP for no other reason but for a challenge." Leave it to the moron to break out the age card

"How so? I can see where it insults corpse campers and griefers, but not anyone who enjoys PvP."

Your only reference to "corpse campers and griefers" are for those who play on PvP servers. The rest of your post you specifically refer to PvE servers and PvP flags.

If you're honestly not a teenager, why act like one?

Why insult a large group of people in your original post and then claim you want to have a civil conversation?

Why lie about what I said? My OP is right there for anyone with a brain to read and see my intent, your insistence on misreading it is making you look even more dull.

How exactly am I "lying" about anything? You insulted a group of people; there's no disputing that. Even if the we disagree as to who that insult was geared to, the fact remains the same; it's an insult. Next, you're commenting that you want a civil conversation, and then claiming I'm insecure and immature, all after you throw out an insult in your original post. It all makes you look like a damn fool

Again, this is just baffling. The only ones whoo look like fools here are you and Hero. You're also implying you're a griefer.

We look like fools because we're the only ones who disagree with you

I only have a problem with people who create a post and insult a large number of people in the process. If you had phrased your post differently, I'd have responded kindly, or I wouldn't have responded at all.

You also need to understand that "griefing" is part of the game. If you're in a contested zone, you kill someone and they pop up and attack you again, would you then allow them the time to regen their mana/health and attack you, yet again, or would you kill them a third time after they res, knowing they'll just attack anyway? Do you think it's wrong to attack someone while they're xping/fighting a mob? If you do, then it's a good thing you don't play on a PvP server, because you seem like you'd be just the type to whine about it. This is the way the game works; your comment was directed toward me, my guild and the thousands who plays on a PvP server to win. Everyone I fight on Tichondrius plays the same way. You fight to win, and in a virtual world there's nothing wrong with ensuring you win by keeping the enemy down.

 

[Litchfield285]

Originally posted by: Concillian

Originally posted by: Litchfield285
I don't exactly know why I love PvP so much, but I do know I'd be bored to tears on a PvE server. The random raids, spur of the moment SS vs. TM battles, and small encounters out in the game world are just so much fun.

I'm on a Normal server, and 2 out of three of those things listed happen regularly. The only exception is small encounters while questing out in the world.

There are battles at TM/SS and Crossroads daily, I see people organizing raids in Orgrimmar on a regular basis.

I like a change of pace and PvP from time to time as well. I'm not particularly good at it, but when I have my rogue or priest I do okay, the warrior does mediocre and the warlock, well... not so great. Mostly my level (~36-40) prohibits me from getting too into the action when a TM vs. SS raid starts up, but duels and PvP action help to understand the abilities of the other classes and brings a nice change of pace from time to time.

Most of the PvP action I see is when a single level 60 rogue or hunter gets bored and decides to attack crossroads or Tarren Mill. The whole town of lowbies then organize a raid to try to defeat him. A team of Davids vs. a single Goliath is fun, and tactics are very key here, for if you spread out even a little thin, you get ROCKED. But it's fun when you can get 5 people on him at once. Even if they're half the level, he goes down pretty quick.

Its not the same when you have to stop, /pvp, then start fighting... I understand the Raids and SS vs. TM battles happen on PvE servers, but I can guarantee you that they are no where near the intensity that they are on PvP servers, when most people are forced to fight, run, or die... its just not the same... it cant be, thats why there are different rulesets...

 

[Concillian]

Originally posted by: abaez
I would love to be able to do something like, a 10v10 vs another alliance guild in the arena. Meet up on the WoW boards or something and we both present our 10 class teams to each other, then both guilds go off and strategize for a day or two on how to best counter each others teams.

This is what I wish Blizzard should turn Battlegrounds into.

You have the large battlegrounds for the all out wars, but have a single meeting place where you can do 5 on 5 or 8 on 8 or something. Have an NPC in the two major cities (call him a general or something) who helps you organize a group and choose a location, then send you into battle (like entering an instance portal) against another group. This brings the Warcraft concept full circle. You play like a FPS but with a full RPG aspect to it.

It would be ENDLESS fun for people at level cap who don't want to PvE raid. People could get small teams together just like they do for FPS who have very set tactics and voicecomms and such, but wouldn't need to try to organize 40 people, more like squad level where you are dealing with manageable sized teams. maybe 5 on 5 for basic maps and 8 on 8 or 10 on 10 for goal oriented maps where you need seperate offensive and defensive squads.

I think BG will be close to this, but I'm afraid it will be too large scale to be feasible. I think they need some repeatable but interesting content like this for smaller groups for the 'family' type guilds that have maybe 10 or so consistent players plus some casual players.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: exilera
We look like fools because we're the only ones who disagree with you

Not at all, you look like a fool because you fear & put down anyone different than you and think namecalling is a valid and mature debate tactic. Hero does because he twists others' words in an apparent attempt to "pwn" them rather than make posts with any meat to them.

