Well, well, well. Look at what we have here.

[Aimster]

why the hell are you all rambling on without posting a single fact?

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50
Narmer, where is your thread showing your outrage when Palestinians do this?

I don't give a damn who does what. I just feel that people shouldn't attempt to hold the moral high ground when they're as savage as their enemy. If we can agree on that, then these soldiers and the Palestinian (freedom) fighters should be allowed to butcher each other, and worse. Otherwise, if the Israelis claim to follow certain guidelines and don't "lower" themselves to the level of their enemies, they should be held accountable when sh!t like this happens, although I doubt that will happen because they too are fighting a "global war on terror", so such bending and utter disregards for their own rules are thrown to the winds.

you will never be able to convince anyone with half a braincell that the Israelis are anywhere near as brutal and inhumane as their terrorist opponents.

Equating the two forces, in terms of their willingness to kill innocents, would be totally and completely ridiculous.

I don't need to convince people like you, those with a fully functioning brain is good enough. Thankfully, there are more of them and that is why Israel, along with Iran and AMerica, are the least popular nations on earth.

:roll:

Well, here you are. I answered your question and you give no response, only to reply to my post with an emoticon?

EDIT: Yes I live in this country, because it's my country and I still believed in its principals, even though they've been trampled on by your overlords who is supported by weak-minded individuals who are too afraid to think for themselves.

Lol, and who are my "overlords"? Since you continually show such a disdain for this country, why don't you move to Iran, or whatever country it is that you think is so great. I'm not being a smartass either, I'm genuinely curious.

You are the one that shows disdain for this country by not questioning your leaders. Instead, you follow them blindly from one failure to another. It is you who would be more comfortable in Iran or North Korea.

That doesn't even make any sense.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50
Narmer, where is your thread showing your outrage when Palestinians do this?

I don't give a damn who does what. I just feel that people shouldn't attempt to hold the moral high ground when they're as savage as their enemy. If we can agree on that, then these soldiers and the Palestinian (freedom) fighters should be allowed to butcher each other, and worse. Otherwise, if the Israelis claim to follow certain guidelines and don't "lower" themselves to the level of their enemies, they should be held accountable when sh!t like this happens, although I doubt that will happen because they too are fighting a "global war on terror", so such bending and utter disregards for their own rules are thrown to the winds.

you will never be able to convince anyone with half a braincell that the Israelis are anywhere near as brutal and inhumane as their terrorist opponents.

Equating the two forces, in terms of their willingness to kill innocents, would be totally and completely ridiculous.

I don't need to convince people like you, those with a fully functioning brain is good enough. Thankfully, there are more of them and that is why Israel, along with Iran and AMerica, are the least popular nations on earth.

:roll:

Well, here you are. I answered your question and you give no response, only to reply to my post with an emoticon?

You don't see any difference between the Israelis defending themselves and terrorists targeting innocent civilians, you don't deserve a response.

Tell me, what is a terrorist? Is he/she some evil incarnate that is the spawn of satan? Who is defending themselves here? The fighters on the Israeli side or the fighters on the Palestinian side? And, finally, WTF are you to judge them?

Yea, who am I to judge people that blow themselves up with no regard to innocent women and children....I think its odd that you seem more upset with me judging these disgusting pieces of filth than you are with the act of intentionally targeting women and children.

You need to stop judging the acts in and of themselves and start judging them relative to the other side. If you feel it's "humane to kill hundreds from an F-15 15K feet in the air than sacrificing yourself up close and personal, then you, IMHO, are a coward. It takes guts and true sacrifice if you want to die for a cause than doing something for a paycheck.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50
Narmer, where is your thread showing your outrage when Palestinians do this?

I don't give a damn who does what. I just feel that people shouldn't attempt to hold the moral high ground when they're as savage as their enemy. If we can agree on that, then these soldiers and the Palestinian (freedom) fighters should be allowed to butcher each other, and worse. Otherwise, if the Israelis claim to follow certain guidelines and don't "lower" themselves to the level of their enemies, they should be held accountable when sh!t like this happens, although I doubt that will happen because they too are fighting a "global war on terror", so such bending and utter disregards for their own rules are thrown to the winds.

you will never be able to convince anyone with half a braincell that the Israelis are anywhere near as brutal and inhumane as their terrorist opponents.

Equating the two forces, in terms of their willingness to kill innocents, would be totally and completely ridiculous.

I don't need to convince people like you, those with a fully functioning brain is good enough. Thankfully, there are more of them and that is why Israel, along with Iran and AMerica, are the least popular nations on earth.

:roll:

Well, here you are. I answered your question and you give no response, only to reply to my post with an emoticon?

EDIT: Yes I live in this country, because it's my country and I still believed in its principals, even though they've been trampled on by your overlords who is supported by weak-minded individuals who are too afraid to think for themselves.

