Well there you have it: Assault weapons ban

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Look at all the e-badasses come out of the woodwork.

"SHOOT'EM DEAD!"

"POP TWO IN THE CHEST!"

Then we have the doom-and-gloomers predicting Obama is going to storm into your homes, take your M16s and enslave your women. Although I'm betting more than half of these types are actually gun store owners drumming up business, getting people to hoard assault rifles and ammo like it's Y2K.

I just don't understand you. You keep telling us not to worry, no one is going to steal our guns, then you go and support legislation that is halfway there. I feel like the rapist is telling me that he's going to be gentle, so there's nothing to worry about.

There's nothing to understand, jpeyton is a tool plain and simple.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Jack Flash
I still don't understand the need for assault rifles.

I think handguns are fine. Hunting rifles... okay. But what's the need for a semi/automatic rifle?

Many hunting rifles are semi-auto you moron. You don't even understand the topic you're talking about yet you support banning them. Get some facts asshole.

Excuse me?? Anger problems much?if you're that hot headed from a completely placid question I worry about you toting a firearm.

You're hurting your cause.

You are either purposefully trolling or really don't understand.

AUTOMATIC = pull and hold trigger and weapon fires as fast as it can. Like you see in the movies it goes POP-POP-POP-POP-POP-POP-POP as long as you hold the trigger. These weapons are incredibly expensive and almost never used in crime.

SEMI-AUTOMATIC = Most all guns. Most all guns. Did I mention that almost all guns are of this type? You have to pull trigger for each round fired.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: lupi

Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades

All of which are routinely bought in US guns shops and whose reinstating the ban would go ever so far to curtail their use.

Do you have any comprehension, at all, of what it actually takes to purchase a legal automatic weapon in the United States?

If not, then I suggest looking back through my posts here. I've explained it at least twice already. Get yourself educated...

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Zebo
Red -

You have to have at least $16,000 (cost of M16), pay a $200 tax stamp, and submit to a thorough FBI check like one you have to have for secret clearance, and get local police department to sign off before you can get an M16.

You really think guy above is going to go ape shit on his neighbor, never has happened in history of NFA.

So all those reports of drive byes with Uzi's was just Left Wing Propaganda?

Full auto Uzi's cost ten of thousand dollars or more. They are not used by gang bangers. If they used an automatic then it was one that fell off a cargo ship, which a weapon ban will not stop.

You used to be smarter than this. Is it Massachusetts turning you into the worlds biggest pussy or just senility?

Easy on RD.. he came around later in the thread and admitted that he did not completely understand the topic before he started reading replies here. He seems to be the only one who actually read what we wrote, or linked to, and eventually allowed logic to prevail. I think he now understands the difference between an actual machinegun, and what the gun grabbers refer to as "assault rifles."

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: lupi

Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades

All of which are routinely bought in US guns shops and whose reinstating the ban would go ever so far to curtail their use.

Do you have any comprehension, at all, of what it actually takes to purchase a legal automatic weapon in the United States?

If not, then I suggest looking back through my posts here. I've explained it at least twice already. Get yourself educated...

Give it up palehorse. They have no fucking clue. "assault weapons" means what they see in the movies = full auto.

That evil black rifle destroys everything!!!! Nevermind that the weapons used in mexico have nothing to do with US.

 

[palehorse]

1) I would like to see some proof that the weapons currently being used in Mexico were obtained through otherwise legitimate -- currently legal -- channels in the United States.

2) Second, I would like to know the exact number of crimes, on an annual or extended basis, that have been committed in the U.S. with "assault weapons" obtained through the same legitimate -- currently legal -- channels in the U.S. Feel free to use the bullshit AWB definitions for "assault rifle" when providing this data.

Anyone? Anyone?...

 

[Jack Flash]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Jack Flash
I still don't understand the need for assault rifles.

I think handguns are fine. Hunting rifles... okay. But what's the need for a semi/automatic rifle?

Many hunting rifles are semi-auto you moron. You don't even understand the topic you're talking about yet you support banning them. Get some facts asshole.

