West Virginia Bans Marriage for Children Age 15 or Younger March 2023

[Zorba]

He is basically saying his mother got pregnant at like 15, meaning someone was having sex with a 15 year old and he was totally ok with it. Republican family values.

Lot's of 15 year-olds have sex, especial 30-40 years ago.

 

[Zorba]

Be advised that 16 is considered "age of consent" for sex in MANY US states including Connecticut and Mass.... not exactly "southern" states.

Also be careful about taking history "out of context" .... when most folks were dead by 40 or so, 15 years old was early middle-age not "childhood".

I don't think there has ever been true in the history of civilizations that people who made it to 18 were likely to die by 40. Life expectancy numbers are massively influenced, to the point of being worthlessness, by childhood mortality.

Okay so that would make approx 25 "mid-life" meaning that 15 years old was still solidly into "adulthood" back then .... doesn't change my point one bit. (also you think the massive infant-mortality rate didn't motivate making more babies somewhat?)

Having said that I find it EXTREMELY creepy that anyone would even entertain the idea of lowering (or removing!) age-restrictions for marriage or "consent" in 2023. (so old white men can "marry" pre-teens)

Something else to remember, the age of sexual maturity in girls was much later pre-1920s. IIRC, the average age of menstruation was around 16, not the ~11 or 12 it is now in the US. Girls were not generally married off until 18+, these laws were probably mostly put in place so young girls that got pregnant could marry, religious cult leaders could marry kids, and for property rights stupidity.

 

[Greenman]

Seems like a lot of it has to do with outcome. I dated a seventeen year old when I was 23, she's 59 now and sitting next to me. At this point, I'm prepared to say it looks like it's going to work out.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Seems like a lot of it has to do with outcome. I dated a seventeen year old when I was 23, she's 59 now and sitting next to me. At this point, I'm prepared to say it looks like it's going to work out.

6 years at 17 and 6 years at 59 are two very, very different things. You do see there's a difference right?

 

[Captante]

Seems like a lot of it has to do with outcome. I dated a seventeen year old when I was 23, she's 59 now and sitting next to me. At this point, I'm prepared to say it looks like it's going to work out.

6 years age difference .... in many states that's potentially a "statutory rape" charge these days regardless but FIVE years will be considered "Just fine".

Anyone think that matters much by itself?

Not saying that I automatically approve or disapprove .... 17 years old is a lot different in terms of maturity then for example 13 is but ultimately it's about the individuals involved.

 

[MrSquished]

The real groomers. Always projection. Sickening.

 

[brycejones]

Seems like a lot of it has to do with outcome. I dated a seventeen year old when I was 23, she's 59 now and sitting next to me. At this point, I'm prepared to say it looks like it's going to work out.

For some reason I find it not shocking you had to hit up the high school to get laid as an adult.

 

[IronWing]

The real groomers. Always projection. Sickening.

I think I'm done with the word groomer. If it's rape, the perp is a rapist and aught to be called a rapist. If it's sexual assault short of rape, the perp is sex offender.

 

[Captante]

For some reason I find it not shocking you had to hit up the high school to get laid as an adult.

Married 30+ years but STILL no shortage of negative spin.

Truth is Mr & Mrs @Greenman did a lot better than I did and frankly a lot better than the VAST majority of married couples no matter what age they were when they met.

Results (not shockingly lol) DO matter. A lot.


I used to fall into the personal attack trap frequently myself.... it really takes away from any legit point you might try to make.

 

[MrSquished]

Married 30+ years but STILL no shortage of negative spin.

Truth is Mr & Mrs @Greenman did a lot better than I did and frankly a lot better than the VAST majority of married couples no matter what age they were when they met.

Results (not shockingly lol) DO matter. A lot.


I used to fall into the personal attack trap frequently myself.... it really takes away from any legit point you might try to make.

I mean 23 to 17 is not crazy I agree, but the fact that is his flippant response to these Republicans and their bill about underage girls getting married, now that is what is fucked up. The guy is straight up trash. He is where he belongs now.

 

[Captante]

I mean 23 to 17 is not crazy I agree, but the fact that is his flippant esponse to these Republicans and their bill, now that is what is fucked up. The guy is trash.

I'm completely with you right up to the personal dig .... hard to blame anyone around here with a contrary opinion to the "company-line" for getting defensive.

I suggest making a sincere effort to drop that from your repertoire.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Married 30+ years but STILL no shortage of negative spin.

Truth is Mr & Mrs @Greenman did a lot better than I did and frankly a lot better than the VAST majority of married couples no matter what age they were when they met.

Results (not shockingly lol) DO matter. A lot.


I used to fall into the personal attack trap frequently myself.... it really takes away from any legit point you might try to make.

while results do matter, our social/cultural norms and understand of human socialization ALSO matter. and in general, we recognize the maturity, life experiences, and goals of someone who's 23 are *probably* quite different than someone who's 17.

by contrast, at 65 and 59, you're both probably in similar life positions and have similar goals. is it impossible for 23 and 17 to work? no, obviously it's not. but there's such a large social, cultural, and development gap between those ages, that IMO i would not consider it a healthy norm at the societal level.

 

[brycejones]

Married 30+ years but STILL no shortage of negative spin.

Truth is Mr & Mrs @Greenman did a lot better than I did and frankly a lot better than the VAST majority of married couples no matter what age they were when they met.

Results (not shockingly lol) DO matter. A lot.


I used to fall into the personal attack trap frequently myself.... it really takes away from any legit point you might try to make.

23 and hitting up the high school is an issue for me. Also greenman is pretty trash so I really don’t give a shit.

 

[MrSquished]

I'm completely with you right up to the personal dig .... hard to blame anyone around here with a contrary opinion to the "company-line" for getting defensive.

I suggest making a sincere effort to drop that from your repertoire.

