Wearing A Mask: Now a Cultist Following

[cytg111]

B-B-B-But but but but what about my random one in a billion half brother cousin that is vulnerable and can't take the vaccine?! Everyone should still wear masks because of the .0001%! How dare you!

Fucking moron, the ridiculus far far far left you always come here to complain about IS NOT HERE. NOT HERE.

 

[cytg111]

If we're not close to the end game now, I'd like to know how people that are upset about this think how CDC got it wrong and what their metrics would be.

Overall I think the CDC has been pretty good throughout the pandemic and as the science evolved.

Indeed. New virus.
- Wear a mask. N95 mask.
Time goes, learn some more about this virus
- Other masks OK too.

OMG FAUCI FLIPFLOPPIN' - Some1.

 

[Meghan54]

B-B-B-But but but but what about my random one in a billion half brother cousin that is vulnerable and can't take the vaccine?! Everyone should still wear masks because of the .0001%! How dare you!

Well, I'm sorry your dad cannot take the vaccine. Sucks to be him.

 

[jman19]

Without people of her political persuasion, there'd probably be a few million more of 'em.

OP will be outraged about this any moment now.





Lol j/k.

 

[ondma]

If we're not close to the end game now, I'd like to know how people that are upset about this think how CDC got it wrong and what their metrics would be.

Overall I think the CDC has been pretty good throughout the pandemic and as the science evolved.

They got it wrong simply because they either gave in to political pressure or made the most naïve assumption in the history of mankind, i.e. that non-vaccinated people are going to wear masks and not lie about their immunization status. And if this were a logical strategy, why did they keep the mask mandate in effect for health care settings and public transportation?

 

[Zorba]

Which is why CDC dropped the mask mandate recommendation. No reason to have a mandate if you have a readily available option to avoid a potentially fatal disease and overall vaccination rate is high (and disease burden falling to low levels.)

Got a link to where the CDC "dropped the mask mandate?" First, I'm not aware of any CDC mandate ever on masking, second they only said fully vaccinated people were safe to go without. So your entire point is false.

 

[Zorba]

B-B-B-But but but but what about my random one in a billion half brother cousin that is vulnerable and can't take the vaccine?! Everyone should still wear masks because of the .0001%! How dare you!

Nevermind the roughly 15% of the population that is ineligible.

Also CDC never said anti-vax assholes could go without masks.

 

[Paratus]

Even though I’m vaccinated I’m still wearing my mask when I go out. It’s effectively an N99 so it protects me as well as others. It also helps me own the ‘cons.

 

[Bitek]

Got a link to where the CDC "dropped the mask mandate?" First, I'm not aware of any CDC mandate ever on masking, second they only said fully vaccinated people were safe to go without. So your entire point is false.

To be more precise, yes, the CDC changed that recommendations on masking and distancing for fully vaccinated people.

They don't make law, but CDC recommendations can form the basis of regulations and laws at the federal, state and local levels. In this case, states which adopted the recommendations and enforced by law are also changing. OSHA is expected to update their guidances accordingly.

 

[Bitek]

They got it wrong simply because they either gave in to political pressure or made the most naïve assumption in the history of mankind, i.e. that non-vaccinated people are going to wear masks and not lie about their immunization status. And if this were a logical strategy, why did they keep the mask mandate in effect for health care settings and public transportation?

I would be careful saying it's only due to political pressure. It's effectively making the same argument the Trumpers were making in 2020, that the CDC and institutions are political actors and not following the best science.

Back then it was a plot against Trump reelection, and China something something, socialism, blah blah.

Is the left is going to be the party of science, then we should listen to the science and scientists.

I think they are taking a risk based approach. Goal is not zero transmission. The goal was to "flatten" the curve, not eliminate it. That's the trend you tend to see between states, but the area under the curve is similar.

I think they are well aware of human nature and impact of their recommendations, and didn't do this thoughtlessly.

Risk based also means we can limit masking to the high risk areas. Crowded transportation (buses, subways, trains) with poor opportunity for other controls. Medical settings where by nature very close contact with often ill patients/unknown samples is commonplace. Also add in LTC facilities.