Excuse me?? Anger problems much?if you're that hot headed from a completely placid question I worry about you toting a firearm.

You're hurting your cause.

You are either purposefully trolling or really don't understand.

AUTOMATIC = pull and hold trigger and weapon fires as fast as it can. Like you see in the movies it goes POP-POP-POP-POP-POP-POP-POP as long as you hold the trigger. These weapons are incredibly expensive and almost never used in crime.

SEMI-AUTOMATIC = Most all guns. Most all guns. Did I mention that almost all guns are of this type? You have to pull trigger for each round fired.

Semi-automatic is my misunderstanding.

But why am I being called a moron and asshoel for posing an innocent question.

My statement is redefined.

Why would I need more than a semi-automatic handgun for self defense.

I'm not against the right to bear arms or even concealed weapons permits, but I just don't see the legitimate need for weapons like the AK-47 one of my friends purchased legally. As I understand it shoots 3 bullets in rapid succession per trigger press. Why would you need something like that for self defense?

 

[Jmman]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Jack Flash
I still don't understand the need for assault rifles.

I think handguns are fine. Hunting rifles... okay. But what's the need for a semi/automatic rifle?

Many hunting rifles are semi-auto you moron. You don't even understand the topic you're talking about yet you support banning them. Get some facts asshole.

Excuse me?? Anger problems much?if you're that hot headed from a completely placid question I worry about you toting a firearm.

You're hurting your cause.

You are either purposefully trolling or really don't understand.

AUTOMATIC = pull and hold trigger and weapon fires as fast as it can. Like you see in the movies it goes POP-POP-POP-POP-POP-POP-POP as long as you hold the trigger. These weapons are incredibly expensive and almost never used in crime.

SEMI-AUTOMATIC = Most all guns. Most all guns. Did I mention that almost all guns are of this type? You have to pull trigger for each round fired.

Semi-automatic is my misunderstanding.

But why am I being called a moron and asshoel for posing an innocent question.

My statement is redefined.

Why would I need more than a semi-automatic handgun for self defense.

I'm not against the right to bear arms or even concealed weapons permits, but I just don't see the legitimate need for weapons like the AK-47 one of my friends purchased legally. As I understand it shoots 3 bullets in rapid succession per trigger press. Why would you need something like that for self defense?

I can virtually guarantee that it does not fire 3 rounds for one sqeeze of the trigger. If it did, it would be considered fully automatic and also cost upwards of 10K.....

 

[Jack Flash]

Originally posted by: palehorse
1) I would like to see some proof that the weapons currently being used in Mexico were obtained through otherwise legitimate -- currently legal -- channels in the United States.

2) Second, I would like to know the exact number of crimes, on an annual or extended basis, that have been committed in the U.S. with "assault weapons" obtained through the same legitimate -- currently legal -- channels in the U.S. Feel free to use the bullshit AWB definitions for "assault rifle" when providing this data.

Anyone? Anyone?...

So, you want to have an 'assault rifle' to be matched evenly with Mexican drug smugglers with 'assault rifles?'

Just clarifying.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Jack Flash
I still don't understand the need for assault rifles.

I think handguns are fine. Hunting rifles... okay. But what's the need for a semi/automatic rifle?

Many hunting rifles are semi-auto you moron. You don't even understand the topic you're talking about yet you support banning them. Get some facts asshole.

Excuse me?? Anger problems much?if you're that hot headed from a completely placid question I worry about you toting a firearm.

You're hurting your cause.

You are either purposefully trolling or really don't understand.

AUTOMATIC = pull and hold trigger and weapon fires as fast as it can. Like you see in the movies it goes POP-POP-POP-POP-POP-POP-POP as long as you hold the trigger. These weapons are incredibly expensive and almost never used in crime.

SEMI-AUTOMATIC = Most all guns. Most all guns. Did I mention that almost all guns are of this type? You have to pull trigger for each round fired.

Semi-automatic is my misunderstanding.

But why am I being called a moron and asshoel for posing an innocent question.

My statement is redefined.

Why would I need more than a semi-automatic handgun for self defense.

