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We have a deal!! Back to life as normal...

ProfJohn

Lifer
All this drama for nothing...

Anyway, we have a deal. Will vote on it tomorrow.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-07-31-21-05-43
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Ending a perilous stalemate, President Barack Obama announced agreement Sunday night with Republican congressional leaders on a compromise to avoid the nation's first-ever financial default. The deal would cut more than $2 trillion from federal spending over a decade.

Default "would have had a devastating effect on our economy," Obama said at the White House, relaying the news to the American people and financial markets around the world. He thanked the leaders of both parties.

House Speaker John Boehner telephoned Obama at mid-evening to say the agreement had been struck, officials said.

No votes were expected in either house of Congress until Monday at the earliest, to give rank-and-file lawmakers time to review the package.

But leaders in both parties were already beginning the work of rounding up votes.

In a conference call with his rank and file, Boehner said the agreement "isn't the greatest deal in the world, but it shows how much we've changed the terms of the debate in this town."

Obama underscored that point. He said that, if enacted, the agreement would mean "the lowest level of domestic spending since Dwight Eisenhower was president" more than a half century ago.

Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid provided the first word of the agreement.

"Sometimes it seems our two sides disagree on almost everything," he said. "But in the end, reasonable people were able to agree on this: The United States could not take the chance of defaulting on our debt, risking a United States financial and a world-wide depression."
 
Winner and losers via Washington Post
The debt ceiling fight is over. The White House and congressional leaders have settled on a deal to raise the nation’s debt ceiling, enact immediate spending cuts and, our favorite part, create a super-commission designed to trim the federal budget further by the end of the year.

The political stakes for this fight were massive — and it produced a number of winners and losers. Our take on the best and the worst is below.

Winners

Mitch McConnell: The Kentucky Republican was like the Mariano Rivera of the debt deal. He waited until the game was in its final moments, came onto the field and helped close things down (in a good way). McConnell was also a voice of reason and frankness for Republicans, making clear that default would be a huge political loser for the party. In the end, he got a deal the way he wanted one — with him at the center of negotiations.

Tea party: There were major questions coming into the 112th Congress about who would blink first — the largely establishment-aligned leaders of the new Republican House majority or the tea-party-aligned freshman members. We got our answer to that question late Thursday as House Speaker John Boehner was forced not only to postpone his compromise bill but ultimately to add conservative sweeteners to get the 217 votes he needed. (He got 218.) The tea party — inside and outside Congress — will almost certainly be emboldened by the result of this fight.

President Obama: The president needed a deal of some sort to prove that he was capable of making the government work — even if it took until the eleventh (and a half) hour to strike the compromise. Liberals are likely to be deeply unhappy about the nature of the deal, which includes no increases in taxes or revenue. But remember that Obama’s target constituency in 2012 is not his base but rather independent and moderate voters. And those fence-sitters love compromise in almost any form.

Congressional Budget Office: The CBO is largely the redoubt of fiscal policy nerds — and we say that with the greatest respect. But for the past week of negotiations, the CBO was a central player — particularly when Boehner’s proposal came in under its proposed savings. Now that a deal appears to be done, the CBO will return to its relative anonymity (until the next budget fight).

Grover Norquist: With no revenue increases in the final deal, Norquist, the head of Americans for Tax Reform, appears to have held the line. His pledge — signed by hundreds of House members — not to raise taxes or revenue remains intact, as does his reputation as a “do not cross” member of the GOP establishment.

David Wu : Has a member of Congress forced to resign amid a sex scandal ever drawn less media attention? Somewhere, Anthony Weiner is grimacing.

Losers

Congress: Coming into this debt-ceiling showdown, Congress was about as popular as poison ivy. One can only imagine just how much further that discontent has spread after this high-profile demonstration of brinkmanship and intransigence. Lawmakers — bless their hearts — seem entirely unaware of just how bad they looked during this fight and will almost certainly spend the next few weeks (or months) congratulating themselves on their tremendous magnanimity.

Gang of Six : The group was supposed to put lie to the idea that true bipartisanship — in which both sides give somewhat equally — was dead. But the gang was never able to deliver its plans, amid departures and re-arrivals (Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, we’re looking at you). And after a brief renaissance late in the game when Obama praised the group, it faded again — eclipsed by plans pushed by leaders in both parties.

Commissions: It seems as though the answer to every in trac table problem in Washington is to form a commission. Social Security insolvency on the horizon? Commission! Education failing our kids? Commission(s)! (There have been at least four.) Heck, we have already had a commission to deal with the debt problem. The likely formation of a super-commission to figure out what can and should be cut out of the federal budget may not be doomed to failure, but it has a lot of bad commission history to overcome.

Liberals: As the basic framework of the deal emerged, liberals began voicing their discontent about a bargain that left their side wanting more. With no revenue in the initial phase of the legislation and Medicare cuts on the table in the second phase, there’s not much for the ideological left to celebrate.
 
It's not a deal until it's voted on an approved by both chambers. Many Tea Partyers in the house will likely vote against the bill, which means Repubs will need a lot of the house Democrats to come on board, which is no given.
 
The key to who is the winner and who is the loser is what happens down the line, coupled with some things we don't know in enough detail yet.

The second prong is a deficit commission where tax increases are potentially on the table, and if past deficit commissions are any indication, will likely be part of the recommended package.

The key is what are the automatic cuts that kick in if Congress does not approve the commissions recommendations on an up or down vote (which I presume means no fillibuster allowed)? If it includes fairly heavy defense cuts, then you'll probably get enough GOP to join enough dems to enact the commission's recommendations since the GOP doesn't want heavy defense cuts.