Lol, and who are my "overlords"? Since you continually show such a disdain for this country, why don't you move to Iran, or whatever country it is that you think is so great. I'm not being a smartass either, I'm genuinely curious.

You are the one that shows disdain for this country by not questioning your leaders. Instead, you follow them blindly from one failure to another. It is you who would be more comfortable in Iran or North Korea.

That doesn't even make any sense.

Of course you don't understand it, because your mind is weak. You need to question your leaders. Ask tough questions. Otherwise, you're part of the problem.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50
Narmer, where is your thread showing your outrage when Palestinians do this?

I don't give a damn who does what. I just feel that people shouldn't attempt to hold the moral high ground when they're as savage as their enemy. If we can agree on that, then these soldiers and the Palestinian (freedom) fighters should be allowed to butcher each other, and worse. Otherwise, if the Israelis claim to follow certain guidelines and don't "lower" themselves to the level of their enemies, they should be held accountable when sh!t like this happens, although I doubt that will happen because they too are fighting a "global war on terror", so such bending and utter disregards for their own rules are thrown to the winds.

you will never be able to convince anyone with half a braincell that the Israelis are anywhere near as brutal and inhumane as their terrorist opponents.

Equating the two forces, in terms of their willingness to kill innocents, would be totally and completely ridiculous.

I don't need to convince people like you, those with a fully functioning brain is good enough. Thankfully, there are more of them and that is why Israel, along with Iran and AMerica, are the least popular nations on earth.

:roll:

Well, here you are. I answered your question and you give no response, only to reply to my post with an emoticon?

You don't see any difference between the Israelis defending themselves and terrorists targeting innocent civilians, you don't deserve a response.

Tell me, what is a terrorist? Is he/she some evil incarnate that is the spawn of satan? Who is defending themselves here? The fighters on the Israeli side or the fighters on the Palestinian side? And, finally, WTF are you to judge them?

Yea, who am I to judge people that blow themselves up with no regard to innocent women and children....I think its odd that you seem more upset with me judging these disgusting pieces of filth than you are with the act of intentionally targeting women and children.

You need to stop judging the acts in and of themselves and start judging them relative to the other side. If you feel it's "humane to kill hundreds from an F-15 15K feet in the air than sacrificing yourself up close and personal, then you, IMHO, are a coward. It takes guts and true sacrifice you want to die for a cause than doing something for a paycheck.

Do these F-15s target innocent civilians?

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50
Narmer, where is your thread showing your outrage when Palestinians do this?

I don't give a damn who does what. I just feel that people shouldn't attempt to hold the moral high ground when they're as savage as their enemy. If we can agree on that, then these soldiers and the Palestinian (freedom) fighters should be allowed to butcher each other, and worse. Otherwise, if the Israelis claim to follow certain guidelines and don't "lower" themselves to the level of their enemies, they should be held accountable when sh!t like this happens, although I doubt that will happen because they too are fighting a "global war on terror", so such bending and utter disregards for their own rules are thrown to the winds.

you will never be able to convince anyone with half a braincell that the Israelis are anywhere near as brutal and inhumane as their terrorist opponents.

Equating the two forces, in terms of their willingness to kill innocents, would be totally and completely ridiculous.

I don't need to convince people like you, those with a fully functioning brain is good enough. Thankfully, there are more of them and that is why Israel, along with Iran and AMerica, are the least popular nations on earth.

:roll:

Well, here you are. I answered your question and you give no response, only to reply to my post with an emoticon?

EDIT: Yes I live in this country, because it's my country and I still believed in its principals, even though they've been trampled on by your overlords who is supported by weak-minded individuals who are too afraid to think for themselves.

Lol, and who are my "overlords"? Since you continually show such a disdain for this country, why don't you move to Iran, or whatever country it is that you think is so great. I'm not being a smartass either, I'm genuinely curious.

You are the one that shows disdain for this country by not questioning your leaders. Instead, you follow them blindly from one failure to another. It is you who would be more comfortable in Iran or North Korea.

That doesn't even make any sense.

Of course you don't understand it, because your mind is weak. You need to question your leaders. Ask tough questions. Otherwise, you're part of the problem.

You have absolutely no idea how I voted in the last election, take your condescending crap elsewhere.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50
Narmer, where is your thread showing your outrage when Palestinians do this?

I don't give a damn who does what. I just feel that people shouldn't attempt to hold the moral high ground when they're as savage as their enemy. If we can agree on that, then these soldiers and the Palestinian (freedom) fighters should be allowed to butcher each other, and worse. Otherwise, if the Israelis claim to follow certain guidelines and don't "lower" themselves to the level of their enemies, they should be held accountable when sh!t like this happens, although I doubt that will happen because they too are fighting a "global war on terror", so such bending and utter disregards for their own rules are thrown to the winds.

you will never be able to convince anyone with half a braincell that the Israelis are anywhere near as brutal and inhumane as their terrorist opponents.