I'm not against the right to bear arms or even concealed weapons permits, but I just don't see the legitimate need for weapons like the AK-47 one of my friends purchased legally. As I understand it shoots 3 bullets in rapid succession per trigger press. Why would you need something like that for self defense?

1) How much did your friend pay for his AK47 with 3-round burst? How long was his wait time (how many months)?

If he obtained the weapon and burst-capable sear mechanism legally, as you claim, your friend's gun would have cost upwards of $8000, or more; and he probably waited 2-3 months for approval to purchase the sear itself. He also had to undergo an extensive background check that makes normal gun screening seem silly. On top of that, he had to pay an additional tax fee for the registration of the sear.

HINT: the "sear" is the little piece that makes the weapon shoot on automatic or 3-round burst. Sears are a rare commodity and cost upwards of $8k to $15k just for the pin/box itself. Ownership of every legitimate automatic sear in the U.S. is controlled very tightly by the government.

2) If your friend's AK did not use 3-round bursts, and only fired one bullet for each squeeze of the trigger (read: semi-automatic), would it still seem outlandish or unnecessary? If so, why?

3) Last, please explain to me the differences between a .308 Remington 700 varmint rifle and a semi-automatic AK47.

 

[Jack Flash]

Originally posted by: Jmman

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Jack Flash
I still don't understand the need for assault rifles.

I think handguns are fine. Hunting rifles... okay. But what's the need for a semi/automatic rifle?

Many hunting rifles are semi-auto you moron. You don't even understand the topic you're talking about yet you support banning them. Get some facts asshole.

Excuse me?? Anger problems much?if you're that hot headed from a completely placid question I worry about you toting a firearm.

You're hurting your cause.

You are either purposefully trolling or really don't understand.

AUTOMATIC = pull and hold trigger and weapon fires as fast as it can. Like you see in the movies it goes POP-POP-POP-POP-POP-POP-POP as long as you hold the trigger. These weapons are incredibly expensive and almost never used in crime.

SEMI-AUTOMATIC = Most all guns. Most all guns. Did I mention that almost all guns are of this type? You have to pull trigger for each round fired.

Semi-automatic is my misunderstanding.

But why am I being called a moron and asshoel for posing an innocent question.

My statement is redefined.

Why would I need more than a semi-automatic handgun for self defense.

I'm not against the right to bear arms or even concealed weapons permits, but I just don't see the legitimate need for weapons like the AK-47 one of my friends purchased legally. As I understand it shoots 3 bullets in rapid succession per trigger press. Why would you need something like that for self defense?

I can virtually guarantee that it does not fire 3 rounds for one sqeeze of the trigger. If it did, it would be considered fully automatic and also cost upwards of 10K.....

I am 99% certain that it fires 3 shots per trigger press. I should clarify it wasn't my 24 year old friends money, rather his gun collecting father who is also a neurosurgeon.

They don't see it as a self-defense tool. He doesn't even carry a firearm. He locks them up in his basement.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash
They don't see it as a self-defense tool. He doesn't even carry a firearm. He locks them up in his basement.

That's a good idea.. After all, AG Holder said that the crazy Mexicans might be coming to steal it soon! :laugh:

Please go back and answer the questions I asked you in my last post.

 

[Jack Flash]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Jack Flash
They don't see it as a self-defense tool. He doesn't even carry a firearm. He locks them up in his basement.

That's a good idea.. After all, AG Holder said that the crazy Mexicans might be coming to steal it soon! :laugh:

Please go back and answer the questions I asked you in my last post.

I think you're misunderstanding me.

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Jack Flash
I still don't understand the need for assault rifles.

I think handguns are fine. Hunting rifles... okay. But what's the need for a semi/automatic rifle?

Many hunting rifles are semi-auto you moron. You don't even understand the topic you're talking about yet you support banning them. Get some facts asshole.

Excuse me?? Anger problems much?if you're that hot headed from a completely placid question I worry about you toting a firearm.

You're hurting your cause.

You are either purposefully trolling or really don't understand.

AUTOMATIC = pull and hold trigger and weapon fires as fast as it can. Like you see in the movies it goes POP-POP-POP-POP-POP-POP-POP as long as you hold the trigger. These weapons are incredibly expensive and almost never used in crime.