Costco is not high risk. Risk profile is already low, and masks offer little additive value based on current conditions.

If you think this is wrong, what is your prediction that will happen? Are we going to see overflowing morgues over the summer? What is the science that CDC missed? When will demasking be safe? What's your metric?

 

[Zorba]

To be more precise, yes, the CDC changed that recommendations on masking and distancing for fully vaccinated people.

They don't make law, but CDC recommendations can form the basis of regulations and laws at the federal, state and local levels. In this case, states which adopted the recommendations and enforced by law are also changing. OSHA is expected to update their guidances accordingly.

They still didn't change anything except distanced outside for unvaccinated people. So your original point made no sense, because the CDC never said "Well there is a vaccine, everyone can ditch the mask."

 

[Zorba]

I would be careful saying it's only due to political pressure. It's effectively making the same argument the Trumpers were making in 2020, that the CDC and institutions are political actors and not following the best science.

Back then it was a plot against Trump reelection, and China something something, socialism, blah blah.

Is the left is going to be the party of science, then we should listen to the science and scientists.

I think they are taking a risk based approach. Goal is not zero transmission. The goal was to "flatten" the curve, not eliminate it. That's the trend you tend to see between states, but the area under the curve is similar.

I think they are well aware of human nature and impact of their recommendations, and didn't do this thoughtlessly.

Risk based also means we can limit masking to the high risk areas. Crowded transportation (buses, subways, trains) with poor opportunity for other controls. Medical settings where by nature very close contact with often ill patients is commonplace. Also add in LTC facilities.

Costco is not high risk. Risk profile is already low, and masks offer little additive value based on current conditions.

If you think this is wrong, what is your prediction that will happen? Are we going to see overflowing morgues over the summer? What is the science that CDC missed? When will demasking be safe? What's your metric?

CDC has shown this year that the political appointees need to go, and they should be ran by career civil servants. No one is following their recommendation, if they thought it was safe for 100% masklessness they would've said so. They still say masks should be worn by unvaxxed people, but politicians and corporations don't want to upset the nutters so that is being ignored.

 

[zinfamous]

without reading the OP....because, why?....is it safe to assume that OP is here bitching and drooling about democrats, women, and possibly brown people and mythical anti-fa, somehow deserving blame for turning mask-wearing into a political, tribal thing?

cute

 

[zinfamous]

Hey - Madison Cawthorn thinks the British would not have surrendered at Yorktown if Washington had been wearing a mask.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1395943087529201664

Madison Cawthorne might have been a useful human if he didn't sidetrack his nascent "military career" by injuring himself in a sport accident, and then basing his entire "political career" on stolen valor.

Fuck that subhuman garbage.

 

[ondma]

I would be careful saying it's only due to political pressure. It's effectively making the same argument the Trumpers were making in 2020, that the CDC and institutions are political actors and not following the best science.

Back then it was a plot against Trump reelection, and China something something, socialism, blah blah.

Is the left is going to be the party of science, then we should listen to the science and scientists.

I think they are taking a risk based approach. Goal is not zero transmission. The goal was to "flatten" the curve, not eliminate it. That's the trend you tend to see between states, but the area under the curve is similar.

I think they are well aware of human nature and impact of their recommendations, and didn't do this thoughtlessly.

Risk based also means we can limit masking to the high risk areas. Crowded transportation (buses, subways, trains) with poor opportunity for other controls. Medical settings where by nature very close contact with often ill patients is commonplace. Also add in LTC facilities.

Costco is not high risk. Risk profile is already low, and masks offer little additive value based on current conditions.

If you think this is wrong, what is your prediction that will happen? Are we going to see overflowing morgues over the summer? What is the science that CDC missed? When will demasking be safe? What's your metric?

Come on. Are you really trying to claim the CDC isnt influenced by politics? I dont have the exact quote, but I think even Fauci admitted as much, saying they were more free to make statements under the Biden administration. (BTW, I didnt say the decision was driven only by politics, I stated it as one possible influencer.)

