Were Conservatives played for fools?

Sonikku

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Trump is seemingly going back on just about every promise he made. Chief among them, after assuring the electorate that he will rock the establishment in Washington it now looks like, if his appointments are any indication, that he is going to be an even bigger proponent of the monied establishment than Hillary would have been.

Were Conservatives suckered?
 
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Do you mean the promises he actually made, such as his contract with America, or the huge list of "promises" that the media and Democrats are trying to ascribe to him?
 

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Trump is seemingly going back on just about every promise he made. Chief among them, after assuring the electorate that he will rock the establishment in Washington it now looks like, if his appointments are any indication, that he is going to be an even bigger proponent of the monied establishment than Hillary would have been.

Were Conservatives suckered?

I don't think it's so much "suckered" as a matter of selective hearing and wishful thinking.

Trump didn't really do much to hide his true self: a habitual liar and opportunist that makes Clinton seem like a straight shooter, a business tycoon only interested in whatever gives him money and power, and the classic "not my fault" type who scapegoats entire segments of the population instead of accepting the complex reality.

The problem is, many voters didn't want see him that way. They confused brash lying for "tells it like it is" (hint: angry and crude is not the same as truthful); they convinced themselves that a billionaire was a rebel outsider simply because he didn't need as much campaign fundraising; and of course, some of them let him prey on their fears of brown people.

Some of it would've been hard to escape, though. There's a partly irrational hatred of Clinton that played a part, but it's also evident that a lot of Republican supporters vote along party lines even when large chunks of their party are raising alarm bells. It's amusing to see Christian groups rally behind a man who cheated on two wives, has a history of sexual harassment and regularly insults anyone who disagrees with him.

Oh, and imported: Trump explicitly, repeatedly vowed legal action against Clinton if he won, and he's backtracking. He broke a promise. Cowards pretend he didn't make the promise; brave people accept that he did and deal with the ramifications, wherever they sit on the political spectrum.
 

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Trump is seemingly going back on just about every promise he made. Chief among them, after assuring the electorate that he will rock the establishment in Washington it now looks like, if his appointments are any indication, that he is going to be an even bigger proponent of the monied establishment than Hillary would have been.

Were Conservatives suckered?

Everyone on the left and the right always gets suckered during elections, unless they are truly paying attention.

The left has been suckered into thinking Trump is a Nazi / Far right demagogue. The reason DNC pushes this narrative is that he is grabbing a big part of their voter base. He is going to keep on co-opting their base too, and I think he will be snagging an ever increasing part of their African-American and Latino base.

Doesn't fit your narrative? Perhaps you haven't been paying attention.

Reality is that he is an old-school liberal. I knew this already, as did many who voted for him.

See post here :
https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-results-thread.2491368/page-59#post-38567322

If there was real discourse, people might know this, which I place here as a future reminder when it becomes obvious.

Donald Trump is not a conservative, he is left of Dems on more topics than he is to the right of them. He will co-opt parts of the Dem platform and the GOP platform. He is an anti-globalist "America First" liberal.
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DJT just rick-rolled the GOP, the DNC, MSM, every "Bernie-bot", liberal SJW, and David Duke lover in the whole fucking country.
 

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Trump is seemingly going back on just about every promise he made. Chief among them, after assuring the electorate that he will rock the establishment in Washington it now looks like, if his appointments are any indication, that he is going to be an even bigger proponent of the monied establishment than Hillary would have been.

Were Conservatives suckered?

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woolfe9998

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Trump is seemingly going back on just about every promise he made. Chief among them, after assuring the electorate that he will rock the establishment in Washington it now looks like, if his appointments are any indication, that he is going to be an even bigger proponent of the monied establishment than Hillary would have been.

Were Conservatives suckered?

Does a bear crap in the woods? Trump is not ideologically conservative and never was. The only promises he will keep will be those that benefit wealthy people, like a top bracket tax cut. Other promises will be abandoned or grossly watered down.
 
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Some of it would've been hard to escape, though. There's a partly irrational hatred of Clinton that played a part, but it's also evident that a lot of Republican supporters vote along party lines even when large chunks of their party are raising alarm bells. It's amusing to see Christian groups rally behind a man who cheated on two wives, has a history of sexual harassment and regularly insults anyone who disagrees with him.

Clinton played a HUGE part. She was clearly a far better choice than Trump but she was also a truly awful candidate. I didn't think I understood the true horror of a Trump presidency until just recently. They really seem intent on destroying our economic system and now they have the tools to accomplish their goal.

Obama is 1,000X better than Clinton who is 100X better than Trump. It is a crime against America that we couldn't have another four years of Obama.
 

