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We owe oldest Americans an apology

moshquerade

No Lifer
Agree or disagree?

updated 10:30 a.m. EDT, Sun March 15, 2009

Commentary: We owe oldest Americans an apology


(CNN) -- As the country frets about extricating itself from the financial mess, there is one group of Americans to whom the rest of us owe the most sincere words of apology.

That group consists of the oldest of our fellow citizens -- the men and women who went through the Great Depression when they were young, who fought and endured World War II when they were just a little older, and who had hoped for a sense of peace and tranquility in their final years on this earth.

They don't deserve what they are going through. You hear it again and again from money experts: Take the long view of the economy. If you don't need cash from your stock market accounts in the next five to 10 years, leave it in there. Time will heal our current woes -- the economy, even when it's in tatters, runs in cycles. Just wait it out and be patient. Especially young people -- fiscal stability will arrive again in your lifetime. You'll see.


Nice words. Yet they leave out that one group of people -- the people who have a right to be terrified when they are told the economy will only be brutal in the short term. They leave out the people to whom the short term is all they have: our parents. Our grandparents. The men and women who never should have had to worry about their personal security again.

It's never wise to generalize, yet it is safe to say that, as a group, the men and women who endured the Depression and World War II played it straight when it came to putting their trust in financial institutions. They didn't try to game the system; they didn't believe in esoteric money schemes. As a group, they were cautious, because the two defining national events of their lives taught them that you can never really count on anything. They watched their own parents suffer during the Depression, they went overseas for years on end when our nation asked them to save the world, and when they came home, to the prosperity of the Eisenhower years, they crossed their fingers and hoped the good times were not an illusion.

The mistakes and tricks and reckless gambles of the supposedly sophisticated masters of Wall Street have wounded these men and women, many of whom, before the last year, had never even heard the names of the men who ran the biggest investment banks and brokerage firms. Which is why what those oldest Americans are going through is so unfair. Once more, in a lifetime that has been filled with sacrifices, they are having to pay the terrible price for decisions in which they had no say.

For a while, after Tom Brokaw's "The Greatest Generation" focused belated attention on the quietly heroic lives of our parents and grandparents, it finally seemed that the oldest Americans were being allowed to take a victory lap. One of the points Brokaw made was that, for all the pain those men and women lived through, they seldom complained. They just soldiered on.

That appeared to be the elegiac theme of their final chapter: a warm acknowledgment by us, to whom they gave a better world, that we understood and honored their steadfastness -- that we appreciated and were moved by the uncomplaining way they had made it through their hardest years.

We didn't realize that they would be asked to do it again, in 2009 -- we didn't realize that our parents and grandparents, the vestiges of their retirement income suddenly diminished and threatened, would be asked once more to stoically accept hardships they had done nothing to bring upon themselves.

Think of the disdain they must feel for the Wall Street titans who have hurt them. When they hear about a brokerage executive who spends $1,400 on a wastebasket, their first thought undoubtedly is not that the man has taken advantage of his shareholders, or of the federal government. Their first thought -- remember, these men and women were children of the Depression -- is that the man must be a fool, a complete and utter sucker, to pay someone $1,400 for such an item. If you grew up having nothing, your contempt for such an idiotic expenditure is just about absolute. And you wonder about a society in which a person who would spend money that way is expected to prudently handle the money of others.

All that the oldest Americans asked for, in their final years, is a sense of safety, of stability. Twice in the nation's history, they knew what it was like to go to sleep night after night with their stomachs knotted in fear. What we as a country owed them was nights, at the end, when they never again had to feel that dread in the darkness.

Now they are feeling it, and there is nothing that we -- their sons and daughters, their grandsons and granddaughters -- can do to convince them that their fear in the night is groundless. What they are being forced to go through now is -- in the most elemental sense of this word -- a shame. I hope they know how sorry we are.
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When you are near retirement, you shouldnt have your money in anything too aggressive anymore anyway. That is what 20's-40's are for.
 
My in-laws got pretty f'ed with their 401k's.

They're in their 60's and it's really caused them to have to rethink their retirement plans.

Prior to the housing bubble bust they planned to sell their home and use that money and their pensions and 401k's to retire.

Now they don't know wtf to do.

I feel bad for them as they don't have the years left in them to just keep working and wait it out.
 
My grandparents grew up in the 30's during the depression. They're going to be alot better off this time around. My grandfather worked extremely hard as a coal miner and heavy equipment operator and retired with a decent pension and solid savings. During their retirement, they've had no money in the stock market, so all of this mess isn't going to affect them much.

They've told me about friends who have lost alot of their savings that were invested in the market. I don't understand why someone in their 70's would have anything in the market that they can't afford to lose.
 
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
When you are near retirement, you shouldnt have your money in anything too aggressive anymore anyway. That is what 20's-40's are for.

This

My grandmother owes ME an apology for sending me so many obnoxious e-mail forwards.
 