Equating the two forces, in terms of their willingness to kill innocents, would be totally and completely ridiculous.

I don't need to convince people like you, those with a fully functioning brain is good enough. Thankfully, there are more of them and that is why Israel, along with Iran and AMerica, are the least popular nations on earth.

:roll:

Well, here you are. I answered your question and you give no response, only to reply to my post with an emoticon?

You don't see any difference between the Israelis defending themselves and terrorists targeting innocent civilians, you don't deserve a response.

Tell me, what is a terrorist? Is he/she some evil incarnate that is the spawn of satan? Who is defending themselves here? The fighters on the Israeli side or the fighters on the Palestinian side? And, finally, WTF are you to judge them?

Yea, who am I to judge people that blow themselves up with no regard to innocent women and children....I think its odd that you seem more upset with me judging these disgusting pieces of filth than you are with the act of intentionally targeting women and children.

You need to stop judging the acts in and of themselves and start judging them relative to the other side. If you feel it's "humane to kill hundreds from an F-15 15K feet in the air than sacrificing yourself up close and personal, then you, IMHO, are a coward. It takes guts and true sacrifice you want to die for a cause than doing something for a paycheck.

Do these F-15s target innocent civilians?

No, but the pilots do because their objective is to neutralize the target, at minimal cost, not zero cost. So, if a civvie is in the way, oh well.

Furthermore, if you want to do a wholesale analysis of who is innocent in these wars, you'd quickly realize that in a democratic system, civilians hold the most power. However, according to your laws and regulations, civilians are not to be touched. It seems contradictory to me. Furthermore, if civilians are not to be touched, then civilian casualty are not to be tolerated, ever.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50
Narmer, where is your thread showing your outrage when Palestinians do this?

I don't give a damn who does what. I just feel that people shouldn't attempt to hold the moral high ground when they're as savage as their enemy. If we can agree on that, then these soldiers and the Palestinian (freedom) fighters should be allowed to butcher each other, and worse. Otherwise, if the Israelis claim to follow certain guidelines and don't "lower" themselves to the level of their enemies, they should be held accountable when sh!t like this happens, although I doubt that will happen because they too are fighting a "global war on terror", so such bending and utter disregards for their own rules are thrown to the winds.

you will never be able to convince anyone with half a braincell that the Israelis are anywhere near as brutal and inhumane as their terrorist opponents.

Equating the two forces, in terms of their willingness to kill innocents, would be totally and completely ridiculous.

I don't need to convince people like you, those with a fully functioning brain is good enough. Thankfully, there are more of them and that is why Israel, along with Iran and AMerica, are the least popular nations on earth.

:roll:

Well, here you are. I answered your question and you give no response, only to reply to my post with an emoticon?

EDIT: Yes I live in this country, because it's my country and I still believed in its principals, even though they've been trampled on by your overlords who is supported by weak-minded individuals who are too afraid to think for themselves.

Lol, and who are my "overlords"? Since you continually show such a disdain for this country, why don't you move to Iran, or whatever country it is that you think is so great. I'm not being a smartass either, I'm genuinely curious.

You are the one that shows disdain for this country by not questioning your leaders. Instead, you follow them blindly from one failure to another. It is you who would be more comfortable in Iran or North Korea.

That doesn't even make any sense.

Of course you don't understand it, because your mind is weak. You need to question your leaders. Ask tough questions. Otherwise, you're part of the problem.

You have absolutely no idea how I voted in the last election, take your condescending crap elsewhere.

I don't give a damn how you voted, but seeing your opinion in this forum leads me to believe that you blindly follow this current administration.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50
Narmer, where is your thread showing your outrage when Palestinians do this?

I don't give a damn who does what. I just feel that people shouldn't attempt to hold the moral high ground when they're as savage as their enemy. If we can agree on that, then these soldiers and the Palestinian (freedom) fighters should be allowed to butcher each other, and worse. Otherwise, if the Israelis claim to follow certain guidelines and don't "lower" themselves to the level of their enemies, they should be held accountable when sh!t like this happens, although I doubt that will happen because they too are fighting a "global war on terror", so such bending and utter disregards for their own rules are thrown to the winds.

you will never be able to convince anyone with half a braincell that the Israelis are anywhere near as brutal and inhumane as their terrorist opponents.

Equating the two forces, in terms of their willingness to kill innocents, would be totally and completely ridiculous.

I don't need to convince people like you, those with a fully functioning brain is good enough. Thankfully, there are more of them and that is why Israel, along with Iran and AMerica, are the least popular nations on earth.