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Donald Trump is not a conservative, he is left of Dems on more topics than he is to the right of them. He will co-opt parts of the Dem platform and the GOP platform. He is an anti-globalist "America First" liberal.
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DJT just rick-rolled the GOP, the DNC, MSM, every "Bernie-bot", liberal SJW, and David Duke lover in the whole fucking country.

Are we there yet? I had a bad dose of this dream but what I'm seeing so far is a nightmare. Maybe we got rick-rolled because we're not as smart as we think.
 

Jhhnn

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Instead how about i post links to his contract and we can start from there?
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-...roundbreaking-contract-for-the-american-vote1

btw 1 promise ascribed to trump by the Washinton Post

"3. "If I become president, we're all going to be saying 'Merry Christmas' again.""

seriously

This is an official communique from the Hair Furor-

http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501451368/here-is-what-donald-trump-wants-to-do-in-his-first-100-days

Deal with it.
 
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Jhhnn

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Does a bear crap in the woods? Trump is not ideologically conservative and never was. The only promises he will keep will be those that benefit wealthy people, like a top bracket tax cut. Other promises will be abandoned or grossly watered down.

So, he's conservative where it really counts, obviously. The rest is merely illusion.
 
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Are you saying that isn't a direct quote from him?
I'm saying that for Trump supporters we don't identify that as a campaign promise. The fact that utterances such as that are trying to be used by leftists and the corporate media against President-elect Trump just makes it even more entertaining to us.
 

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Were Conservatives played for fools?

Simple answer; of course.

Longer answer; yes they will be fooled and in fact have implicitly already been fooled. We'll have 4 yrs (best case) of anti-conservative positions Trump will take that conservatives will slowly swallow that Dems have proposed or run on for yrs/decades. Which shows you how fractured and broken Republican voter base now is than conservatives ever realized, but also shows how progressive their base now is. In the last 18 months, who would have guessed that a giant share of the Republican base would support policies that favor raising the minimum wage even in deep red states, are anti-trade (or trade suspect), pro-infrastructure, for keeping fundamental entitlements (no cuts to Medicare, SS) and are at best mum/neutral on social issues like gay marriage and abortion? Some of that many of us guessed, but the about-face on minimum wage, trade and infrastructure is just, well, sad and funny at the same time.
 
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Does the one where the Washington Post said ""3. "If I become president, we're all going to be saying 'Merry Christmas' again."" count, or do you really want more?

Bah,https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-76-of-donald-trumps-many-campaign-promises/

I'm saying that for Trump supporters we don't identify that as a campaign promise. The fact that utterances such as that are trying to be used by leftists and the corporate media against President-elect Trump just makes it even more entertaining to us.

I don't think you interpret English sentences the way most educated people do, FYI.
 
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
I got about this far and had to take a break from laughing too hard
Fully repeals Obamacare

HOLY SHIT.... this one.... this utter bullshit..
  1. Clean up Corruption in Washington Act. Enacts new ethics reforms to Drain the Swamp and reduce the corrupting influence of special interests on our politics.
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shady28

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Are we there yet? I had a bad dose of this dream but what I'm seeing so far is a nightmare. Maybe we got rick-rolled because we're not as smart as we think.

First, you have to forget everything said during the primaries and the election.

Then, look at what the candidate has done and said before running.

This whole thread is hypocritical.

All of the quotes below are attributed to Barack Obama. Several of these Obama could have done with the wave of a pen. Others he had opportunity with a Dem controlled congress.

I don't see too many people here whining about Obama's broken campaign promises.


“We will close the detention camp in Guantanamo Bay, the location of so many of the worst constitutional abuses in recent years.”

“Allow Americans to buy their medicines from other developed countries if the drugs are safe and prices are lower outside the U.S.”

“We will revisit the Patriot Act and overturn unconstitutional executive decisions issued during the past eight years.”

“Will eliminate all income taxation of seniors making less than $50,000 per year. This will eliminate taxes for 7 million seniors — saving them an average of $1,400 a year– and will also mean that 27 million seniors will not need to file an income tax return at all.”

“[T]oday I’m pledging to cut the deficit we inherited in half by the end of my first term in office. This will not be easy. It will require us to make difficult decisions and face challenges we’ve long neglected. But I refuse to leave our children with a debt that they cannot repay – and that means taking responsibility right now, in this administration, for getting our spending under control.”

“We reject the use of national security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime.”

“For people with insurance, the only impact of the health-care law is that their insurance is stronger, better, and more secure than it was before. Full stop. That’s it. They don’t have to worry about anything else.”​
 

ivwshane

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I wasn't aware of him pandering to conservatives in the first place and I don't know why he would pander to them since they make up such a small slice of the electorate.
 
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I don't think you interpret English sentences the way most educated people do, FYI.
Yes, because we all know that according to the Washington Post "we're all going to be saying Merry Christmas again" is a carved in stone campaign promise by Donald Trump