We survived Bush Jr. We'll survive Trump

[hal2kilo]

You got what you wanted, a GOP Congress with Trump president. No excuse to blame the Democrats for what happens starting in January. Now it's for you to "Make America Great Again" and for me to point and laugh when you fail.

I've always found it more fun on the loosing side at least for commenting in forums. Yep, can't wait for congress to start hearings on the Trump U frauds. So when has that been scheduled for...? Never going to happen! but.. bu...

 

[hal2kilo]

The problem started nearly 20 years ago...people are not happy with the status quo.

Surprise! surprise! surprise! Welcome back.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

They made a mistake going with hillary and what they did to sanders. Trump is a man, by default he has the advantage. People think Hillary is a witch and evil but don't realize its sexist ideas that are at the root of those thoughts. Trump got away with everything Hillary is accused of and lies to people's faces with things we know are not true. But hes a man. America was not ready, at least not for that kind of female president. Hillary had too much baggage working against her. She's guilty even though shes not even accused of any crimes. She must go to prison with no criminal charges brought against her. etc.

She had been accused of crimes as early as First Lady of Arkansas, and was married to a man that had also been accused of many things.

Of course we will survive but that doesn't mean there won't be casualties.

Something no one is talking about is how a trump presidency has now legitimized the alt right movement. The Republican party is dead and the alt right has now taken it over.

Is there a single Republican candidate in the House or Senate that belongs to the alt-right?

 

[NostaSeronx]

Executive Order #1 of Trump: All women are required to wear tiny miniskirts. Unless, they are clearly a 6 out of 10 and lower.

 

[R0H1T]

Yeah except it didn't go down all that well for the rest of the world, with the WOT & what not, did it

 

[ivwshane]

She had been accused of crimes as early as First Lady of Arkansas, and was married to a man that had also been accused of many things.



Is there a single Republican candidate in the House or Senate that belongs to the alt-right?

I'm sure there are but if you think that's a requirement for my post then you clearly didn't get my point. Do I need to show you who was helping run trumps campaign? Do I need to provide quotes from trump repeating alt right talking points? Do I need to show you posts from alt right posters who have adamantly supported trump?

 

[NostaSeronx]

I'm sure there are but if you think that's a requirement for my post then you clearly didn't get my point. Do I need to show you who was helping run trumps campaign? Do I need to provide quotes from trump repeating alt right talking points? Do I need to show you posts from alt right posters who have adamantly supported trump?

Yes.

 

[hal2kilo]

Supreme courts picks are the greatest loss and it will last for decades. I'll be dead before this ever gets fixed. Sorry kids.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I'm sure there are but if you think that's a requirement for my post then you clearly didn't get my point. Do I need to show you who was helping run trumps campaign? Do I need to provide quotes from trump repeating alt right talking points? Do I need to show you posts from alt right posters who have adamantly supported trump?

This is roughly on par with a post that might go something like "Hillary Clinton admired Saul Alinsky and Obama's pastor Jememiah Wright was a community organizer too, there are far-left posters that like HRC and Obama, the Democratic party is dead and has been taken over by neo-Marxist community organizers".

 

[Jhhnn]

IMO, our costs are rising and wages are not following.
This creates discontent like we have not seen in a long time.

How do you suppose Trump & a Repub Congress will change that for the better?

 

[theeedude]

You fronted a corporatist shill and a hawk who is not Bill Clinton nor Obama nor the greatest statesperson in history. You voted as you saw fit and that is your right. Just don't blame others for your actions and choices. You could have put up anyone and you picked her. That you cannot accept the consequences of your actions matters not. I could not vote for your sham nor Trump and that you offered a less stinkier version of fecal matter was your fault. I voted for a human being, my dog. Besides my state went all Clinton so nothing I could have done made no difference.
I did vote for the person who could have won, Bernie, as the statistics showed but you had to have "not Bill" and "not Obama".
Now you are going to sit back and blame me and Trump and everyone else and do absolutely no critical introspection, take no ownership? That's just what the Bush people did with Iraq. They circled the wagons and learned nothing. If that's how you wish to be, that is your right, but you earned what is coming by lack of judgement and by "you" I mean the Democratic party as a whole.
But I don't share your Chicken Little attitude. Maybe enough will actually stop to think how to make things better for everyone, minority or not.
We'll see.

