We owe oldest Americans an apology

[yllus]

Oh please. I'll feel like making an apology when they issue ten apologies first for all the bullshit war games they played for most of their lives. It's the very pinnacle of hypocrisy to pin the world being screwy on us now.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: yllus
Oh please. I'll feel like making an apology when they issue ten apologies first for all the bullshit war games they played for most of their lives. It's the very pinnacle of hypocrisy to pin the world being screwy on us now.

WWII ?
Korea ?
Vietnam ?

My father and uncles that went and never came back thank you for your attitude I'm sure.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: yllus
Oh please. I'll feel like making an apology when they issue ten apologies first for all the bullshit war games they played for most of their lives. It's the very pinnacle of hypocrisy to pin the world being screwy on us now.

WWII ?
Korea ?
Vietnam ?

My father and uncles that went and never came back thank you for your attitude I'm sure.

No offense, but I don't want or need their thanks. You don't get commended for suiting up as a firefighter when it's you who originally sparked the blaze.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: yllus
Oh please. I'll feel like making an apology when they issue ten apologies first for all the bullshit war games they played for most of their lives. It's the very pinnacle of hypocrisy to pin the world being screwy on us now.

WWII ?
Korea ?
Vietnam ?

My father and uncles that went and never came back thank you for your attitude I'm sure.

No offense, but I don't want or need their thanks. You don't get commended for suiting up as a firefighter when it's you who originally sparked the blaze.

You are one sad individual. Really should look into where all that hate is coming from before it eats you up inside.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: yllus
Oh please. I'll feel like making an apology when they issue ten apologies first for all the bullshit war games they played for most of their lives. It's the very pinnacle of hypocrisy to pin the world being screwy on us now.

WWII ?
Korea ?
Vietnam ?

My father and uncles that went and never came back thank you for your attitude I'm sure.

No offense, but I don't want or need their thanks. You don't get commended for suiting up as a firefighter when it's you who originally sparked the blaze.

You are one sad individual. Really should look into where all that hate is coming from before it eats you up inside.

And what is it I hate, exactly? War? Hypocrisy? Attempts to win arguments by appealing to emotion?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: yllus
Oh please. I'll feel like making an apology when they issue ten apologies first for all the bullshit war games they played for most of their lives. It's the very pinnacle of hypocrisy to pin the world being screwy on us now.

WWII ?
Korea ?
Vietnam ?

My father and uncles that went and never came back thank you for your attitude I'm sure.

No offense, but I don't want or need their thanks. You don't get commended for suiting up as a firefighter when it's you who originally sparked the blaze.

:roll:

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: yllus
Oh please. I'll feel like making an apology when they issue ten apologies first for all the bullshit war games they played for most of their lives. It's the very pinnacle of hypocrisy to pin the world being screwy on us now.

WWII ?
Korea ?
Vietnam ?

My father and uncles that went and never came back thank you for your attitude I'm sure.

No offense, but I don't want or need their thanks. You don't get commended for suiting up as a firefighter when it's you who originally sparked the blaze.

You are one sad individual. Really should look into where all that hate is coming from before it eats you up inside.

And what is it I hate, exactly? War? Hypocrisy? Attempts to win arguments by appealing to emotion?

Don't assume that because a very small percentage of the population makes the decisions that an entire population is to blame. If you want to condemn wars we fought , fine, condemn the people responsible. Not the people that gave their lives at the order of someone else.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: sactoking
C) They perpetrated their fair share of atrocities upon their descendants (e.g., Supplemental Security Insurance)

This. A huge chunk of the federal budget is already going to them. That should be apology enough.

When you sacrificed a large chunk of your generation to preserve the legacy of future generations, then you *may* have reason to feel that you owe no debt to those before you. See: WW2, Great Depression

I agree that we all aren't held accountable for what is currently happening, and that policies of the past do not work, or are even disastrous by today's economic standards.

But labeling a 50 year-old policy as an "atrocity" is naive and ill-informed, in the sense that it places little regard to the history in which such policies are born. Many of the these policies were instituted during that generation's time of crisis: great depression, war.