Disagree.

A) I, and the vast majority of the collective 'we', had no part in what's happening now and we are just as much victims as they are. That our timelines are different (i.e., we're younger) is nothing to apologize for.

B) If the current market conditions are terrorizing their retirement security, well, a pessimist would say that maybe they didn't plan too well for retirement and have themselves to blame.

C) They perpetrated their fair share of atrocities upon their descendants (e.g., Supplemental Security Insurance)

D) Aren't a lot of the high-level executives responsible for this mess the age of our parents and grandparents?!? So, you COULD argue that their generation is doing it to themselves!
 
How about those who voted to allow banks to lend to people with 0 down and poor credit say they are sorry.

How about the people who keep voting yes on bonds that will cripple future generations while they try to pay it back.

How about people who think the bail out was a good idea, without reading the small print. Without massive reform.

Some of us saw our current situation coming since 1996. We warned people about what the administration was doing. We even had a small flicker of hope when it changed over in 2000 but no, the damage was too deep. Can?t stop an avalanche. Now we all get to ride it out.

That being said my grandma?s Social security is doing fine and her 401k is fine also she invested conservatively. You shouldn?t have things in aggressive accounts when you get older.

So I guess yes I agree, but those who are responsible should apologize.

I feel sorry for the older people because they are wiser and they see the stupid decisions the younger generations have made. They could say they are to blame but that does not change anything. It?s like every few generations a generation has to fall on its face hard to learn its lessons. Then we will be fine for a while? Wonder when this will happen again 2040? 2050?
 
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
When you are near retirement, you shouldnt have your money in anything too aggressive anymore anyway. That is what 20's-40's are for.

This. I'm wondering if the writer of this article is aware of his math. He talks about the people that lived during the Great Depression and WWII. Well, if you lived during the Great Depression and WWII, you are well into your 80s by now or older. For those fortunate enough to live that long, you shouldn't be riding the stock market.

Hell, my Dad is going to retire in the next year or so and he moved all his retirement money into secure, stable investments that aren't tied into the stock market for this very reason.
 
Why should I apologize to someone who is so close to retirement that they should have been all cash or bonds and not in the market? Oh, that's right, their home value was part of their retirement plan. Well, I put over 30% down on my house, so you can look to someother jackass for an apology on that market getting fcked.

If we need to apologize to anyone, it is our kids who will pay for this "recovery" fiasco.
 
95% of the people that this article is addressing have already passed away. The 5% that are still alive probably don't much in the stock market anyway so they don't care.

My mother will be celebrating her 85th B'day in a couple of months, and she is very concerned about the economy as most people are, but in terms of savings it will not affect her.
 
Originally posted by: leftyman
At least they are getting their social security, I doubt I will.

These were my thoughts too. And pensions, where are they nowadays? Non-existent.
How about full benefits upon retiring, there's another dinosaur that older Americans may have benefited from and is now extinct.
 
An apology would hardly suffice.

These greedy SOBs are so insulated from the lives of the average person, they don't even think they did anything wrong. They don't feel disgraced in the least. They live lives based on "get what you can, when you can" and if things go sour, oh well. They don't think about the lives of the people who lost money. They didn't feel any responsibility to act ethically and prudently. They do not feel shame.

I'm embarrassed for my country to see AIG trying to defend paying bonuses to the people who ruined everything by saying the bonuses are contracturally guaranteed. If these people were ethical, they would simply refuse the bonuses as they certainly did nothing to earn them. But they won't, they'll demand their bonuses or sue to get them.

It's a damn shame the generation which did sacrifice, which did live within their means, which did look out for each other has to take it on the chin now due to unbridled greed and selfishness on the part of those in positions of power. I know two families who have done everything "right" who now see their remaining retirement years becoming pretty lean when they should have been comfortable. The money they used to give to support single mothers get their cars repaired, to fund youth athletic programs and to send kids to summer camp won't be there any more.

When we see how vast and deep the scamming was, we'll be shocked, but we won't do anything about it. We'll keep re-electing the same people as always, we won't get involved, and we won't think about it once any more once we see who won on American Idol this week. Gimme the remote, then let me watch some youtube vids and pr0n, get me out of jury duty and keep gas prices under $3... there's nothing wrong with America. Let someone else do something.

Embarrassed for my country.. that's how I feel. It's not a good feeling.
 
All I know is that my grandparents and great aunts/uncles/etc. never took/take credit out for anything. They squirreled away all of their cash and when they wanted to buy something they would just write a check.

My grandparents bought their retirement home with cash. It's a nice lake house and they didn't move in until their mid 70s but that's because they wanted to just write a check for it. This is why I'm somewhat ashamed of where we are right now with the whole housing mess.
 
Originally posted by: ducci
I personally think we owe our grandchildren an apology more than our grandparents.

Why is that? The oldest people alive now are the ones suffering NOW. Our grandchildren may or may not be.
 
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