I like Hillary Clinton. I am proud to have voted for her. You can argue she is a corporatist, fine, I work for a corporation, we design things all over the world, build things all over the world, and sell them all over the world. Us engineers get paid great salaries and benefits, because we create a lot of value in a competitive market. I guess that makes me an elitist, but I don't want someone who is going to destroy my way of life. Sanders or Trump. I don't want a Socialist or a Fascist demagogue running the show. I like the middle road of Clinton and Obama.
It's not Bill Clinton's SCOTUS nominees who voted for Citizens United and created this system. And with Trump, Citizens United will be expanded to invent new "rights" that corporations all of the sudden have, and this country will be far more corporatist and cronyist than it ever would have been under Clinton.
But that's all hypothetical. What's not hypothetical is that those who voted for Trump are going to get what they voted for, I don't want to hear excuses that it's Democrats fault when GOP is running the show.

 

[Maverick177]

We barely survive Obummer, we'd at least grow under DJT.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I like Hillary Clinton. I am proud to have voted for her. You can argue she is a corporatist, fine, I work for a corporation, we design things all over the world, build things all over the world, and sell them all over the world. Us engineers get paid great salaries and benefits, because we create a lot of value in a competitive market. I guess that makes me an elitist, but I don't want someone who is going to destroy my way of life. Sanders or Trump. I don't want a Socialist or a Fascist demagogue running the show. I like the middle road of Clinton and Obama.
It's not Bill Clinton's SCOTUS nominees who voted for Citizens United and created this system. And with Trump, Citizens United will be expanded to invent new "rights" that corporations all of the sudden have, and this country will be far more corporatist and cronyist than it ever would have been under Clinton.
But that's all hypothetical. What's not hypothetical is that those who voted for Trump are going to get what they voted for, I don't want to hear excuses that it's Democrats fault when GOP is running the show.

It's fine that you voted as you did, however you did have choices that were not Bernie nor Hillary. Main stream people that were discarded because of agendas. It was decided that Hillary was to be the candidate and by hook or crook it happened as witnessed by the DNC actions. Dishonest manipulation does not lead to confidence in the integrity of a party or candidate. Now you could at this point insert "but what about Trump and the Reps?". I have no respect for them and so I did not vote for Trump either.

Yes, more people voted for him than her, but would it have done harm to pick someone with less obligation for their wealth?

You support corporations, and we need them but the divide between the haves and haves not is at an untenable point that Hillary has benefited from. If you had picked someone who wasn't so obviously one of those the Dems complain about, someone who wasn't the second most disliked candidate then we would not be having this conversation.

Two poor choices, but like in the movie "Two men enter, one man leaves", even if one is a woman.

 

[HomerJS]

We barely survive Obummer, we'd at least grow under DJT.

Yeah that turning around losing 800K jobs/month was a real buzzkill

 

[JEDI]

We barely survive Obummer, we'd at least grow under DJT.

grow poorer you mean.

you think Trump will change the system that made him rich and allows him to grab pussy w/o consent whenever he wants?

 

[Jaskalas]

How do you suppose Trump & a Repub Congress will change that for the better?

Wait, you think that mattered to voters? The details?
It's anti establishment feeling and Trump stole that air.
Sanders was strong due to the same rebellion.

When Republicans don't fix it, the discontent will only grow. The pot is still boiling in 2020 and 2024.

 

[Maverick177]

Yeah that turning around losing 800K jobs/month was a real buzzkill

grow poorer you mean.

you think Trump will change the system that made him rich and allows him to grab pussy w/o consent whenever he wants?

Do you feel like you are living your life?

 

[Mai72]

IMO, this is going to be a very difficult 4 years for the poor and middle class.

1) Obamacare is going to be the first to go. That means 20m plus who depend on health coverage aren't going to have it. I work at a special needs school in NJ. Many of my students have disabilities that are covered for free by the government. With Trump in office many of the services they rely on are going to be assaulted.