And they worked. And they worked for several decades. It can be argued that those who set the standard for the next generation, and who also fought and sacrificed for all following generations, really knew what the fuck they were doing. I think the "blame" lies more on the following generations for lounging idly by while the success of the past continued to age beyond its usefulness, assuming that what has worked since will continue to work.

My feeling is this: no generation can ever give the proper thanks that is owed to those who not only fought for our future, but who also set forth a solid social and economic framework to provide for themselves and their children. It was enough to carry over to us, but many of these policies should have been overhauled, perhaps, 2-3 decades ago?

It was those who came after who failed to learn from the mistakes of the past and sit comfortably on the previous successes that are to blame: Our generation and our parents--not all of us, of course, but a great many. now the greatest generation suffers, as will our children and our grand-children for our failure to adapt when necessary, for our self-importance and lack of personal responsibility. This concept is nothing new--what worked to great effect in the past will not always hold true in the future. We let our guard down. We got lazy.

It's quite shameful, really, to consider the debt that they paid and then to reward them with this.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: yllus
Oh please. I'll feel like making an apology when they issue ten apologies first for all the bullshit war games they played for most of their lives. It's the very pinnacle of hypocrisy to pin the world being screwy on us now.

WWII ?
Korea ?
Vietnam ?

My father and uncles that went and never came back thank you for your attitude I'm sure.

No offense, but I don't want or need their thanks. You don't get commended for suiting up as a firefighter when it's you who originally sparked the blaze.

Yeah, US soldiers and regular citizens started all of those wars :roll:

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: yllus
Oh please. I'll feel like making an apology when they issue ten apologies first for all the bullshit war games they played for most of their lives. It's the very pinnacle of hypocrisy to pin the world being screwy on us now.

WWII ?
Korea ?
Vietnam ?

My father and uncles that went and never came back thank you for your attitude I'm sure.

No offense, but I don't want or need their thanks. You don't get commended for suiting up as a firefighter when it's you who originally sparked the blaze.

You are one sad individual. Really should look into where all that hate is coming from before it eats you up inside.

And what is it I hate, exactly? War? Hypocrisy? Attempts to win arguments by appealing to emotion?

Don't assume that because a very small percentage of the population makes the decisions that an entire population is to blame. If you want to condemn wars we fought , fine, condemn the people responsible. Not the people that gave their lives at the order of someone else.

And a very small percentage of the population made the decisions that landed us in the current mess, which is about a thousandth as terrible as the ones the Greatest Generation stirred up. Why am I supposed to feel all apologetic?

Let me clue you in on something: I don't know who or what your father and uncles were or did. You brought them up - out of nowhere. For all I know your father was a war criminal who ordered his troops to firebomb civilians in Vietnam. The hell is the relevance of that, how was I supposed to have known what your family did in any of those wars, and why do you think it proves any sort of point?

Originally posted by: TallBill
Yeah, US soldiers and regular citizens started all of those wars :roll:

Mind quoting where I stated that?

 

[TallBill]

No offense, but I don't want or need their thanks. You don't get commended for suiting up as a firefighter when it's you who originally sparked the blaze.

firefighters : sparking blaze :: soldiers : starting wars

I know a few firefighters and none of them start fires. I also know a LOT of soldiers, and not a single one of them has been a part of a major military strategy/policy.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: TallBill

No offense, but I don't want or need their thanks. You don't get commended for suiting up as a firefighter when it's you who originally sparked the blaze.

firefighters : sparking blaze :: soldiers : starting wars

I know a few firefighters and none of them start fires. I also know a LOT of soldiers, and not a single one of them has been a part of a major military strategy/policy.

At the end of the day each voter of a nation carries the responsibility for his/her nations' actions. Before men were draftees, they were voters. What happened on their watch is a reflection of their decisions each of those people made - which is exactly how the logic of blaming the current generation for the current mess has been made.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: yllus


And a very small percentage of the population made the decisions that landed us in the current mess, which is about a thousandth as terrible as the ones the Greatest Generation stirred up. Why am I supposed to feel all apologetic?