Just because you look down on others simply for disagreeing with you (which btw is a surefire sign of insecurity & fear) doesn't mean others do the same.

I only have a problem with people who create a post and insult a large number of people in the process. If you had phrased your post differently, I'd have responded kindly, or I wouldn't have responded at all.

I doubt it, I think the inclination to compete is rather strong with you, probably somewhat of an evolutionary throwback. Your apparent rabid lust for it in games is merely extending to an online forum. Here you are lying about what I've said simply to justify further name calling; ie. further fighting & competition.

You also need to understand that "griefing" is part of the game

Ah so you are a griefer after all, good to know where you're coming from on this. Interesting rationalization.

Grow up.

 

[Concillian]

Originally posted by: Litchfield285
Its not the same when you have to stop, /pvp, then start fighting... I understand the Raids and SS vs. TM battles happen on PvE servers, but I can guarantee you that they are no where near the intensity that they are on PvP servers, when most people are forced to fight, run, or die... its just not the same... it cant be, thats why there are different rulesets...

You don't have to stop /pvp then start fighting. You cast a spell on someone flagged or click to attack them and you are auto-flagged. People raiding get auto-flagged when they attack guards.

You end up with two masses of flagged players facing each other, and those playes either have to fight, run or die. It's the same in these situations except the lowbies who want to quest will either stand and watch or they will run through the middle of the fight on their way to their questing, minding their own business.

It takes 5 minutes for PvP to fade if you turn it off, it's not like you can get out of a fight by turning off your flag, you end up in the same fight, run, die situation. The only REAL difference in the rulesets are the random encounters when you're questing. People who want to KOS and to be able to have their questing time interrupted are on PvP servers, those who would rather seperate the two activities only for when they want to quest or want to PvP will choose Normal servers.

The difference in the TM / SS raids are that the level 25s doing their quests don't get caught in the middle if they don't want to. It doesn't change the experience for the higher level people a whole lot, as the level 60s don't really have any challenge killing the 20-somethings.

 

[exilera]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: exilera
We look like fools because we're the only ones who disagree with you

Not at all, you look like a fool because you fear & put down anyone different than you and think namecalling is a valid and mature debate tactic. Hero does because he twists others' words in an apparent attempt to "pwn" them rather than make posts with any meat to them.

I only have a problem with people who create a post and insult a large number of people in the process. If you had phrased your post differently, I'd have responded kindly, or I wouldn't have responded at all.

I doubt it, I think the inclination to compete is rather strong with you, probably somewhat of an evolutionary throwback. Your apparent rabid lust for it in games is merely extending to an online forum. Here you are lying about what I've said simply to justify further name calling; ie. further fighting & competition.

You also need to understand that "griefing" is part of the game

Ah so you are a griefer after all, good to know where you're coming from on this. Interesting rationalization.

Grow up.

Wow, you completely disregard a completely civil paragraph and take one sentence out of context. There goes your reading comprehension down the drain, kid Hypocrit. Take your own advice and read the entire post before you respond.

"Here you are lying about what I've said simply to justify further name calling; ie. further fighting & competition."

You like that word apparently. If you use it so much, you need to be justified in doing so. You're just grasping at straws to prove your point.

You like competition as well, it seems, because you're here doing exactly what you're trying to put me down for; arguing Again, hypocrit.

 

[Malladine]

you two need to get into a game and pwn each other - this is pathetic.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: exilera
We look like fools because we're the only ones who disagree with you

Not at all, you look like a fool because you fear & put down anyone different than you and think namecalling is a valid and mature debate tactic. Hero does because he twists others' words in an apparent attempt to "pwn" them rather than make posts with any meat to them.

I only have a problem with people who create a post and insult a large number of people in the process. If you had phrased your post differently, I'd have responded kindly, or I wouldn't have responded at all.

I doubt it, I think the inclination to compete is rather strong with you, probably somewhat of an evolutionary throwback. Your apparent rabid lust for it in games is merely extending to an online forum. Here you are lying about what I've said simply to justify further name calling; ie. further fighting & competition.

You also need to understand that "griefing" is part of the game

Ah so you are a griefer after all, good to know where you're coming from on this. Interesting rationalization.

Grow up.

Wow, you completely disregard a completely civil paragraph and take one sentence out of context. There goes your reading comprehension down the drain, kid Hypocrit. Take your own advice and read the entire post before you respond.

"Here you are lying about what I've said simply to justify further name calling; ie. further fighting & competition."

You like that word apparently. If you use it so much, you need to be justified in doing so. You're just grasping at straws to prove your point.

