Anubis
No Lifer
it didnt have to be THAT difficult however it could have offered some sort of challenger
hell i would have beenhappy if they didnt totally kill the encounters
Gothik
Loatheb
Mex
Thaddius
4H
all had so much changed about them, they wernt even the same fights
Like the whopping two new raid bosses we got with Wrath at launch? Seriously, WoW is just a bank account for Blizz that they have their janitors design while training lately
Most of the reviews were written within a week of WoTLK coming out. This isn't a single player game with a coop mode, MMO expansions are played for years straight- they need to hold up. This is where Wrath jumps off a cliff compared to TBC or Vanilla WoW.
PVP? Crafting? Mini games that would be banned from freeware sites for being a waste of space? As a serious question, what end game element in Wrath do you think is really comparable to anything before it? To me all of it seems a staggering amount worse. As of right now I don't know anyone at all IRL who still plays- something I have never been able to say about WoW before. It isn't because they got bored or something else got their interest, most of them are bored stiff right now waiting for anything to come out, they all quit because Wrath sucks so badly.
Wrath sold 5.24Million copies. Vanilla WoW sold 11.84 and BC sold 6.42Million. Wrath was less successful then BC in every commercial way, although both were utterly dwarfed by Vanilla obviously. Blizzard has very clearly moved all of their top development teams to other projects, including their next MMO, WoW is for the no talent hacks to do just enough to keep the extremely die hard loyalists in the fold.
Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Like the whopping two new raid bosses we got with Wrath at launch? Seriously, WoW is just a bank account for Blizz that they have their janitors design while training lately
Most of the reviews were written within a week of WoTLK coming out. This isn't a single player game with a coop mode, MMO expansions are played for years straight- they need to hold up. This is where Wrath jumps off a cliff compared to TBC or Vanilla WoW.
PVP? Crafting? Mini games that would be banned from freeware sites for being a waste of space? As a serious question, what end game element in Wrath do you think is really comparable to anything before it? To me all of it seems a staggering amount worse. As of right now I don't know anyone at all IRL who still plays- something I have never been able to say about WoW before. It isn't because they got bored or something else got their interest, most of them are bored stiff right now waiting for anything to come out, they all quit because Wrath sucks so badly.
Wrath sold 5.24Million copies. Vanilla WoW sold 11.84 and BC sold 6.42Million. Wrath was less successful then BC in every commercial way, although both were utterly dwarfed by Vanilla obviously. Blizzard has very clearly moved all of their top development teams to other projects, including their next MMO, WoW is for the no talent hacks to do just enough to keep the extremely die hard loyalists in the fold.
If you hate WOW and WotLK so much, and if you are still subscribed to WOW, I must ask, why haven't you quit yet? Obviously you have a strong dislike for the game as it is and will continue to be developed. Less QQ, more Cancel Subscription.
If you have already quit and don't play WOW any more, why do you continue to post in WOW threads?
Obviously, Blizzard must be doing something right (instead of everything wrong like you and other hardcore raiders would claim), because their subscription numbers are still ridiculously high and there hasn't been a mass exodus from the game because "it is so terrible".
I had a blast with Vanilla WoW and TBC, Wrath is an abortion though.
I cancelled a little while ago.
Is this a general WoW thread? I must have something wrong with my computer, I thought it rather clearly asked what people's thoughts were on the announced expansion. I played from Vanilla to Tier8, I figured I had a right to offset some of Blizzard's apologist crew
12Million to 5Million, you are right, no huge exodus there
flexy
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This is true...but also a good thing. Sorry, i am a lock and getting certain arena gear is ALMOST impossible. Talk about OTHER facerolling classes where this might not be a problem...and talking about "world of melee craft" for casters have a fricking hard time in ARENA, especially 2v2.
I enjoy BGing but the rewards (wintergrasp...lol) have LONG become non interesting to me..it didnt take long to get all the gear i wanted...so now i am BGing just for "fun" knowing i can NEVER get good arena gear just with BGing alone.
Getting the *real* good arena gear through BGs is something good, imho...as long as its not another "just grind and get your gear sooner or later"-thing...but would really demand skills.
I think its ridiculous there are times where i BG with 75K honorcap...and cant get ANYTHING interesting for gear for the accumulated points.
Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
I had a blast with Vanilla WoW and TBC, Wrath is an abortion though.