Let me clue you in on something: I don't know who or what your father and uncles were or did. You brought them up - out of nowhere. For all I know your father was a war criminal who ordered his troops to firebomb civilians in Vietnam. The hell is the relevance of that, how was I supposed to have known what your family did in any of those wars, and why do you think it proves any sort of point?

You really don't get it ? You are serious ?
You are trying to blame an entire generation for something a few people did.

I brought up my family because of your insulting tone towards people that died to protect this country. The people that gave their lives deserve better than to be thought of as 'bullshit war games' . Your lack of respect for them is disgusting.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: yllus
Oh please. I'll feel like making an apology when they issue ten apologies first for all the bullshit war games they played for most of their lives. It's the very pinnacle of hypocrisy to pin the world being screwy on us now.

WWII ?
Korea ?
Vietnam ?

My father and uncles that went and never came back thank you for your attitude I'm sure.

No offense, but I don't want or need their thanks. You don't get commended for suiting up as a firefighter when it's you who originally sparked the blaze.

:roll:

x eleventy-billion.

what a worthless, entitled, burden to humanity mr. yllus must be.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: yllus


And a very small percentage of the population made the decisions that landed us in the current mess, which is about a thousandth as terrible as the ones the Greatest Generation stirred up. Why am I supposed to feel all apologetic?

Let me clue you in on something: I don't know who or what your father and uncles were or did. You brought them up - out of nowhere. For all I know your father was a war criminal who ordered his troops to firebomb civilians in Vietnam. The hell is the relevance of that, how was I supposed to have known what your family did in any of those wars, and why do you think it proves any sort of point?

You really don't get it ? You are serious ?
You are trying to blame an entire generation for something a few people did.

I brought up my family because of your insulting tone towards people that died to protect this country. The people that gave their lives deserve better than to be thought of as 'bullshit war games' . Your lack of respect for them is disgusting.

:thumbsup:

I'm a pretty liberal guy, but I also support prison for the brain-dead wastes of humanity--such as those who believe such claptrap.

 

[sactoking]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: sactoking
C) They perpetrated their fair share of atrocities upon their descendants (e.g., Supplemental Security Insurance)

This. A huge chunk of the federal budget is already going to them. That should be apology enough.

When you sacrificed a large chunk of your generation to preserve the legacy of future generations, then you *may* have reason to feel that you owe no debt to those before you. See: WW2, Great Depression

I agree that we all aren't held accountable for what is currently happening, and that policies of the past do not work, or are even disastrous by today's economic standards.

But labeling a 50 year-old policy as an "atrocity" is naive and ill-informed, in the sense that it places little regard to the history in which such policies are born. Many of the these policies were instituted during that generation's time of crisis: great depression, war.

And they worked. And they worked for several decades. It can be argued that those who set the standard for the next generation, and who also fought and sacrificed for all following generations, really knew what the fuck they were doing. I think the "blame" lies more on the following generations for lounging idly by while the success of the past continued to age beyond its usefulness, assuming that what has worked since will continue to work.

My feeling is this: no generation can ever give the proper thanks that is owed to those who not only fought for our future, but who also set forth a solid social and economic framework to provide for themselves and their children. It was enough to carry over to us, but many of these policies should have been overhauled, perhaps, 2-3 decades ago?

It was those who came after who failed to learn from the mistakes of the past and sit comfortably on the previous successes that are to blame: Our generation and our parents--not all of us, of course, but a great many. now the greatest generation suffers, as will our children and our grand-children for our failure to adapt when necessary, for our self-importance and lack of personal responsibility. This concept is nothing new--what worked to great effect in the past will not always hold true in the future. We let our guard down. We got lazy.

It's quite shameful, really, to consider the debt that they paid and then to reward them with this.

1) The 'atrocity' I specifically mentioned was and is just that. It was a poorly thought out plan. I know full well the context in which it was enacted. It sucked then and it sucks even harder now.

2) e.g. = for example. That was ONE thing we can pick a bone with. Why not add: WWII, Korea, Vietnam, the Manhattan project, The Bay of Pigs, the Cold War, countless genocides, etc. Those have all shaped the world in ways that the current youth are still struggling to deal with.