2) 35% Tariff on all imports. Hope you're doing well financially, because if this goes thru you're goibg to be paying much much more for your favorite products.

3) The middle class is going to fall further behind. Most of the jobs Trump has said he's going to bring back are from the past. If it's not cheap labor, automation will put an end to this discussion. If he were to bring back manufacturing jobs, are the American people willing to pay double/triple for American made products? Let's be real.

4) Global warming is a huge issue. If he reverse all of the positive steps we've made under the Obama administration China will reneg on their promise to reduce global emissions.

This is just the start. The dollar will probably be crushed as we bar ourselves from the rest of the world.

 

[Jhhnn]

IMO, this is going to be a very difficult 4 years for the poor and middle class.

1) Obamacare is going to be the first to go. That means 20m plus who depend on health coverage aren't going to have it. I work at a special needs school in NJ. Many of my students have disabilities that are covered for free by the government. With Trump in office many of the services they rely on are going to be assaulted.

2) 35% Tariff on all imports. Hope you're doing well financially, because if this goes thru you're goibg to be paying much much more for your favorite products.

3) The middle class is going to fall further behind. Most of the jobs Trump has said he's going to bring back are from the past. If it's not cheap labor, automation will put an end to this discussion. If he were to bring back manufacturing jobs, are the American people willing to pay double/triple for American made products? Let's be real.

4) Global warming is a huge issue. If he reverse all of the positive steps we've made under the Obama administration China will reneg on their promise to reduce global emissions.

This is just the start. The dollar will probably be crushed as we bar ourselves from the rest of the world.

Which explains why you were so negative about Clinton, obviously.

 

[Jhhnn]

Wait, you think that mattered to voters? The details?
It's anti establishment feeling and Trump stole that air.
Sanders was strong due to the same rebellion.

When Republicans don't fix it, the discontent will only grow. The pot is still boiling in 2020 and 2024.

I get that. OTOH, it's kinda like being drunk, isn't it?

Expect conservative deficit scolds to STFU in the face of top tier tax cuts causing deficits. Expect inequality & the inherent financial instability to increase. Expect that the only satisfaction Trump's America will get to be assertion of straight white male privilege, even if it turns more of America into an economic backwater (like where they live) & makes them poorer in the process. If they can diminish the quality of urban life in the process it'll just prove to them that they've been right all along.

Only when & if it really goes to Hell will they be open to an epiphany, to examining the way their own heads work. We nearly had that in 2009 & we may yet achieve it again rather shortly.

 

[momeNt]

I get that. OTOH, it's kinda like being drunk, isn't it?

Expect conservative deficit scolds to STFU in the face of top tier tax cuts causing deficits. Expect inequality & the inherent financial instability to increase. Expect that the only satisfaction Trump's America will get to be assertion of straight white male privilege, even if it turns more of America into an economic backwater (like where they live) & makes them poorer in the process. If they can diminish the quality of urban life in the process it'll just prove to them that they've been right all along.

Only when & if it really goes to Hell will they be open to an epiphany, to examining the way their own heads work. We nearly had that in 2009 & we may yet achieve it again rather shortly.

I've already seen that today. White men had cut the line in Starbucks, and while ordering asked to see one of the baristas papers. It was horrifying.

 

[Jhhnn]

I've already seen that today. White men had cut the line in Starbucks, and while ordering asked to see one of the baristas papers. It was horrifying.

As if any of those assholes actually wants that job. Expect worse out in the hinterlands. Never mind that throwing out the illegals will diminish demand & act as a drag on the economy. They're on a mission from God, to Make America White Again.

 

[Thump553]

GWB was definitely the worst president in my lifetime, exceeding Nixon by a long shot. Trump is going to make GWB look like a Lincoln or Washington.

Historians are going to mark November 8, 2016 as the date the American Century ended. Within a few years our currency will no longer be the world standard. The USA will be mired down in probably several new wars (pray not nuclear) caused by Trump's thin skin and enormous ego. The implicit constitutionally recognized right to privacy will be gone along with Roe v. Wade within a year. Inflation will start to ramp up then caused by the Trump tax giveaways, loss of US currency as world standard and rampart military spending. Europe, especially Eastern European countries, will be under intense pressure from an expansionist Russia which Trump will do nothing to stop.