:roll:

Well, here you are. I answered your question and you give no response, only to reply to my post with an emoticon?

EDIT: Yes I live in this country, because it's my country and I still believed in its principals, even though they've been trampled on by your overlords who is supported by weak-minded individuals who are too afraid to think for themselves.

Lol, and who are my "overlords"? Since you continually show such a disdain for this country, why don't you move to Iran, or whatever country it is that you think is so great. I'm not being a smartass either, I'm genuinely curious.

You are the one that shows disdain for this country by not questioning your leaders. Instead, you follow them blindly from one failure to another. It is you who would be more comfortable in Iran or North Korea.

That doesn't even make any sense.

Of course you don't understand it, because your mind is weak. You need to question your leaders. Ask tough questions. Otherwise, you're part of the problem.

You have absolutely no idea how I voted in the last election, take your condescending crap elsewhere.

I don't give a damn how you voted, but seeing your opinion in this forum leads me to believe that you blindly follow this current administration.

Well I guess that proves it then. You see a few posts from me on an internet forum so you know all about me.

I guess that means that I know that you support terrorists and people blowing up innocent children.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50
Narmer, where is your thread showing your outrage when Palestinians do this?

I don't give a damn who does what. I just feel that people shouldn't attempt to hold the moral high ground when they're as savage as their enemy. If we can agree on that, then these soldiers and the Palestinian (freedom) fighters should be allowed to butcher each other, and worse. Otherwise, if the Israelis claim to follow certain guidelines and don't "lower" themselves to the level of their enemies, they should be held accountable when sh!t like this happens, although I doubt that will happen because they too are fighting a "global war on terror", so such bending and utter disregards for their own rules are thrown to the winds.

you will never be able to convince anyone with half a braincell that the Israelis are anywhere near as brutal and inhumane as their terrorist opponents.

Equating the two forces, in terms of their willingness to kill innocents, would be totally and completely ridiculous.

I don't need to convince people like you, those with a fully functioning brain is good enough. Thankfully, there are more of them and that is why Israel, along with Iran and AMerica, are the least popular nations on earth.

:roll:

Well, here you are. I answered your question and you give no response, only to reply to my post with an emoticon?

You don't see any difference between the Israelis defending themselves and terrorists targeting innocent civilians, you don't deserve a response.

Tell me, what is a terrorist? Is he/she some evil incarnate that is the spawn of satan? Who is defending themselves here? The fighters on the Israeli side or the fighters on the Palestinian side? And, finally, WTF are you to judge them?

Yea, who am I to judge people that blow themselves up with no regard to innocent women and children....I think its odd that you seem more upset with me judging these disgusting pieces of filth than you are with the act of intentionally targeting women and children.

You need to stop judging the acts in and of themselves and start judging them relative to the other side. If you feel it's "humane to kill hundreds from an F-15 15K feet in the air than sacrificing yourself up close and personal, then you, IMHO, are a coward. It takes guts and true sacrifice you want to die for a cause than doing something for a paycheck.

Do these F-15s target innocent civilians?

No, but the pilots do because their objective is to neutralize the target, at minimal cost, not zero cost. So, if a civvie is in the way, oh well.

Furthermore, if you want to do a wholesale analysis of who is innocent in these wars, you'd quickly realize that in a democratic system, civilians hold the most power. However, according to your laws and regulations, civilians are not to be touched. It seems contradictory to me. Furthermore, if civilians are not to be touched, then civilian casualty are not to be tolerated, ever.

Ok, filtering through the crap in your post, we see that F-15s strike military targets doing the best that they can to minimize civilian casualties, while suicide bombers intentionally target innocent civilians. See the difference?

I have talked with you about this before and I have never seen you condemn the acts of terrorists, so this is pretty much a pointless debate. Someone that tries to rationalize the targeting of innocent civlians is just sad.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50
Narmer, where is your thread showing your outrage when Palestinians do this?

I don't give a damn who does what. I just feel that people shouldn't attempt to hold the moral high ground when they're as savage as their enemy. If we can agree on that, then these soldiers and the Palestinian (freedom) fighters should be allowed to butcher each other, and worse. Otherwise, if the Israelis claim to follow certain guidelines and don't "lower" themselves to the level of their enemies, they should be held accountable when sh!t like this happens, although I doubt that will happen because they too are fighting a "global war on terror", so such bending and utter disregards for their own rules are thrown to the winds.

you will never be able to convince anyone with half a braincell that the Israelis are anywhere near as brutal and inhumane as their terrorist opponents.

Equating the two forces, in terms of their willingness to kill innocents, would be totally and completely ridiculous.