3) The poor efficacy of something like SSI is compounded by the fact that not only did the engineers foist it upon their descendants unwillingly, but they CONTINUE TO OPPOSE MEASURES TO CORRECT IT. The Baby Boomers had a shot, since they outnumbered their ancestors, but failed to mobilize to the polls. Now, my generation is facing the fact that we're stuck with this horrible program and there's nothing we can do about it. The Baby Boomers are entering the phase of their life in which they're MOST likely to vote, and even if the Gen X and Gen Y youth mobilize in full force and go to the polls in numbers never before seen, the simple fact is we're outnumbered by those who have a self-serving interest to maintain the status quo.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: yllus


And a very small percentage of the population made the decisions that landed us in the current mess, which is about a thousandth as terrible as the ones the Greatest Generation stirred up. Why am I supposed to feel all apologetic?

Let me clue you in on something: I don't know who or what your father and uncles were or did. You brought them up - out of nowhere. For all I know your father was a war criminal who ordered his troops to firebomb civilians in Vietnam. The hell is the relevance of that, how was I supposed to have known what your family did in any of those wars, and why do you think it proves any sort of point?

You really don't get it ? You are serious ?
You are trying to blame an entire generation for something a few people did.

I brought up my family because of your insulting tone towards people that died to protect this country. The people that gave their lives deserve better than to be thought of as 'bullshit war games' . Your lack of respect for them is disgusting.

No, it's you who clearly doesn't get it - which is actually rather funny. Here we are, getting lectured about how we've let down this wonderful generation for what a few people in ours did, yet I'm being admonished for doing the exact same thing to a generation that perpetrated crimes about a thousand times worse. Sarcasm really is a lost art.

You brought up your family because you think playing the emotion card automatically wins an argument. Big honking news flash: It doesn't. So don't act all aggrieved when people dismiss it for the pointless diversion that it is.

Originally posted by: zinfamous
I'm a pretty liberal guy, but I also support prison for the brain-dead wastes of humanity--such as those who believe such claptrap.

Haha, prison for not submitting to doublethink. You're even sillier than he is.

Trust me, you aren't "a pretty liberal guy".

 

[Exterous]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
When you are near retirement, you shouldnt have your money in anything too aggressive anymore anyway. That is what 20's-40's are for.

Hell, my Dad is going to retire in the next year or so and he moved all his retirement money into secure, stable investments that aren't tied into the stock market for this very reason.

Same with my dad. His retirement date didn't change at all because of all of this. If they are in trouble because they lost a lot of money in stocks or real estate that is no ones fault but their own

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: yllus


And a very small percentage of the population made the decisions that landed us in the current mess, which is about a thousandth as terrible as the ones the Greatest Generation stirred up. Why am I supposed to feel all apologetic?

Let me clue you in on something: I don't know who or what your father and uncles were or did. You brought them up - out of nowhere. For all I know your father was a war criminal who ordered his troops to firebomb civilians in Vietnam. The hell is the relevance of that, how was I supposed to have known what your family did in any of those wars, and why do you think it proves any sort of point?

You really don't get it ? You are serious ?
You are trying to blame an entire generation for something a few people did.

I brought up my family because of your insulting tone towards people that died to protect this country. The people that gave their lives deserve better than to be thought of as 'bullshit war games' . Your lack of respect for them is disgusting.

No, it's you who clearly doesn't get it - which is actually rather funny. Here we are, getting lectured about how we've let down this wonderful generation for what a few people in ours did, yet I'm being admonished for doing the exact same thing to a generation that perpetrated crimes about a thousand times worse. Sarcasm really is a lost art.

You brought up your family because you think playing the emotion card automatically wins an argument. Big honking news flash: It doesn't. So don't act all aggrieved when people dismiss it for the pointless diversion that it is.

So WWII is a crime now ?
Sarcasm has no place when discussing people that died for the country.

I brought up my family because you were insulting. You can't understand that soldiers don't get to pick their battles.

You are the one that brought 'bullshit war games' into the discussion, not I.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: GasX

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: GasX

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: ducci
I personally think we owe our grandchildren an apology more than our grandparents.