I cancelled a little while ago.
Is this a general WoW thread? I must have something wrong with my computer, I thought it rather clearly asked what people's thoughts were on the announced expansion. I played from Vanilla to Tier8, I figured I had a right to offset some of Blizzard's apologist crew
12Million to 5Million, you are right, no huge exodus there
It's just curious that you continue to post in WOW threads when you so clearly dislike the game and the direction it is going in. I mean, when I quit for a couple of months, I rarely posted in WOW threads or even read WOW-related material because I had little interest in the game during that time, since I canceled my sub and moved on to other things.
You're claiming that WOW is down to 5 million subscribers now? Wow, I must have missed that announcement! Got a link to back up your claim? Because last I checked, they had topped 12 million subscribers, and my post clearly stated subscribers, not "number of expansion packs sold". I still read the game sites the past few months, and I never saw anything even hinting at a mass exodus of subscribers from the game or that Blizzard's bank account was hurting because of a catastrophic collapse of their cash cow. I would think WOW losing over half of its subscriber base would be a news-worthy item...
Methinks you're just bitter over the "casual" direction the game is going, and yearn for ye olde days of raiding 40+ hours a week. It is your opinion, and you are entitled to it, just don't make blanket statements of fact to the tune of "WotLK is terrible, WOW has failed because I personally don't like the direction of the game even though most of the players do".
Heh, a big part of the subscription drop in subscribers is because WoW is currently banned in China. Doubt if you looked at US/Euro etc there would be much of a drop at all.
This thread is about what people think of the new expansion, I stated my view and was of course jumped by the rabid Blizzard apologists.
That took like two seconds. WoW subscriptions down- 17.8Million results.
I'll try and keep that in mind next time- reality is not important when it comes to WoW, just your ability to bury your head in the sand and jump to conclusions
Mini games are now a core element of raiding. If they were good mini games, this would only be a travesty, but they are flat out terrible. Phase 3 of Malygos which was the pinnacle of raid content when Wrath launched gets all of its challenge through a terrible camera system. Nothing else is even slightly difficult about the fight. Ulduar opening boss, again, a piss poor mini game with lousy controls being the prime challenge this time. Overcome the terribad controls, everything else is cake. Argent Failiseum(to quote Anubis)- another set of mini games this time revolving around jousting. In the WoW universe there are tanks, while I can admire the Pols bravery in WW2 them charging the Panzers with cavalry didn't make much sense. This isn't just about direction, this is about flat out terribad gameplay. You learn all the ins and outs of a character through thousands of hours to have it all thrown out for a mini game that would be laughed out of a Mario Party try out round.
You want to play mini games, try Pogo- or better yet, Mario Party. WoW is a bait and switch at this point.
Anyway, the amout of subscriptions for WoW at this point is down 7 million versus their claimed high, that is the reality of the current situation.
Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
This thread is about what people think of the new expansion, I stated my view and was of course jumped by the rabid Blizzard apologists.
That took like two seconds. WoW subscriptions down- 17.8Million results.
I'll try and keep that in mind next time- reality is not important when it comes to WoW, just your ability to bury your head in the sand and jump to conclusions
Some of us can't search for WOW related stuff where we are currently.
How many of those subscribers lost were from China? Like Glayde said, what is the US/Euro subscriber amount? You know, the ones that actually pay something to play the game instead of a penny?
Again, still curious, you claim that "rabid Blizzard apologists" jumped you, but they play the game and enjoy the game, yet you're the one who clearly hates the game and doesn't play any more, yet you take the time to rabidly deride the game. One would think that you would state your dislike for the game and the direction it's going and move on to more important matters.
You probably really want to play WOW, but it would be "insulting to your intelligence" to "play the casual noobfest" that is WOW. It's the "cool thing at school" for "hardcore vanilla raiders" to bash the "casual noobness" of WOW.
WOW is overall much better now than it was back during vanilla. It is not perfect, but it has improved significantly. And the gaming community largely agrees. If you want to raid like its a second job, Everquest and FFXI are still available.
did you actually read that article?