Costco may not be high risk (your claim, I will accept it for the sake of argument), but what about an indoor sporting event or concert with thousands of people in close proximity, not wearing masks? As I understand the CDC guidelines, this is permitted, since all the non-vaccinated people are going to voluntarily mask up (/s). Do you think that is safe? How about a crowded movie theater?

As far as what I would like to see before lifting the mask mandate, I already stated that in another post.

 

[Zorba]

Come on. Are you really trying to claim the CDC isnt influenced by politics? I dont have the exact quote, but I think even Fauci admitted as much, saying they were more free to make statements under the Biden administration. (BTW, I didnt say the decision was driven only by politics, I stated it as one possible influencer.)

Costco may not be high risk (your claim, I will accept it for the sake of argument), but what about an indoor sporting event or concert with thousands of people in close proximity, not wearing masks? As I understand the CDC guidelines, this is permitted, since all the non-vaccinated people are going to voluntarily mask up (/s). Do you think that is safe? How about a crowded movie theater?

As far as what I would like to see before lifting the mask mandate, I already stated that in another post.

Disney World is already back to telling people in indoor ride pre-shows to "fill all available space." For the moment they are still requiring masks indoors, but I doubt that'll last long and I'm sure the nutters will volunteerly wear a mask to protect the kids that can't be vaxxed and because the CDC said to.

 

[Bitek]

They still didn't change anything except distanced outside for unvaccinated people. So your original point made no sense, because the CDC never said "Well there is a vaccine, everyone can ditch the mask."

Not everyone, fully vaccinated.
They no longer need to distance or mask in most situations.

I don't understand the conflict here.

If you haven't been vaccinated, then your personal risk is higher, and you should follow what measures you have available to you, inferior they may be.

 

[Zorba]

Which is why CDC dropped the mask mandate recommendation. No reason to have a mandate if you have a readily available option to avoid a potentially fatal disease and overall vaccination rate is high (and disease burden falling to low levels.)

Not everyone, fully vaccinated.
They no longer need to distance or mask in most situations.

I don't understand the conflict here.

If you haven't been vaccinated, then your personal risk is higher, and you should follow what measures you have available to you, inferior they may be.

So you admit the original post I responded to was wrong? CDC never said "No reason to have a mandate if you have a readily available option to avoid a potentially fatal disease" and they never dropped the guidance for unvaxxed people.

Without some method of enforcing masks on the unvaxxed, it's impossible to follow the CDC guidelines without a general requirement.

Also vaccination rates are not high enough for herd immunity in any state.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Once again, Babylon Bee hits the nail on the head:

Do You Have To Wear A Mask? A Handy Flowchart

Mask or no mask? Vaccine or no vaccine? So many questions! Well, just two, really. But the government has made things very confusing with officials sending mixed signals about whether or not you need to wear a mask in different situations.

babylonbee.com

 

[theeedude]

Once again, Babylon Bee hits the nail on the head:

Do You Have To Wear A Mask? A Handy Flowchart

Mask or no mask? Vaccine or no vaccine? So many questions! Well, just two, really. But the government has made things very confusing with officials sending mixed signals about whether or not you need to wear a mask in different situations.

babylonbee.com

Is this just for COVID, or are you generally OK with being exposed to infectious diseases?

 

[SMOGZINN]

Once again, Babylon Bee hits the nail on the head:

Do You Have To Wear A Mask? A Handy Flowchart

Mask or no mask? Vaccine or no vaccine? So many questions! Well, just two, really. But the government has made things very confusing with officials sending mixed signals about whether or not you need to wear a mask in different situations.

babylonbee.com

I wonder why you don't hold this same logic for other things, like abortion.

 

[blackangst1]

Need multiple masks!

 

[Zorba]

I wonder why you don't hold this same logic for other things, like abortion.

Ever notice the people most likely to talk about how we shouldn't be afraid of COVID are the same people that conceal carry and leave loaded guns around their house?

 

[ultimatebob]

Fucking moron, the ridiculus far far far left you always come here to complain about IS NOT HERE. NOT HERE. *idiot*.

Wow... so much for the "No personal attacks" rule.

 

[Zorba]

Wow... so much for the "No personal attacks" rule.

Snowflake much?