You like competition as well, it seems, because you're here doing exactly what you're trying to put me down for; arguing Again, hypocrit.

Defending and attacking are two different things, Bucko. Not a thing you've written has been civil or even had any meat to it - all you've done is try to "pwn" me with names and ad homs - unfortunately for you, this isn't middle school, so you've succeeded only in proving your immaturity, intolerance and stupidity.

Again - grow up.

 

[BlueWeasel]

Originally posted by: Malladine
you two need to get into a game and pwn each other - this is pathetic.

Quick! Someone fire up their iPod and let them dance off. The entire AT community will wait to see who gets served.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

OMG it's like the pot and the kettle throwing coal at each other.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel

Originally posted by: Malladine
you two need to get into a game and pwn each other - this is pathetic.

Quick! Someone fire up their iPod and let them dance off. The entire AT community will wait to see who gets served.

:laugh::laugh:

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel

Originally posted by: Malladine
you two need to get into a game and pwn each other - this is pathetic.

Quick! Someone fire up their iPod and let them dance off. The entire AT community will wait to see who gets served.

:laugh:

 

[exilera]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: exilera
We look like fools because we're the only ones who disagree with you

Not at all, you look like a fool because you fear & put down anyone different than you and think namecalling is a valid and mature debate tactic. Hero does because he twists others' words in an apparent attempt to "pwn" them rather than make posts with any meat to them.

I only have a problem with people who create a post and insult a large number of people in the process. If you had phrased your post differently, I'd have responded kindly, or I wouldn't have responded at all.

I doubt it, I think the inclination to compete is rather strong with you, probably somewhat of an evolutionary throwback. Your apparent rabid lust for it in games is merely extending to an online forum. Here you are lying about what I've said simply to justify further name calling; ie. further fighting & competition.

You also need to understand that "griefing" is part of the game

Ah so you are a griefer after all, good to know where you're coming from on this. Interesting rationalization.

Grow up.

Wow, you completely disregard a completely civil paragraph and take one sentence out of context. There goes your reading comprehension down the drain, kid Hypocrit. Take your own advice and read the entire post before you respond.

"Here you are lying about what I've said simply to justify further name calling; ie. further fighting & competition."

You like that word apparently. If you use it so much, you need to be justified in doing so. You're just grasping at straws to prove your point.

You like competition as well, it seems, because you're here doing exactly what you're trying to put me down for; arguing Again, hypocrit.

Defending and attacking are two different things, Bucko. Not a thing you've written has been civil or even had any meat to it - all you've done is try to "pwn" me with names and ad homs - unfortunately for you, this isn't middle school, so you've succeeded only in proving your immaturity, intolerance and stupidity.

Again - grow up.

"proving your immaturity, intolerance and stupidity."

Kinda like opening a thread with an insult toward thousands of people, because you don't agree with the way they play

 

[exilera]

Originally posted by: Malladine
you two need to get into a game and pwn each other - this is pathetic.

You know, I agree.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: exilera
"proving your immaturity, intolerance and stupidity."

Kinda like opening a thread with an insult toward thousands of people, because you don't agree with the way they play

Nobdy likes a griefer, not even generally themselves. Sometimes their mom, but that's about it Instead of making childish posts defending your childish playstyle, try growing up. Alternatively, post on boards where others like you post - I'd suggest MTV or CS forums.

 

[exilera]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: exilera
"proving your immaturity, intolerance and stupidity."

Kinda like opening a thread with an insult toward thousands of people, because you don't agree with the way they play

Nobdy likes a griefer, not even generally themselves. Sometimes their mom, but that's about it Instead of making childish posts defending your childish playstyle, try growing up. Alternatively, post on boards where others like you post - I'd suggest MTV or CS forums.

Trying to insult someone by their age, bringing up family as an insult, you really got me there buddy!

You keep getting more and more personal, and it just makes you look more and more like a moron.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: exilera
"proving your immaturity, intolerance and stupidity."

Kinda like opening a thread with an insult toward thousands of people, because you don't agree with the way they play

Nobdy likes a griefer, not even generally themselves. Sometimes their mom, but that's about it Instead of making childish posts defending your childish playstyle, try growing up. Alternatively, post on boards where others like you post - I'd suggest MTV or CS forums.

Trying to insult someone by their age, bringing up family as an insult, you really got me there buddy!

You keep getting more and more personal, and it just makes you look more and more like a moron.

Who's insulting anyone on age? I was a teenager once too. At any rate, I have to admit you are somehow managing to look even less intelligent with each post - and after the first one I thought that would be impossible, silly me

 

[exilera]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: exilera
"proving your immaturity, intolerance and stupidity."

