Went to Church for the First Time in a Long Time

[disappoint]

There is nothing in my religion that puts someone to death.

Oh? What religion would that be so that we may verify the veracity of your claim?

 

[Malak]

Are you of a faith that follows the bible? Because if so, I'd argue there are things in your religion that would have someone put to death.

There are a lot of terrible things in the Bible, doesn't make it part of my religion. I am not a Jew circa 1000bc.

 

[alkemyst]

Oh? What religion would that be so that we may verify the veracity of your claim?

What main religions in your mind have current laws that dictate death?

 

[TheSlamma]

Sounds to me like the youth of today are getting smarter.

Well let's not go directly to that, I'm gonna lean more towards they would be bored there and would rather be on their devices or playing video games.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I recently (this year) started going to a Congregational Church. I have a Catholic background, the people who go are truly mixed. What I like about it is the sermon from the Pastor is usually better and easier to relate to current events, however this has more to do with the Pastor. It's also a much more tolerant environment and the charity work is much more local.

 

[SlowSpyder]

There is a difference between the old and new testaments.

I'm well aware of that. Saying old testament rules no longer apply is a matter of opinion at best. Jesus himself says he is not there to abolish the law. Do the 10 commandments still matter, or can those be thrown out? Jesus used the old testament in his teachings at times.

So you blame God for man's failings?

No, not at all. I believe we, humans, invented god. We are our own enemy and ultimately responsible for the good and bad we do. But when good people believe a higher power tells them to do something that most of us would otherwise consider evil, that person might have seen it as evil as well had they not felt divinely inspired or feel they are instructed by god to carry out such tasks.

 

[disappoint]

What main religions in your mind have current laws that dictate death?

It's not about current laws. They read textbooks written thousands of years ago and take them at their word, often to ridiculous conclusions. That alone should put their sanity into question.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

I'm well aware of that. Saying old testament rules no longer apply is a matter of opinion at best. Jesus himself says he is not there to abolish the law. Do the 10 commandments still matter, or can those be thrown out? Jesus used the old testament in his teachings at times.



No, not at all. I believe we, humans, invented god. We are our own enemy and ultimately responsible for the good and bad we do. But when good people believe a higher power tells them to do something that most of us would otherwise consider evil, that person might have seen it as evil as well had they not felt divinely inspired or feel they are instructed by god to carry out such tasks.

You're saying people of bad intent delude themselves that what they're doing is God's will and they wouldn't delude themselves some other way if they didn't have the excuse of God? Somebody's deluded alright.

 

[ThinClient]

Main reason for going is because our kids (now 5 and 2) had never set foot in a church, and we both feel that it is important for them to have some religious foundation and a belief in something bigger than humanity.

Childhood indoctrination is horrific. They're too young to even comprehend this. When they're old enough, they can make their minds up on their own.

Don't take your kids to church in an attempt to brainwash them into believing something just because you want them to believe it.

 

[QueBert]

That's why I laugh at the wannabelievers, because you can pick out any verse from the big book of fairy tales to support what you want it to say and simultaneously ignore the 99% that is evil, violent or just plain inconvenient. Like attending services on holy days. That rule comes from your religion, not from me. Despite that little plum you plucked out of the bible to excuse your wanting to sleep in rather than getting up early to go to church, the majority of Christian sects require attending real services with real priests. Four drunks who call themselves Christians gathering together to watch football on Sunday most definitely does not count as attending mass and if you don't go to a real service with a real priest you're committing a mortal sin which will condemn you to hell if you die in that state. I most definitely understand things like this, I was raised a catholic and learned all about how much god hates his people. And please try to get this right, I don't believe that religious people know next to nothing, I believe that they know absolutely nothing. And your ignorance on the importance of attending REAL services to keep your soul out of hell proves it.