SEMI-AUTOMATIC = Most all guns. Most all guns. Did I mention that almost all guns are of this type? You have to pull trigger for each round fired.

Semi-automatic is my misunderstanding.

But why am I being called a moron and asshoel for posing an innocent question.

My statement is redefined.

Why would I need more than a semi-automatic handgun for self defense.

I'm not against the right to bear arms or even concealed weapons permits, but I just don't see the legitimate need for weapons like the AK-47 one of my friends purchased legally. As I understand it shoots 3 bullets in rapid succession per trigger press. Why would you need something like that for self defense?

Civilian AK's do not, and have never fired more than one round per trigger pull.
Nor has any semi automatic gun ever sold (the kind of gun this legislation is specifically targeted at)

 

[AndrewR]

I'm just trying to figure out how semiautomatic assault weapons purchased in the US are morphing into automatic weapons in the hands of the Mexicans (see article linked in OP). And, where can I go in this country to buy grenades?? That would be great.

 

[daishi5]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Jack Flash
I still don't understand the need for assault rifles.

I think handguns are fine. Hunting rifles... okay. But what's the need for a semi/automatic rifle?

Many hunting rifles are semi-auto you moron. You don't even understand the topic you're talking about yet you support banning them. Get some facts asshole.

Excuse me?? Anger problems much?if you're that hot headed from a completely placid question I worry about you toting a firearm.

You're hurting your cause.

You are either purposefully trolling or really don't understand.

AUTOMATIC = pull and hold trigger and weapon fires as fast as it can. Like you see in the movies it goes POP-POP-POP-POP-POP-POP-POP as long as you hold the trigger. These weapons are incredibly expensive and almost never used in crime.

SEMI-AUTOMATIC = Most all guns. Most all guns. Did I mention that almost all guns are of this type? You have to pull trigger for each round fired.

Semi-automatic is my misunderstanding.

But why am I being called a moron and asshoel for posing an innocent question.

My statement is redefined.

Why would I need more than a semi-automatic handgun for self defense.

I'm not against the right to bear arms or even concealed weapons permits, but I just don't see the legitimate need for weapons like the AK-47 one of my friends purchased legally. As I understand it shoots 3 bullets in rapid succession per trigger press. Why would you need something like that for self defense?

The reason you are being insulted is because you do not know what you are talking about, and you still want to ban them. Under the assault weapons ban, weapons were banned for cosmetic features, such as, having a pistol grip, a barrel shroud, and a bayonet mount.

The following features were NOT part of any assault weapon ban.
1. Firing more than one round per trigger pull
2. Caliber of the round
3. Armor penetrating capabilities of a round
4. Common use in crimes
5. Rate of fire
6. Range


For example
The california Assault weapons ban has led to this wonderful example of "assault weapons"
This is not an "assault weapon"

This is an "assault weapon"

People who know at least a little about guns (I don't know much) are actually very sick and tired of people who have no clue what they are talking about crying that we need to ban guns that are "assault weapons." The term assault weapon means nothing, we could call it a "zoozoo weapon" ban, and it would have the same meaning, in other words whatever in the hell we want.

Take a minute and ask if this makes any sense. I want to ban zoozoo weapons, I know they do not work any differently from normal rifles that I don't want to ban, I know they are used in less than 1% of crimes in the united states, I know they are actually less dangerous than high powered hunting rifles. However, despite all of that, those weapons look scary, and they look like the guns bad guys use in movies, and I don't want my neighbor owning a zoozoo gun.

It sounds stupid, but if you replace zoozoo with "assault weapon" (OOOHH SCARY!!!!) suddenly everyone thinks that it makes sense. Politicians are lying to you when they say "assault weapon" because they know that you think it means fully automatic military weapon, when it does not.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

I am 99% certain that it fires 3 shots per trigger press. I should clarify it wasn't my 24 year old friends money, rather his gun collecting father who is also a neurosurgeon.