Kinda like opening a thread with an insult toward thousands of people, because you don't agree with the way they play

Nobdy likes a griefer, not even generally themselves. Sometimes their mom, but that's about it Instead of making childish posts defending your childish playstyle, try growing up. Alternatively, post on boards where others like you post - I'd suggest MTV or CS forums.

Trying to insult someone by their age, bringing up family as an insult, you really got me there buddy!

You keep getting more and more personal, and it just makes you look more and more like a moron.

Who's insulting anyone on age? I was a teenager once too. At any rate, I have to admit you are somehow managing to look even less intelligent with each post - and after the first one I thought that would be impossible, silly me

You can try to spin it any way you want, which you've done unsuccessfully this entire thead, but you're done

 

[Gurck]

*yawn*, still defending griefing kid?

 

[GasX]

Which one of you two is rubber and which one is glue?

 

[Gurck]

I must be kid-glue because my posts attract them like nothing else

 

[exilera]

Originally posted by: Gurck
*yawn*, still defending griefing kid?

Read what I wrote in it's entirety this time.

"You also need to understand that "griefing" is part of the game. If you're in a contested zone, you kill someone and they pop up and attack you again, would you then allow them the time to regen their mana/health and attack you, yet again, or would you kill them a third time after they res, knowing they'll just attack anyway? Do you think it's wrong to attack someone while they're xping/fighting a mob? If you do, then it's a good thing you don't play on a PvP server, because you seem like you'd be just the type to whine about it. This is the way the game works; your comment was directed toward me, my guild and the thousands who plays on a PvP server to win. Everyone I fight on Tichondrius plays the same way. You fight to win, and in a virtual world there's nothing wrong with ensuring you win by keeping the enemy down."

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: Gurck
*yawn*, still defending griefing kid?

Read what I wrote in it's entirety this time.

"You also need to understand that "griefing" is part of the game. If you're in a contested zone, you kill someone and they pop up and attack you again, would you then allow them the time to regen their mana/health and attack you, yet again, or would you kill them a third time after they res, knowing they'll just attack anyway? Do you think it's wrong to attack someone while they're xping/fighting a mob? If you do, then it's a good thing you don't play on a PvP server, because you seem like you'd be just the type to whine about it. This is the way the game works; your comment was directed toward me, my guild and the thousands who plays on a PvP server to win. Everyone I fight on Tichondrius plays the same way. You fight to win, and in a virtual world there's nothing wrong with ensuring you win by keeping the enemy down."

I read what you wrote. The length griefers go to to rationalize acting like exceptionally stupid 12 year olds (as most are exactly that) is simply astonishing.

At any rate, I generally disagree with the mindset of not stooping down to a child's level, not playing their game, etc - I think being an ass is all most children understand, especially when they evidence this by being one. As such, I've gone this far with you in the hope that more could come of speaking your language than ignoring you. Unfortunately this hasn't come to pass, and perhaps I was wrong this time. As such, I'm done chatting with you, boy.

 

[Concillian]

Originally posted by: Gurck
*yawn*, still defending griefing kid?

Dude, you like PvE, he likes PvP. It's like you're arguing about why you like one kind of music and he likes another. There's no viable REASON you like the music you like, you just do.

If people like to greif and/or be griefed, there are generally places and/or games for them. If there are people who don't there are places and games for them. Capitalism works like that, when people have differing opinions about what they like, it brings about opportunities for new markets to satisfy both.

I this case he is on a PvP realm, where griefing is ENCOURAGED and REWARDED. He doesn't have to defend it. The game manufacturer does that for him. You are on a Normal realm, presumably, at least partly, because you do not like being griefed. Great! You both made the right decision based on your individual (differing) personalities.

 

[exilera]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: Gurck
*yawn*, still defending griefing kid?

Read what I wrote in it's entirety this time.

"You also need to understand that "griefing" is part of the game. If you're in a contested zone, you kill someone and they pop up and attack you again, would you then allow them the time to regen their mana/health and attack you, yet again, or would you kill them a third time after they res, knowing they'll just attack anyway? Do you think it's wrong to attack someone while they're xping/fighting a mob? If you do, then it's a good thing you don't play on a PvP server, because you seem like you'd be just the type to whine about it. This is the way the game works; your comment was directed toward me, my guild and the thousands who plays on a PvP server to win. Everyone I fight on Tichondrius plays the same way. You fight to win, and in a virtual world there's nothing wrong with ensuring you win by keeping the enemy down."

I read what you wrote. The length griefers go to to rationalize acting like exceptionally stupid 12 year olds (as most are exactly that) is simply astonishing.

The length morons like you go to spin your rediculous rationalizations is simply astonishing You have a lot of experience it seems, though. 10,000+ posts in a year is quite an accomplishment. Trolls everywhere must be jealous! I'm sure you haven't exhausted your repertoire of insults, though. I can't wait to hear the next one