I don't need to convince people like you, those with a fully functioning brain is good enough. Thankfully, there are more of them and that is why Israel, along with Iran and AMerica, are the least popular nations on earth.

:roll:

Well, here you are. I answered your question and you give no response, only to reply to my post with an emoticon?

EDIT: Yes I live in this country, because it's my country and I still believed in its principals, even though they've been trampled on by your overlords who is supported by weak-minded individuals who are too afraid to think for themselves.

Lol, and who are my "overlords"? Since you continually show such a disdain for this country, why don't you move to Iran, or whatever country it is that you think is so great. I'm not being a smartass either, I'm genuinely curious.

You are the one that shows disdain for this country by not questioning your leaders. Instead, you follow them blindly from one failure to another. It is you who would be more comfortable in Iran or North Korea.

That doesn't even make any sense.

Of course you don't understand it, because your mind is weak. You need to question your leaders. Ask tough questions. Otherwise, you're part of the problem.

You have absolutely no idea how I voted in the last election, take your condescending crap elsewhere.

I don't give a damn how you voted, but seeing your opinion in this forum leads me to believe that you blindly follow this current administration.

Well I guess that proves it then. You see a few posts from me on an internet forum so you know all about me.

I guess that means that I know that you support terrorists and people blowing up innocent children.

No, I don't support either side in that mess. What I absolute hate is when one side tries to justify its actions via morality and institutions, when the effect is the same or worse than the "terrorists" you hate. To me, a dead man is a dead man, no matter who did the killing. For one side to justify it behind their laws, rules, and regulations is sickening and hypocritical when you see them do the same thing as their enemies.

So yes, you can label me as supporting terrorists and it won't phase me one bit because you're no better or worse than those you hate.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50
Narmer, where is your thread showing your outrage when Palestinians do this?

I don't give a damn who does what. I just feel that people shouldn't attempt to hold the moral high ground when they're as savage as their enemy. If we can agree on that, then these soldiers and the Palestinian (freedom) fighters should be allowed to butcher each other, and worse. Otherwise, if the Israelis claim to follow certain guidelines and don't "lower" themselves to the level of their enemies, they should be held accountable when sh!t like this happens, although I doubt that will happen because they too are fighting a "global war on terror", so such bending and utter disregards for their own rules are thrown to the winds.

you will never be able to convince anyone with half a braincell that the Israelis are anywhere near as brutal and inhumane as their terrorist opponents.

Equating the two forces, in terms of their willingness to kill innocents, would be totally and completely ridiculous.

I don't need to convince people like you, those with a fully functioning brain is good enough. Thankfully, there are more of them and that is why Israel, along with Iran and AMerica, are the least popular nations on earth.

:roll:

Well, here you are. I answered your question and you give no response, only to reply to my post with an emoticon?

You don't see any difference between the Israelis defending themselves and terrorists targeting innocent civilians, you don't deserve a response.

Tell me, what is a terrorist? Is he/she some evil incarnate that is the spawn of satan? Who is defending themselves here? The fighters on the Israeli side or the fighters on the Palestinian side? And, finally, WTF are you to judge them?

Yea, who am I to judge people that blow themselves up with no regard to innocent women and children....I think its odd that you seem more upset with me judging these disgusting pieces of filth than you are with the act of intentionally targeting women and children.

You need to stop judging the acts in and of themselves and start judging them relative to the other side. If you feel it's "humane to kill hundreds from an F-15 15K feet in the air than sacrificing yourself up close and personal, then you, IMHO, are a coward. It takes guts and true sacrifice you want to die for a cause than doing something for a paycheck.

Do these F-15s target innocent civilians?

No, but the pilots do because their objective is to neutralize the target, at minimal cost, not zero cost. So, if a civvie is in the way, oh well.

Furthermore, if you want to do a wholesale analysis of who is innocent in these wars, you'd quickly realize that in a democratic system, civilians hold the most power. However, according to your laws and regulations, civilians are not to be touched. It seems contradictory to me. Furthermore, if civilians are not to be touched, then civilian casualty are not to be tolerated, ever.

Ok, filtering through the crap in your post, we see that F-15s strike military targets doing the best that they can to minimize civilian casualties, while suicide bombers intentionally target innocent civilians. See the difference?

I have talked with you about this before and I have never seen you condemn the acts of terrorists, so this is pretty much a pointless debate. Someone that tries to rationalize the targeting of innocent civlians is just sad.

Why try to minimize it? Why not eliminate it all-together if civilians are so damn important to you. To me civilians in a democratic society choose their leaders who choose their policies. There should never be any sympathy for the power-brokers. I don't understand how you can give them a pass when they support the killing of their enemies, including the minimal civilian casualty which tends to be much, much higher compared to what the terrorists do.

 

[Aimster]

Because I am bored.....