We've been talking to these people for years. They have either not evolved or barely. Blackangst is like the one exception. I don't know what forms you think mid-stage fascists come in, that turn into full blown fascists, but they walk and talk just like us, they have love lives and pets, and they raise kids, and they have jobs, and they do polite small talk with their neighbors. But just ask anybody in modern history who lived under authoritarian rules, it took a lot of those normal seeming people to go along with the insane policies of one political party to enable all the horribleness to happen. I think you should know about now what Greenman is.

Believe me I was naive until the last couple years of Obama's term. I was like we have turned a corner. Some people still suck but we can only progress from here. And then I realized how much Obama had triggered the right. And then TRUMP happened, and then I knew that I was so so naive and a lot of these people were never going to move society forward in a decent and good way. And then even more voted for Trump four years later. And then they got even worse after Biden won. I'm sorry, responding to a thread about child marriage with that comment is straight up trash. Add it to his list of countless responses of his.

You should know by now, if Greenman thought his vote would count in a swing state, and he could help keep a librul Democrat like that commie Biden out of office if he voted for Trump, he'd do it in a heartbeat. That's all I need to know about if this place goes to shit, people like him will be complicit. They are who they are.

 

[MrSquished]

I think I'm done with the word groomer. If it's rape, the perp is a rapist and aught to be called a rapist. If it's sexual assault short of rape, the perp is sex offender.

I think it's a perfect term for regressive hicks that think it's cool for girls to get married as children

 

[Captante]

Sorry but I will continue to cut "thinking" people that I don't agree with slack. (including Greenman.... but NOT Moonie he's too annoying/dumb.... and ALONE on my AT "ignore" list ROTFL.)

Scummy Russian schill's like BBS OTOH are completely beyond redemption.

 

[brycejones]

Sorry but I will continue to cut "thinking" people that I don't agree with slack. (including Greenman.... but NOT Moonie he's too annoying/dumb.... and ALONE on my AT "ignore" list ROTFL.)

Scummy Russian schill's like BBS OTOH are completely beyond redemption.

I don't judge you.

 

[Paratus]

6 years age difference .... in many states that's potentially a "statutory rape" charge these days regardless but FIVE years will be considered "Just fine".

Anyone think that matters much by itself?

Not saying that I automatically approve or disapprove .... 17 years old is a lot different in terms of maturity then for example 13 is but ultimately it's about the individuals involved.

It worked out in your case. However if you think I would be comfortable with a 23 year old dating my recently turned 18 year old daughter…..

 

[Captante]

It worked out in your GREENMAN's case. However if you think I would be comfortable with a 23 year old dating my recently turned 18 year old daughter…..

Ftfy.

*(also I have 2 relatively successfully grown daughters of my own... I credit my ex!)

 

[IronWing]

It worked out in your case. However if you think I would be comfortable with a 23 year old dating my recently turned 18 year old daughter…..

Ftfy.

*(also I have 2 relatively successfully grown daughters of my own... I credit my ex!)

Pics?

 

[Captante]

Pics?

I've actually posted softball team pics of my younger in the past in OT!

(she was her HS teams star pitcher)

 

[iRONic]

It worked out in your case. However if you think I would be comfortable with a 23 year old dating my recently turned 18 year old daughter…..

That's exactly where I come down on this!

 

[woolfe9998]

while results do matter, our social/cultural norms and understand of human socialization ALSO matter. and in general, we recognize the maturity, life experiences, and goals of someone who's 23 are *probably* quite different than someone who's 17.

by contrast, at 65 and 59, you're both probably in similar life positions and have similar goals. is it impossible for 23 and 17 to work? no, obviously it's not. but there's such a large social, cultural, and development gap between those ages, that IMO i would not consider it a healthy norm at the societal level.

That ought to be between the people involved, not between them and anyone with an opinion about it.

So long as it isn't breaking the law (16 is age of consent in most states), then it's not mine or your buiness.

 

[Zorba]

I mean 23 to 17 is not crazy I agree, but the fact that is his flippant response to these Republicans and their bill about underage girls getting married, now that is what is fucked up. The guy is straight up trash. He is where he belongs now.

17 is legal in 39 states.

All @Greenman said is that WV is now more restrictive than California, which is true:

Minimum age in 50 states:

• 6 states have no official minimum age, but still require either parental consent, court approval or both: California, Michigan, Mississippi, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Washington.
• 2 states have a minimum age of 15: Hawaii and Kansas.
• 26 states have a minimum age of 16.
• 9 states have a minimum age of 17.
• 7 states have a minimum age of 18, which is the same as their general age: Delaware, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Pennsylvania.

Marriage age in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

while results do matter, our social/cultural norms and understand of human socialization ALSO matter. and in general, we recognize the maturity, life experiences, and goals of someone who's 23 are *probably* quite different than someone who's 17.

by contrast, at 65 and 59, you're both probably in similar life positions and have similar goals. is it impossible for 23 and 17 to work? no, obviously it's not. but there's such a large social, cultural, and development gap between those ages, that IMO i would not consider it a healthy norm at the societal level.

This has a modern and college bound kid bias to it. In a world where the boy wasn't going to college and started his career right after high school and the girl was most likely to be a stay at home wife, I'm not sure the spread between a 23 and 17 year-old was all that great.

 

[MrSquished]

17 is legal in 39 states.

All @Greenman said is that WV is now more restrictive than California, which is true:

Marriage age in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I mean I don't care what state it's in it's just wrong. But here we have an example of a legislature shooting it down due to these weird reasons they give.

I was more responding to Green Man's comment about it really depends on the outcome. No I don't think it should depend on the outcome, It should just straight up not be allowed.

There are a lot of wrong things we can say well it didn't turn out so bad right? There are exceptions to every situation.