WoW's subscribers are down due to issues with China, having nothing to do with the actual game itself. people aren't getting up and leaving en mass (aka: an exodus), WoW's China servers are offline due to licensing issues which, iirc, relate back to getting WotLK approved by the Chinese censors.
just for clarification, you've never actually experienced any of this, right? I'll agree with you on P3 Malygos (and Oculus in general, I hate both of them... also, Malygos wasn't the pinnacle of WotLK-release raiding... that would have been hard-mode Sartherion), but vehicles (your "mini-games") make up an incredibly small part of overall raiding. one fight in Ulduar that's generally regarded as a fun encounter and half of a fight in 5-man coliseum (and nowhere in 10/25-man coll)
You edited while I was posting.
I agree. The mini-games are awful. I don't even really bother with the Argent Tournament because Jousting is ridiculously terrible. I avoid the Oculus for the same reason. But, they are just one aspect of the game. I have plenty of fun with the game, and I avoid the annoying aspects that I don't enjoy. There is so much to do in the game that you can't just focus on one aspect that you don't like.
There is more to the game than "teh purpelz!"
You even bolded subscriber in your post, that number currently is 5 million. Blizz is the one that has been claiming 12million. That is a drop of 7 million. By Blizzards numbers, 5.5Million users were in China paying pennies to play as you put it, that still leaves a 1.5Million gap to explain.
This thread was asking what people thought about how the new expansion looked. I did not see only unabashed Blizzard apologists welcome to the WoW love in. You know what, people ask all the time what people think of a new game or new expansion and I respond all the time, just most games don't have their own apologist crew like Blizzard. Seriously, I hope they pay you guys well.
Yes, I did miss that WOW's numbers dropped dramatically because of the ban in China. I admit as much, but you are using this as an example of how WOW is collapsing before our very eyes, when those 7 million or so who "quit" were forced to and actually weren't paying much (if anything) of a subscription fee. You just want to take any little bit of negative news and twist it to show that you are right and WOW is horrible and people are fleeing in droves.
Like loki said previously, it's not really possible to have a reasonable discussion with you about WOW. You automatically label us as Blizzard shills on the take. I give up...you go on raging against Blizzard and WOW! Stick it to the man and enlighten the uneducated masses of people who play and enjoy WOW to the "truth"!
:roll:
By Blizzard's numbers they had 5.5Million players in China. They are at 5Million subs. They were at 12Million subs. Where are the other 1.5Million subs? That is more people lost then any other MMO outside of Aion currently has world wide based on the last numbers I saw- and that is if we ignore China. Losing 1.5Million subs by most accounts would be considered a mass exodus.
Haven't done the Argent raids, done the rest. The first fight in Ulduar is terrible, flat out horrible. The controls are the only thing that offer a hint of a challenge. Get those down and it's face roll.
Really? What attunement did you do for Sarth? I must have gotten a different version of Wrath then you did, because I could zone in to Sarth the minute I hit 80, could easily pug him with a group of people wearing all blues too. Was 3DS more difficult then Maly, yes. That doesn't place it at the pinnacle of WoW raiding. Maly dropped all 226 gear, what did 3DS drop?
So 1.5Million people is not considered en mass? What does it take for you to think of it that way?
Haven't done the Argent raids, done the rest. The first fight in Ulduar is terrible, flat out horrible. The controls are the only thing that offer a hint of a challenge. Get those down and it's face roll.
Really? What attunement did you do for Sarth? I must have gotten a different version of Wrath then you did, because I could zone in to Sarth the minute I hit 80, could easily pug him with a group of people wearing all blues too. Was 3DS more difficult then Maly, yes. That doesn't place it at the pinnacle of WoW raiding. Maly dropped all 226 gear, what did 3DS drop?
So 1.5Million people is not considered en mass? What does it take for you to think of it that way?
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Factual links for your information about the exodus, or shut the fuck up.
As for attunements, etc: You're expecting something that is not part of a continually successful MMO. Almost every MMO in existence gets more and more casual over time. I played EQ for a LONG time, and that game got very, very casual, which is completely fine. You're nothing but an elitist douche. You just want the content to be so hard that only your guild is able to kill it. What? You need niche conquests in a game because your real life is so empty?
As for attunements, etc: You're expecting something that is not part of a continually successful MMO. Almost every MMO in existence gets more and more casual over time. I played EQ for a LONG time, and that game got very, very casual, which is completely fine. You're nothing but an elitist douche. You just want the content to be so hard that only your guild is able to kill it. What? You need niche conquests in a game because your real life is so empty?
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