Israel Negative Behavior

Video
Burning Conscience: Israeli Soldiers Speak Out

27 Israeli Pilots Refuse Orders in Palestine
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3140032.stm

Israel Fires Missile From F-16 At Apartment Building
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,329867,00.html

now ....
Palestinian Negative Behavior

Random Suicide Bombing:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A48690-2004Aug31?language=printer

Another Random Suicide Bombing
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,845107,00.html

...
my point? There is no "good" side when it comes to Israel versus the Palestinians.

However, Narmer you should take this into consideration. I don't know if you are a Persian or not but I believe that you are. Palestinians went to the street marching for Saddam when he brutally attacked Iran. They were chanting for the deaths of Iranians. Israelis might hate Palestinians and kill them but their soldiers have actually spoken out. Show me Palestinian soldiers speaking out. If Palestinians had their way they would nuke Israel.

Israel and Iran might have bad behavior towards each other, but Israel is full of Iranians (hundreds of thousands). Many Jewish Iranians in Israel have had high political powers including being President.

So Narmer.. think twice about who you support. I hope you are doing this for entertainment purposes only.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Because I am bored.....

Israel Negative Behavior

Video
Burning Conscience: Israeli Soldiers Speak Out

27 Israeli Pilots Refuse Orders in Palestine
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3140032.stm

Israel Fires Missile From F-16 At Apartment Building
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,329867,00.html

now ....
Palestinian Negative Behavior

Random Suicide Bombing:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A48690-2004Aug31?language=printer

Another Random Suicide Bombing
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,845107,00.html

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my point? There is no "good" side when it comes to Israel versus the Palestinians.

However, Narmer you should take this into consideration. I don't know if you are a Persian or not but I believe that you are. Palestinians went to the street marching for Saddam when he brutally attacked Iran. They were chanting for the deaths of Iranians. Israelis might hate Palestinians and kill them but their soldiers have actually spoken out. Show me Palestinian soldiers speaking out. If Palestinians had their way they would nuke Israel.

Israel and Iran might have bad behavior towards each other, but Israel is full of Iranians (hundreds of thousands). Many Jewish Iranians in Israel have had high political powers including being President.

So Narmer.. think twice about who you support. I hope you are doing this for entertainment purposes only.

I don't support anybody in that bloody mess over there. However, I will call a hypocrite when I see one. Those are the worst because they justify their savagery. No sympathy for anyone from me, more so for Israelis since they are a democracy. They have their votes, let them use it to make their nation more peaceful. If the Arabs want to nuke Israel, let them go ahead, and they too will pay an extremely high price.

Trust me when I tell you this, watching that freakshow in the Middle East will turn anyone into a devil's advocate or a cynic because there are no good guys.

 

[Jaskalas]

The only way for the Middle East to settle down is if one side is completely conquered and beaten into submission. For that to work out, one must pick a side and support it unless something grievous happens.

Cases like these are mistakes; the soldiers that do it should be executed immediately. If we were to be fair then, and hold the terrorist groups up to the same rule, then all of Palestine would become a graveyard.

I also have to admit a certain bias against those who murder our people as well as Israelis. Against those who adhere to a religion sworn to convert or kill the rest of the planet. I take it as our sworn duty for preservation for ourselves to do whatever it takes to force them to abandon their fight and surrender peacefully. If they decide such surrender must be signed in blood, then it must be and I have no qualms with seeing it through so long as we accomplish results.

To ignore them and allow them to continue to wage unending war for generations, as is the case here, is a more terrible crime than murdering their fighters and forcing a surrender and end to the bloodshed. If our generation is to pay a price for the crimes of our forefathers, then let us bear this burden now and not let our children continue to pay the ultimate price for our continued mistakes of allowing this war to continue.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Narmer
However, I will call a hypocrite when I see one. Those are the worst because they justify their savagery.

Didn't you just say that -- to use your kind of sensationalism -- the baby on the 5th floor is a valid target since his parents participate in a deomcratic system?

No sympathy for anyone from me, more so for Israelis since they are a democracy. They have their votes, let them use it to make their nation more peaceful.

Gotcha....
With that statement you've demonstrated that you're clueless about history and the current state of things.

Trust me when I tell you this, watching that freakshow in the Middle East will turn anyone into a devil's advocate or a cynic because there are no good guys.

Yet you seem to be trying to smear Israel with such zeal, even though this was video shot by the AP, which means most likely one of their Palestinian stringers, therefore you can count on it being out of context -- coupled with some fine BBC reporting.

Heck, even if this is a case of abuse by some soldiers, you can be sure that something will be done, unlike with the Palestinians where nobody follows the rules; heck -- they don't even have rules.

And by the way, you should stop throwing tantrums from your moral high ground, since if you were in the soldiers shoes, chances are you may have done the same thing.