Why? 😕 Explain.

Guess who gets to pay the Chinese off for the trillion dollars worth of T-bills they own?

I'll bite. Who? And how do you know this?

Me, you and every taxpayer from here to eternity. I know this because that is how debt works and we have a bunch of assholes in Washington with the collective fiscal prudence of a crack addict on gubment check day.

We've had debt for quite awhile now. Until I can't buy a loaf of bread for an affordable price I'm not going to worry about it. You shouldn't either unless you know of something you can personally do about it. Proclaiming what is going to be happening to our grandchildren is just scare tactic prophecy. I'm sure nothing good will come of this but just how bad it will be 60 years from now I have no freaking clue and neither does anyone else.
On the other hand, I do know that my parents are watching their 401k accounts get drained. That is real and that is now.

 

[racolvin]

Originally posted by: kranky
An apology would hardly suffice.

These greedy SOBs are so insulated from the lives of the average person, they don't even think they did anything wrong. They don't feel disgraced in the least. They live lives based on "get what you can, when you can" and if things go sour, oh well. They don't think about the lives of the people who lost money. They didn't feel any responsibility to act ethically and prudently. They do not feel shame.

I'm embarrassed for my country to see AIG trying to defend paying bonuses to the people who ruined everything by saying the bonuses are contracturally guaranteed. If these people were ethical, they would simply refuse the bonuses as they certainly did nothing to earn them. But they won't, they'll demand their bonuses or sue to get them.

It's a damn shame the generation which did sacrifice, which did live within their means, which did look out for each other has to take it on the chin now due to unbridled greed and selfishness on the part of those in positions of power. I know two families who have done everything "right" who now see their remaining retirement years becoming pretty lean when they should have been comfortable. The money they used to give to support single mothers get their cars repaired, to fund youth athletic programs and to send kids to summer camp won't be there any more.

When we see how vast and deep the scamming was, we'll be shocked, but we won't do anything about it. We'll keep re-electing the same people as always, we won't get involved, and we won't think about it once any more once we see who won on American Idol this week. Gimme the remote, then let me watch some youtube vids and pr0n, get me out of jury duty and keep gas prices under $3... there's nothing wrong with America. Let someone else do something.

Embarrassed for my country.. that's how I feel. It's not a good feeling.

This +1

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: yllus


And a very small percentage of the population made the decisions that landed us in the current mess, which is about a thousandth as terrible as the ones the Greatest Generation stirred up. Why am I supposed to feel all apologetic?

Let me clue you in on something: I don't know who or what your father and uncles were or did. You brought them up - out of nowhere. For all I know your father was a war criminal who ordered his troops to firebomb civilians in Vietnam. The hell is the relevance of that, how was I supposed to have known what your family did in any of those wars, and why do you think it proves any sort of point?

You really don't get it ? You are serious ?
You are trying to blame an entire generation for something a few people did.

I brought up my family because of your insulting tone towards people that died to protect this country. The people that gave their lives deserve better than to be thought of as 'bullshit war games' . Your lack of respect for them is disgusting.

No, it's you who clearly doesn't get it - which is actually rather funny. Here we are, getting lectured about how we've let down this wonderful generation for what a few people in ours did, yet I'm being admonished for doing the exact same thing to a generation that perpetrated crimes about a thousand times worse. Sarcasm really is a lost art.

You brought up your family because you think playing the emotion card automatically wins an argument. Big honking news flash: It doesn't. So don't act all aggrieved when people dismiss it for the pointless diversion that it is.

So WWII is a crime now ?
Sarcasm has no place when discussing people that died for the country.

I brought up my family because you were insulting. You can't understand that soldiers don't get to pick their battles.

You are the one that brought 'bullshit war games' into the discussion, not I.

I will have to take another tactic in this discussion - you are probably too emotional to recognize what I am saying.

Okay, let's look at the argument posed originally: "As the country frets about extricating itself from the financial mess, there is one group of Americans to whom the rest of us owe the most sincere words of apology."

The rest of us = All of us peons reading the CNN editorial. You, me, and that nutball who wants to throw me in jail. Apparently we're all responsible for this mess and should issue those oldest citizens an apology.