Because god created you in his own image and you're still a giant piece of shit that will be consigned to eternal torment unless you kiss his ass every Sunday. I'm not judging anyone, I'm merely repeating the message that Christianity teaches. Try to get that through your head, your supposedly infallible cosmic muffin created you to be just like him and yet he did such a crappy job that you're garbage. I'm not making that up, that's really one of the central tenets of Christianity. If you don't like it take it up with the invisible man in the sky, not me.

You're a buttfuck, I've read the Bible from cover to cover multiple times. I read pieces of it daily, I have an app on both of my cell phones that gives me a daily verse to read. Thanks for making me laugh, I can't be too concerned that a person such as yourself believes you're intellectually superior to us religious folk. Now while I would love to stay and argue with you, I think I'll go do some reading, unlike you some of us don't know everything.

 

[SlowSpyder]

You're saying people of bad intent delude themselves that what they're doing is God's will and they wouldn't delude themselves some other way if they didn't have the excuse of God? Somebody's deluded alright.

No, I said GOOD people can do bad things when divinely inspired, when their religious text calls for it and they feel god is on their side. I remember hearing something once that I completely agree with. It goes something like, without religion you'll have good people doing good things and bad people doing bad things. But with religion, you'll have good people doing bad things as well, and bad people still doing bad things.

Many otherwise decent people probably have no problem hating gays. I wonder how long slavery lingered in this country because many believed it was their right given to them by god. Do you believe many thousands would have suffered and died during the crusades if there was no reason for the divinely inspired fighters to capture the holy land? Do you think condoms or AIDS is worse? I know the pope's answer.

 

[ThinClient]

You're a buttfuck, I've read the Bible from cover to cover multiple times. I read pieces of it daily, I have an app on both of my cell phones that gives me a daily verse to read. Thanks for making me laugh, I can't be too concerned that a person such as yourself believes you're intellectually superior to us religious folk. Now while I would love to stay and argue with you, I think I'll go do some reading, unlike you some of us don't know everything.

Yeah yeah, go read your religiotard comic book.

 

[Malak]

Jesus himself says he is not there to abolish the law.

There's more to that verse, maybe you should read it again.

 

[SlowSpyder]

You're a buttfuck, I've read the Bible from cover to cover multiple times. I read pieces of it daily, I have an app on both of my cell phones that gives me a daily verse to read. Thanks for making me laugh, I can't be too concerned that a person such as yourself believes you're intellectually superior to us religious folk. Now while I would love to stay and argue with you, I think I'll go do some reading, unlike you some of us don't know everything.

You are obviously well versed in the bible and living by jesus' example and word. :thumbsup:

 

[TheSlamma]

Now it's gettin good

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

No, I said GOOD people can do bad things when divinely inspired, when their religious text calls for it and they feel god is on their side. I remember hearing something once that I completely agree with. It goes something like, without religion you'll have good people doing good things and bad people doing bad things. But with religion, you'll have good people doing bad things as well, and bad people still doing bad things.

Many otherwise decent people probably have no problem hating gays. I wonder how long slavery lingered in this country because many believed it was their right given to them by god. Do you believe many thousands would have suffered and died during the crusades if there was no reason for the divinely inspired fighters to capture the holy land? Do you think condoms or AIDS is worse? I know the pope's answer.

People willing to blindly follow any philosophy are capable of doing bad things. Personally, I think people who blindly accept corporate policies have killed more people than aids and crusades combined. You are still deluded if you think the powers that be and were wouldn't have found another "crusade" to serve themselves.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Yeah yeah, go read your religiotard comic book.

Is Stan Lee the Pope?

 

[stormkroe]

I'm well aware of that. Saying old testament rules no longer apply is a matter of opinion at best. Jesus himself says he is not there to abolish the law. Do the 10 commandments still matter, or can those be thrown out? Jesus used the old testament in his teachings at times.