Try not to use the previous sentence to rationalize suicide bombers.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Narmer
However, I will call a hypocrite when I see one. Those are the worst because they justify their savagery.

Didn't you just say that -- to use your kind of sensationalism -- the baby on the 5th floor is a valid target since his parents participate in a deomcratic system?

Babies don't have a choice, therefore they are truly innocent.

No sympathy for anyone from me, more so for Israelis since they are a democracy. They have their votes, let them use it to make their nation more peaceful.

Gotcha....
With that statement you've demonstrated that you're clueless about history and the current state of things.

Perhaps it is you that is clueless because you don't want to see the other side's POV, even when it's blatantly obvious that Israel is in the wrong, you side with them no matter what. It doesn't surprise me one bit. For people like you, the only way you will change is when the terror you love to hate comes home full circle. God forbid, when somebody in your family is killed, you may go over the top, but will come to realize that there are no winners and losers in this fight.

By the way, I think Israeli democracy is a sham because it is first and foremost a Jewish state, and second a "democratic society" with a few exceptions. I have no doubt that your arab enemies don't want you around and they are doing everything in their power to destroy your state. However, if Israel has to bend the rules; adopt the strategies of her enemies; and officially increase the heterogenesiousity of her society so that she can survive is telling of her short period on the world stage. Why call yourself a democracy when you have to make so many exceptions? You may not be the first, but is that a reason to make those exceptions? What good is a democracy that isn't really democratic?

Trust me when I tell you this, watching that freakshow in the Middle East will turn anyone into a devil's advocate or a cynic because there are no good guys.

Yet you seem to be trying to smear Israel with such zeal, even though this was video shot by the AP, which means most likely one of their Palestinian stringers, therefore you can count on it being out of context -- coupled with some fine BBC reporting.

Heck, even if this is a case of abuse by some soldiers, you can be sure that something will be done, unlike with the Palestinians where nobody follows the rules; heck -- they don't even have rules.

And by the way, you should stop throwing tantrums from your moral high ground, since if you were in the soldiers shoes, chances are you may have done the same thing.

Try not to use the previous sentence to rationalize suicide bombers.

Surely you're not as naive or stupid to believe that something will be done by the politicos or their military commanders, do you? And why does it take a camera to prove it when the Palestinians have been saying it for years? And you seem to contradict yourself when you say that I pick on Israel but Israel is supposed to have the highest standards in the M.E.? Are we supposed to let her become less a democracy and more an apartheid state because she is under such pressure? If your answer is yes, then she is no democracy. Therefore, you should cease to call her that. However, if your answer is no, then you must lead by example and stop your occupation of another people because it goes against the true principals of a democracy. I have no hatred for Israel, just the hypocritical nature of her supporters who want to call a three of spade an ace of spade.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Narmer
By the way, I think Israeli democracy is a sham because it is first and foremost a Jewish state, and second a "democratic society" with a few exceptions.

What you are really trying to say is that it is a sham because the majority of people are Jews, right?
In that case the USA's democracy is a sham because three-quarters are Christians; I'm sure the same principle can bel applied to Europe, while the Arab countries in the Middle East have no chance in hell of ever being a democracy by your standards.

Surely you're not as naive or stupid to believe that something will be done by the politicos or their military commanders, do you?

More wil be done than you can ever expect the Palestinians.

And you seem to contradict yourself when you say that I pick on Israel but Israel is supposed to have the highest standards in the M.E.?

Despite your agenda-neutral smear-job, Israel still has the highest standards in the M.E.

Are we supposed to let her become less a democracy and more an apartheid state because she is under such pressure?

You're as clueless as the German bishop commenting about the wall.

However, if your answer is no, then you must lead by example and stop your occupation of another people because it goes against the true principals of a democracy.

Here we go -- you finally got to the crux of it: the "occupation".
Who knows what you mean by "true principles", but you are taking some very convenient shortcuts with your history, making it seem as if the people in Israel woke up one sunny day in 1967 and said to themselves: "Gee, we're bored. Let's take over the West Bank and Gaza because we have nothing better to do."

I suppose you'd have everybody believe that there was no "resistence" prior to 1967, right?

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Narmer
By the way, I think Israeli democracy is a sham because it is first and foremost a Jewish state, and second a "democratic society" with a few exceptions.

What you are really trying to say is that it is a sham because the majority of people are Jews, right?
In that case the USA's democracy is a sham because three-quarters are Christians; I'm sure the same principle can bel applied to Europe, while the Arab countries in the Middle East have no chance in hell of ever being a democracy by your standards.

Surely you're not as naive or stupid to believe that something will be done by the politicos or their military commanders, do you?

More wil be done than you can ever expect the Palestinians.