This also guarantees the debt ceiling until after the election, and tables the balanced budget amendment.

All in all, it might not be that bad for the dems.
 
No tax increases is a fair compromise as long as there are no tax cuts. You can't rant about balancing the budget and then yell "cut taxes!" in the next.

Now, hopefully someone will make a nice pie chart for all us lazy(hungry) bastards that don't want to dig around for raw #'s but want to see something round with pretty colors 😛
 
No tax increases is a fair compromise as long as there are no tax cuts. You can't rant about balancing the budget and then yell "cut taxes!" in the next.

Now, hopefully someone will make a nice pie chart for all us lazy(hungry) bastards that don't want to dig around for raw #'s but want to see something round with pretty colors 😛


I beg to differ. We DO need tax cuts at this time. But ONLY for the middle class and the poor.😉

The repubs keep mouthing off about the need for cutting taxes. Well, here's their chance to do something for the middle class and the poor for once.😛
 
Bush tax cut expiration is still on. Going to be hard for Congress to argue for extending them now that we are all oh so concerned about deficits.
 
Bush tax cut expiration is still on. Going to be hard for Congress to argue for extending them now that we are all oh so concerned about deficits.

oh they will try and try and try. Letting the tax cuts expire is a TAX INCREASE! 3 wars, tax cuts for everyone and limitless spending ... everybody is going hog wild.
 
This doesnt address entitlements or revenue.

The Washington Post, which is shall we say, perhaps somewhat biased, left out the one contestant.

Losers: American People.
 
Delayed congratulations to the Republicans on your 2008 and 2010 victories! Obama is now governing well to the right of Ronald Reagan.
 
Delayed congratulations to the Republicans on your 2008 and 2010 victories! Obama is now governing well to the right of Ronald Reagan.
Not even close.

If Obama got what HE wanted we'd have more spending and more taxes.

It is the Tea Party that is moving the country to the right.
 
This whole charade has accomplished nothing aside from undermining business and investor confidence and pricing more political risk in our future interest costs.
 
The key to this deal is the trigger, until we know more about the triggers its hard to say who won. Compared to what Obama offered the republicans a week ago this seems like a win for Obama, if the triggers are as reported cuts to defense and medicare. Becuase he really only gave up 1T in cuts which was agreed to by everyone months ago, and it would appear that both of the triggers would be unpalatable to the republicans base voters which will give the democrats the upper hand in the coming negotiations between Thanksgiving and Christmas.

But this is far from a done deal, I have zero confidence that Boehner can command the tea party votes in the House, and will have to depend on some Dems to come over.
 
This whole charade has accomplished nothing aside from undermining business and investor confidence and pricing more political risk in our future interest costs.
Not really; business didn't take this seriously. The stock market cared only a little and the bond market even less. Everybody who had actually paid even a modicum of attention to this knew it was just political theater/posturing. This has brought, somewhat, more attention to the fact that the US credit rating is at risk, but rumors of that from the credit agencies have been around for a while and, of course, won't go away. The US will have to work much harder to not let its rating slip in the few years.
 
This whole charade has accomplished nothing aside from undermining business and investor confidence and pricing more political risk in our future interest costs.

S&P futures up nearly 20 pts as of 10:20pm. Woot! Going to be a fun day at work tomorrow, can't wait! :biggrin:
 
But this is far from a done deal, I have zero confidence that Boehner can command the tea party votes in the House, and will have to depend on some Dems to come over.
That is what I said in my compromise thread.

Get the moderate Democrats onboard and you can pass it without the tea party.


And I thought the balanced budget amendment was still part of it, or at least they agreed to have separate votes for it or something.
 
Not really; business didn't take this seriously. The stock market cared only a little and the bond market even less. Everybody who had actually paid even a modicum of attention to this knew it was just political theater/posturing. This has brought, somewhat, more attention to the fact that the US credit rating is at risk, but rumors of that from the credit agencies have been around for a while and, of course, won't go away. The US will have to work much harder to not let its rating slip in the few years.

I disagree. Businesses, have a lot of uncertainty as it's hashed out where the cuts are going to go. If government is one of your customers, are you going to invest in capacity (hiring) now if the demand may be cut come Thanksgiving? If people run out of unemployment benefits, the demand for consumer goods will tank as well. It's like a pilot in a plane that is about to stall makes an announcement that his number one priority is saving money on fuel. Wouldn't make me too confident.
 
The House is the big question mark. When all the details come out the Tea Party and more liberal Dems could derail it since they both might feel like they are getting screwed.
 
This is no deal. It's a capitulation on the part of the Dems.

I may be short-sighted in my assessment on this issue, but it simply disgusts me how the repubs held the debt ceiling increase hostage and how the Dems caved in on practically all of the repubs demands....well, besides what the Tea Party nutjobs were demanding.

Super Committee? What a slick way to kick the can down the road where the repubs will get another chance to force the Dems to wimp out again.

Triggers? I've not seen or heard a thing about a trigger that would kick in increasing revenues via forcing the rich to suffer like the Dems are forcing the middle class and the poor to suffer with this new "deal". Please tell me I'm wrong in this regard.

Maybe it's time to have the Dems create a sub-party as nutty as the Tea Party because like it or not, those folks that came out of the Tea Party loonie bin seem to have held a gun to the head of the Dems long enough for the Dems to behave like middle of the road repubs.😛
 
First, there is no deal till there is a deal.

There will be no spending cuts.

Then this is all just so much theater. Remember that we get to do this all over again before the end of SEP.

Maybe we can have another super special committee to do the work of Congress.
 
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