If you're speaking of the book titled 'The Holy Bible', then, no, the application of 'old testament rules applying' are in no way opinion. While anyone can argue whether a particular part of the Bible is fact or not, you can't argue that it says Captain Picard is better than Captain Kirk, for instance. For the record I would agree with it if that were in there.
The law only has the power to condemn (gal 3:11-12). While it's true that no part of the law has passed away (matt 5:18), our requirement to satisfy it has been met completely in the person if Jesus. This is why He says it's been fulfilled in Him.
Also, I'd take what Alky said one step further and say that it's not so much the difference between old and new testaments, but rather old and new covenants.
So no, it's not opinion whether the old testament rules still apply, of course they do. In the new covenant, however, they have been satisfied through Christ for those who choose to accept it.

* just pointing out what it factually says, not that what it says is fact

 

[stormkroe]

Many otherwise decent people probably have no problem hating gays. I wonder how long slavery lingered in this country because many believed it was their right given to them by god. Do you believe many thousands would have suffered and died during the crusades if there was no reason for the divinely inspired fighters to capture the holy land? Do you think condoms or AIDS is worse? I know the pope's answer.

All those things are NOT Christianity but rather people using it to justify their deeds. Do you think people wouldn't find another reason to do what they want if it didn't exist?

Also, it looks like much of your problem is with catholocism, and their sensationalist/pope-worshipping extra-biblical ideologies. Congratulations, you possess the seeds of protestantism.

 

[Markbnj]

Well let's not go directly to that, I'm gonna lean more towards they would be bored there and would rather be on their devices or playing video games.

And their parents no longer make them go, because they are jaded boomers like me who no longer go themselves.

 

[SlowSpyder]

There's more to that verse, maybe you should read it again.

Right, the translation is I did not come to abolish the law, but fulfill them. The book of matthew is accepted to have been written in Greek. The word for fulfill in Greek is 'Pleroo'.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/pleroo.html

Look at that definition and remember that jesus points out in the same verse that he's not there to abolish the law. Jesus used the old testament and 10 commandments in some of his teachings. Here is a (partial?) list of times jesus teaches themes from the old testament:

http://www.redletterchristians.org/when-jesus-quoted-the-ot-and-why-it-matters/

 

[OverVolt]

It's just like advertising. Advertisers love to go after kids and manipulate them. Get them in the habit of wanting to keep buying things early on, and see if you can get them to be well-behaved consumers later on. They did it such to the point that regulations were implemented to try to keep advertisers from going too far. (Transformers or My Little Pony or Power Rangers - TV shows that are basically half-hour advertisements for toys. Then Transformers evolved into feature-length advertisements directed at adults. Yes, Bumblebee was a Chevy. They paid plenty to get that top-notch product placement spot.)

Here you have churches trying to adapt to remain marketable to a changing demographic. They've got flexible hours now, modernized music, and more "engaging" ways of delivering the message.

.............


In any case, that'd be my thing: Wait until they're in their 20s or something, then try the religion thing. Let rational thought come into play. Intentionally trying to work religion in while they're kids, specifically because it's easier to get it to "stick".......the nicest way I can put it is that that doesn't seem to be very ethical.

Wat. So endless coca cola ads on sesame street or something and getting diabeetus is ethical but trying to instill the virtue of hard work that will serve them well their whole lives is unethical.

 

[OVerLoRDI]

It really depends on the church. The church my wife and I go to is very mixed. Good mix of all races and ages groups. We even have some "praise jesus! Mmmmmhhhhhmmmm" black ladies.

 

[alkemyst]

It's not about current laws. They read textbooks written thousands of years ago and take them at their word, often to ridiculous conclusions. That alone should put their sanity into question.

I think you and SlowSpyder think you understand things you do not.

I would suggest you both take a non-secular course in these books you try to speak as authorities on.

 

[Jeff7]

Wat. So endless coca cola ads on sesame street or something and getting diabeetus is ethical but trying to instill the virtue of hard work that will serve them well their whole lives is unethical.

Religions are conglomerations of beliefs, mostly ancient ones, which have as many continuity errors and inconsistencies as anything written by George Lucas. They certainly do not represent the exclusive path to giving someone a sense of ethics or the ability to be productive in society.


Re: my alleged support of advertising: I think youmissed numerous things in what I wrote.