And you seem to contradict yourself when you say that I pick on Israel but Israel is supposed to have the highest standards in the M.E.?

Despite your agenda-neutral smear-job, Israel still has the highest standards in the M.E.

Are we supposed to let her become less a democracy and more an apartheid state because she is under such pressure?

You're as clueless as the German bishop commenting about the wall.

However, if your answer is no, then you must lead by example and stop your occupation of another people because it goes against the true principals of a democracy.

Here we go -- you finally got to the crux of it: the "occupation".
Who knows what you mean by "true principles", but you are taking some very convenient shortcuts with your history, making it seem as if the people in Israel woke up one sunny day in 1967 and said to themselves: "Gee, we're bored. Let's take over the West Bank and Gaza because we have nothing better to do."

I suppose you'd have everybody believe that there was no "resistence" prior to 1967, right?

Tsk tsk tsk. America is a country whose majority of citizens are Christians, but Israel is a Jewish state first and foremost and a democracy second. Tell me, is it easier for a Jew from Brooklyn to become a citizen of Israel than an immigrant from Japan? Yes or no? Is there a policy favoring Jews (aliyah) "returning" to Israel or does everyone have equal status when applying for citizenship?

 

[imported_dna]

Silly me -- I thought democracy was about other things when in fact it is all about immigration policies.

Oh, what do you know -- the the US Diversity Visa program has restrictions as well; let's see who wasn't eligible this year:

BRAZIL, CANADA, CHINA (mainland-born), COLOMBIA, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, EL SALVADOR, HAITI, INDIA, JAMAICA, MEXICO, PAKISTAN, PHILIPPINES, PERU, POLAND, RUSSIA, SOUTH KOREA, UNITED KINGDOM (except Northern Ireland) and its dependent territories, and VIETNAM. Persons born in Hong Kong SAR, Macau SAR and Taiwan are eligible.

Gosh darn it! This country is really going down the drain..... either that, or we have a new working definition for democracy.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: dna
Silly me -- I thought democracy was about other things when in fact it is all about immigration policies.

Oh, what do you know -- the the US Diversity Visa program has restrictions as well; let's see who wasn't eligible this year:

BRAZIL, CANADA, CHINA (mainland-born), COLOMBIA, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, EL SALVADOR, HAITI, INDIA, JAMAICA, MEXICO, PAKISTAN, PHILIPPINES, PERU, POLAND, RUSSIA, SOUTH KOREA, UNITED KINGDOM (except Northern Ireland) and its dependent territories, and VIETNAM. Persons born in Hong Kong SAR, Macau SAR and Taiwan are eligible.

Gosh darn it! This country is really going down the drain..... either that, or we have a new working definition for democracy.

Can't get a simple answer out of you. That is evident of you trying to deflect attention from your own sham democracy to others. How sad. Let me ask you again, is there a bias in Jews and non-Jews immigrating to Israel? Yes or no. Simple questions deserve simple answers, unless the answer is far more complicated.

 

[imported_dna]

I would answer your question but it is biased.

The onus is on you to prove how the particular immigration policies you have a beef with are undemocratic.
Also, since we all know that you have no agenda, why don't you take into consideration immigration polices of other countries; Japan seems like a good choice since you've mentioned it.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: RichardE
Ah this guy.

Yeah, he goes around looking for stories to claim, he has made some wild claims. Listening to him is like listening to Iran commenting on US atrocities. Notice how at the end he says quickly, very very quickly "it is investigating these claims". He says that on every video, and nothing ever comes of it. I've made this comment in other threads of videos posted by this guy and I will make it here. I've kept watch on his other supposed "atrocities" where nothing ever came of it, and I will do the same here. In 3-5 months I'll bump your thread and call you an idiot when nothing comes of it. 🙂

Go read the World Weekly news, its about the same news value as this guy.

Do you think before you type?

Isolated or not, what does Israel have to gain from an open investigation of this incident?

They may do nothing, or they may throw the soldiers in jail, but I agree with part of your statement; we aren't likely to hear about this again.

You will hear nothing of it because there is nothing to the allegations. A known biased reporter working for a known biased company that makes videos like this frequently that are never backed up by other sources, even people who are working within Palestine who are sympathetic to there cause to destroy Israel.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: dna
I would answer your question but it is biased.

The onus is on you to prove how the particular immigration policies you have a beef with are undemocratic.
Also, since we all know that you have no agenda, why don't you take into consideration immigration polices of other countries; Japan seems like a good choice since you've mentioned it.

If you can't answer such a simple question, then you know that Israel has fundamental issues which make her unbecoming of a truly democratic nation. Stop justifying the weakness of Israel by pointing to others. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Now, answer the question. Yes or No?

 

[Screech]

Have you stopped beating your wife?

Yes, or no?😉