In the longer term (5-15 years out) Social Security, Medicare, etc. will be busted. As someone already mentioned Obamacare will be repealed (and NOT replaced) probably by next spring.

The Trump family will actually become fabulously wealthy, along with certain friends.

Nuclear proliferation will abound-you think countries like Saudi Arabia, Korea, etc are going to continue to rely on the USA to insure their existence? The Iran agreement is now dead and Iran will ramp up its weapon production to counter the Saudi influence. If you are thinking of any trips to the Holy Land, to see the pyramids, or anywhere else in the Mid East you better get that vacation done in the next few weeks.

China will step into the vacuum left by the USA and will be the defacto world leader. The USA will be an oversize copy of the old British Empire in decline. A very large debtor nation where both capital and most good jobs have long since fled.

And the USA middle class, surprise surprise, will find out they have really fucked themselves and their future generations over.

France will follow our example, to be led by their neo-fascist. Even stable countries like Germany and Japan could also go bat shit crazy. The world is going to be much more dangerous in the near future.

And that's the upside. If Trump plays into his Caesar fantasies, look out world.

We are screwed, and screwed good, and have no one to blame but our own stupid selves. It's hard to believe that the USA descended so far and so fast from my parent's generation, the Greatest Generation.

If you call that surviving, you are welcome to it. Being ruled by a crazy uncle is not a formula for success.

 

[raasco]

I never understood the "Us" vs "Them" mentality. A smart person votes the candidate, not the party, but I guess that takes research.

 

[theeedude]

It's fine that you voted as you did, however you did have choices that were not Bernie nor Hillary. Main stream people that were discarded because of agendas. It was decided that Hillary was to be the candidate and by hook or crook it happened as witnessed by the DNC actions. Dishonest manipulation does not lead to confidence in the integrity of a party or candidate. Now you could at this point insert "but what about Trump and the Reps?". I have no respect for them and so I did not vote for Trump either.
Yes, more people voted for him than her, but would it have done harm to pick someone with less obligation for their wealth?
You support corporations, and we need them but the divide between the haves and haves not is at an untenable point that Hillary has benefited from. If you had picked someone who wasn't so obviously one of those the Dems complain about, someone who wasn't the second most disliked candidate then we would not be having this conversation.
Two poor choices, but like in the movie "Two men enter, one man leaves", even if one is a woman.

It wasn't two poor choices. It was one of the most qualified and prepared people to ever run for President and Donald Trump.
I don't think having a Socialist demagogue vs Fascist demagogue was the election US needed. Status quo is steadily improving economy and decreasing unemployment, it would not be right to not have that on the ballot, and only have two types of disruption. I wish Biden ran, but he decided not to.
BTW, if Hillary was the corporatist of the two, why are Wall Street, Big Pharma, Private Prisons, and other rent-seeker stocks rallying today?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It wasn't two poor choices. It was one of the most qualified and prepared people to ever run for President and Donald Trump.
I don't think having a Socialist demagogue vs Fascist demagogue was the election US needed. Status quo is steadily improving economy and decreasing unemployment, it would not be right to not have that on the ballot, and only have two types of disruption. I wish Biden ran, but he decided not to.
BTW, if Hillary was the corporatist of the two, why are Wall Street, Big Pharma, Private Prisons, and other rent-seeker stocks rallying today?

You offer a false choice. Trump is for his purse and if others make money he has no problem with it. Hillary was likewise acceptable and indeed directly profited. Both gained while most others lost. Nothing binary about this at all. Likewise with Hillary being a hawk. We don't know about Trump, but she certainly has a neocon streak to her. If you found Cheney acceptable then she would suffice. I'm not sure about Trump in this regard. Also remember you had people who were more favored over Trump early on besides Bernie.

At this point I'm curious how this plays out, but I'm not running in circles screaming and shouting. Wouldn't have done it with Hillary either. If she had won it would be for similar reasons Trump did. People were not happy overall with their choices and so they had no one to vote for, just against.