Are you sure that it is not a military M16A2? Unless it has been heavily modified, an AK-47 does not fire three-round bursts per trigger press. I have fired an AK-74 (basically an AKM (an improved AK-47) chambered for the far deadlier 5.45x39 round) and it certainly does not fire three shots per trigger press. But yeh, a neurosurgeon should be able to afford an auto or burst firing weapon.

M16A2 picture: link

AKM / AK-47 Pictures: link

They don't see it as a self-defense tool. He doesn't even carry a firearm. He locks them up in his basement.

Investment / inflation hedge or survivalist?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

I am 99% certain that it fires 3 shots per trigger press. I should clarify it wasn't my 24 year old friends money, rather his gun collecting father who is also a neurosurgeon.

Are you sure that it is not a military M16A2? Unless it has been heavily modified, an AK-47 does not fire three-round bursts per trigger press. I have fired an AK-74 (basically an AKM (an improved AK-47) chambered for the far deadlier 5.45x39 round) and it certainly does not fire three shots per trigger press. But yeh, a neurosurgeon should be able to afford an auto or burst firing weapon.

M16A2 picture: link

AKM / AK-47 Pictures: link

They don't see it as a self-defense tool. He doesn't even carry a firearm. He locks them up in his basement.

Investment / inflation hedge or survivalist?

Yep, I'm calling BS on this.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

I am 99% certain that it fires 3 shots per trigger press. I should clarify it wasn't my 24 year old friends money, rather his gun collecting father who is also a neurosurgeon.

Are you sure that it is not a military M16A2? Unless it has been heavily modified, an AK-47 does not fire three-round bursts per trigger press. I have fired an AK-74 (basically an AKM (an improved AK-47) chambered for the far deadlier 5.45x39 round) and it certainly does not fire three shots per trigger press. But yeh, a neurosurgeon should be able to afford an auto or burst firing weapon.

It's certainly possible to install one in an after-market civilian AK47 -- if you're lucky enough to find the correct trigger group, can afford it, pass the background checks, and know a capable machinist or builder to install everything properly.

Example: http://www.ak-47.net/ak47/3shotburst.html

I also believe the Polish AK47 Tantal came with both 3-shot burst and automatic. Three shot burst is actually not a bad idea on an AK... they tend to jump a bit.

Then again, I'm not a fan of automatic rifles... optics and well-aimed semi-auto shots FTW!

 

[Jack Flash]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

I am 99% certain that it fires 3 shots per trigger press. I should clarify it wasn't my 24 year old friends money, rather his gun collecting father who is also a neurosurgeon.

Are you sure that it is not a military M16A2? Unless it has been heavily modified, an AK-47 does not fire three-round bursts per trigger press. I have fired an AK-74 (basically an AKM (an improved AK-47) chambered for the far deadlier 5.45x39 round) and it certainly does not fire three shots per trigger press. But yeh, a neurosurgeon should be able to afford an auto or burst firing weapon.

M16A2 picture: link

AKM / AK-47 Pictures: link

They don't see it as a self-defense tool. He doesn't even carry a firearm. He locks them up in his basement.

Investment / inflation hedge or survivalist?

Yep, I'm calling BS on this.

Fine by me if you don't want to believe me. It's obviously not illegal to own a burst firing weapon. As I recall it's more similar to the M16A2 linked above than the AK-47. I haven't seen this gun in years and when I was it fired it was at night. Seeing what palehorse just posted that could be the modification. I don't pretend to know.

I think you really misunderstand my intentions in this thread, spidey.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash
I think you're misunderstanding me.

YGPM.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

I am 99% certain that it fires 3 shots per trigger press. I should clarify it wasn't my 24 year old friends money, rather his gun collecting father who is also a neurosurgeon.

Are you sure that it is not a military M16A2? Unless it has been heavily modified, an AK-47 does not fire three-round bursts per trigger press. I have fired an AK-74 (basically an AKM (an improved AK-47) chambered for the far deadlier 5.45x39 round) and it certainly does not fire three shots per trigger press. But yeh, a neurosurgeon should be able to afford an auto or burst firing weapon.