Amused by the wholesale blame placed upon us, I said: "Oh please. I'll feel like making an apology when they issue ten apologies first for all the bullshit war games they played for most of their lives. It's the very pinnacle of hypocrisy to pin the world being screwy on us now."

Do you see it now? We all get blamed for a bunch of bankers and politicians getting loose with credit, but the Greatest Generation bears no blame for the screwups of the politicians of their time? I daresay a world war or two, plus a couple of regional conflicts, the results of which still affect us all today, is a little bit worse than a credit market panic.

Sarcasm has every place in a discussion where far more dire events were allowed to transpire by people who now demand our apologies, yet in a far more trivial screwup we're not given the same leeway. That's hypocrisy, plain and simple.

If you don't think that war isn't caused by bullshit - WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Terran-Zerg - you're probably too caught up with your heart in your throat to admit that none of it should have happened to begin with. This isn't to say that under my dominion the world would be free from conflict and violence would be a thing of the past, but war doesn't flare up spontaneously and randomly. Decisions are made by people to wage them.

This part I can't be nice about: I think you do your family a far greater insult than I could ever dish out by throwing them into this discussion as if they were a trump card. Again, nobody on the Internet knows who your family was, but apparently we're all to assume they died in the most honourable of ways, having no control at all over what occurred that led to that event. Further, this small sampling of humanity apparently serves as the reason none of that generation can now be criticized.

Yeah, sorry, but that's not going to fly. Not with me, anyways, and hopefully not with others my age who realize that we're all only going to get better if we stop glamourizing the follies of the past. None of it should ever have happened to begin with.

 

[Shadow Conception]

I was sorta thinking about this a while ago. Parents like mine (in their 40's, about to enter 50's), after all the hardships they've gone through, don't deserve this. They need a break.

 

[ultimatebob]

Ummm... if you were old enough to serve in WWII, you've probably been retired and collecting social security for over 15 years at this point.

Once you retire, you shouldn't have your money in stocks anymore since you need that money to live off of! If they are still invested in stocks in their 80's, they are either really greedy or not very bright. Either way, it's not our fault that they lost half of it.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: yllus

Amused by the wholesale blame placed upon us, I said: "Oh please. I'll feel like making an apology when they issue ten apologies first for all the bullshit war games they played for most of their lives. It's the very pinnacle of hypocrisy to pin the world being screwy on us now."

Do you see it now? We all get blamed for a bunch of bankers and politicians getting loose with credit, but the Greatest Generation bears no blame for the screwups of the politicians of their time? I daresay a world war or two, plus a couple of regional conflicts, the results of which still affect us all today, is a little bit worse than a credit market panic.

You are comparing a world war with the current credit problems ?

If you don't think that war isn't caused by bullshit - WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Terran-Zerg - you're probably too caught up with your heart in your throat to admit that none of it should have happened to begin with. This isn't to say that under my dominion the world would be free from conflict and violence would be a thing of the past, but war doesn't flare up spontaneously and randomly. Decisions are made by people to wage them.

You still don't get how things like world wars happen . People decide to wage them , but those people are often not the ones who fight in them. You compare a video game with the world wars ? What are you 12 ?

This part I can't be nice about: I think you do your family a far greater insult than I could ever dish out by throwing them into this discussion as if they were a trump card. Again, nobody on the Internet knows who your family was, but apparently we're all to assume they died in the most honourable of ways, having no control at all over what occurred that led to that event. Further, this small sampling of humanity apparently serves as the reason none of that generation can now be criticized.

You don't insult just my family. But the families of everyone that has lost someone in a war that was defending their country. It doesn't matter if you know the people or not. The fact is they went when asked. I suppose you think the soldiers in Iraq are all bullshit too because you don't know them personally. I'm sure they all want to be away from their families . By your logic it is their own fault if they die in war.

Yeah, sorry, but that's not going to fly. Not with me, anyways, and hopefully not with others my age who realize that we're all only going to get better if we stop glamourizing the follies of the past. None of it should ever have happened to begin with.

Thankfully you are not representative of the population.