It's certainly possible to install one in an after-market civilian AK47 -- if you're lucky enough to find the correct trigger group, can afford it, pass the background checks, and know a capable machinist or builder to install everything properly.

Example: http://www.ak-47.net/ak47/3shotburst.html

I also believe the Polish AK47 Tantal came with both 3-shot burst and automatic. Three shot burst is actually not a bad idea on an AK... they tend to jump a bit.

Then again, I'm not a fan of automatic rifles... optics and well-aimed semi-auto shots FTW!

Tantals aren't AKs, slightly different design. Came in a 1/3/Auto platform and wasn't introduced until well after 1986. There aren't any true Tantals in US citizen hands other than SOTs.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Fine by me if you don't want to believe me. It's obviously not illegal to own a burst firing weapon. As I recall it's more similar to the M16A2 linked above than the AK-47. I haven't seen this gun in years and when I was it fired it was at night. Seeing what palehorse just posted that could be the modification. I don't pretend to know.

I think you really misunderstand my intentions in this thread, spidey.

I may have and I apologize for not understanding you.

It's not difficult to make weapons in question to be full auto. It's not difficult at all to modify any weapon.

 

[NeoV]

"1) I would like to see some proof that the weapons currently being used in Mexico were obtained through otherwise legitimate -- currently legal -- channels in the United States. "

http://articles.latimes.com/20...ug/10/nation/na-guns10

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...&hw=gun&sn=017&sc=1000

http://www.portfolio.com/news-...he-US-Mexico-Gun-Trade

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WO...n.smuggling/index.html

You get the idea.

"Mexicans must get approval for a gun purchase from the Mexican defense department and are limited to guns with a caliber no higher than the standard .38-caliber. Larger calibers are considered military weapons and are off-limits to civilians."

 

[BuckNaked]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

I am 99% certain that it fires 3 shots per trigger press. I should clarify it wasn't my 24 year old friends money, rather his gun collecting father who is also a neurosurgeon.

Are you sure that it is not a military M16A2? Unless it has been heavily modified, an AK-47 does not fire three-round bursts per trigger press. I have fired an AK-74 (basically an AKM (an improved AK-47) chambered for the far deadlier 5.45x39 round) and it certainly does not fire three shots per trigger press. But yeh, a neurosurgeon should be able to afford an auto or burst firing weapon.

It's certainly possible to install one in an after-market civilian AK47 -- if you're lucky enough to find the correct trigger group, can afford it, pass the background checks, and know a capable machinist or builder to install everything properly.

Example: http://www.ak-47.net/ak47/3shotburst.html

I also believe the Polish AK47 Tantal came with both 3-shot burst and automatic. Three shot burst is actually not a bad idea on an AK... they tend to jump a bit.

Then again, I'm not a fan of automatic rifles... optics and well-aimed semi-auto shots FTW!

Tantals aren't AKs, slightly different design. Came in a 1/3/Auto platform and wasn't introduced until well after 1986. There aren't any true Tantals in US citizen hands other than SOTs.

Actually a foreign made automatic weapon had to have been imported prior to 1968 to be a transferable weapon. This was a result of the Gun Control Act of '68. Pre '86 applies to domestically produced weapons, or foreign weapons that were imported in a semi-auto configuration, and then domestically altered to an automatic configuration, but again prior to 1986, to be transferable... Transferable meaning that the weapon can be owned by a civilian, having paid for the tax stamp and having undergone an extensive background check, prior to taking possession.

As for some of the other posters here, you really don't have enough knowledge to make some of the arguments you are making. If you believe you can go into a gun shop and walk out with an automatic weapon or grenade, you are sadly mistaken.

Not to be condescending, but if you are getting most of your information from the mainstream press, you are seriously misinformed... I am somewhat knowledgeable about some of this, and am somewhat biased, but some of the information that is passed off as 'reporting' is either a downright lie, or at the least is being reported by someone who really shouldn't have the right to pass off such mis-information as journalism.

I may not agree with some of you, but respect the fact that you can have your opinion... I just wish more of it was based on accurate, factual information... it may alter some of your viewpoints if you were more accurately informed with the truth...