"We can refuse service for any reason" -> NOPE according to the appeals Court

[JEDI]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/13/us/colorado-same-sex-wedding-cake/index.html

An appellate court on Thursday ruled against a Colorado bakery owner who refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple, rejecting among other things his denial that he discriminated against them because they are gay.

Court rejects argument that owner's rights to free speech and exercise of religion were violated.


so all those signs you see in restaurants about refusing service...

 

[K1052]

Compliance with state public accommodation law isn't optional.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

This is nothing new. Accommodation laws supercede attempts to justify discrimination against protected classes.

 

[waggy]

Compliance with state public accommodation law isn't optional.

/this

You have the right to refuse service to anyone. LONG as it is not against someone sexual preference, race etc.

 

[werepossum]

/this

You have the right to refuse service to anyone. LONG as it is not against someone sexual preference, race etc.

Practically everyone knows this, so it's hard to have much sympathy for those who choose to ignore it.

 

[Spungo]

so all those signs you see in restaurants about refusing service...

Remember that Chappelle sketch where Frankenstein goes on a rampage and gets fired. He thinks it's because he's black, but its' really because he's a violent monster. That's your future, America. Throw an angry black woman out because she's screaming into her cell phone = lawsuit. Das raycis. Two gay guys had sex in your bathroom, but throwing them out = homophobic. Throw out something that you think is a white woman, and it turns out it's actually a man in drag. Now you're transphobic.

The War on Drugs and War onTerror have been epic failures, but the War on Jobs and War on the Economy are very successful so far.

Why can't we let the free market handle this? About a year ago, I said it would be hugely profitable to open a gym that performs gay weddings. I'm half serious. That really would make a lot of money. There are lots of gay people out there, and they seem to have money because they don't have accidental kids.

 

[Paratus]

Remember that Chappelle sketch where Frankenstein goes on a rampage and gets fired. He thinks it's because he's black, but its' really because he's a violent monster. That's your future, America. Throw an angry black woman out because she's screaming into her cell phone = lawsuit. Das raycis. Two gay guys had sex in your bathroom, but throwing them out = homophobic. Throw out something that you think is a white woman, and it turns out it's actually a man in drag. Now you're transphobic.

The War on Drugs and War onTerror have been epic failures, but the War on Jobs and War on the Economy are very successful so far.

Why can't we let the free market handle this? About a year ago, I said it would be hugely profitable to open a gym that performs gay weddings. I'm half serious. That really would make a lot of money. There are lots of gay people out there, and they seem to have money because they don't have accidental kids.

No, I think I'll let the law and judicial system up hold our basic rights rather than let the free market decide.

 

[sportage]

In this free nation, mayby not others but in America it is a given if you are in business you must serve all the people fairly.
Putting up a sign saying differently is not necessarily legal nor protection against legal action.
If you want to do business then do business. Period.
If you just want to make some statement, start a blog, not a business.

If I were getting SS married I myself wouldn't care if some bakery chose not to bake a cake.
That would be a two way street. I wouldn't want to do business with the bakery either.
And I'd spread the word about that bakery.
But it is justice that the bakery lost in court.
Still, myself I'd just ignore them and spread the word.
I'm sure enough heterosexuals planning weddings would not want their cake either.
Life is a two way street.

 

[Slew Foot]

are they going to go after the muslim bakery that didnt bake a gay cake as well?

 

[ivwshane]

are they going to go after the muslim bakery that didnt bake a gay cake as well?

Why not?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

are they going to go after the muslim bakery that didnt bake a gay cake as well?

Why not?

Pretty much, discrimination is discrimination.

 

[sm625]

This is the death knell for small business in this country. This is proof that this whole gay rights thing is just part of a plot to totally destroy this country. Instead of less government, less regulation, less red tape, we get this disgusting bullcrap. This is one of those things that could truly blow up in a big way. When this country falls apart the gays are going to be blamed for a good deal of it. These people's minds are all messed up, not specifically because they are gay, but because they think this type of outrageous sort of bureaucracy is a good thing. Rights and social freedom are made possible through prosperity. When you destroy the engine of prosperity you destroy the foundation for freedom.

To summarize: You stupid liberal commie bastards think you can force a business to do whatever the hell you want. But you cant force a frickin business to stay in business. Stupid goddam commie trash.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

This is the death knell for small business in this country. This is proof that this whole gay rights thing is just part of a plot to totally destroy this country. Instead of less government, less regulation, less red tape, we get this disgusting bullcrap. This is one of those things that could truly blow up in a big way. When this country falls apart the gays are going to be blamed for a good deal of it. These people's minds are all messed up, not specifically because they are gay, but because they think this type of outrageous sort of bureaucracy is a good thing. Rights and social freedom are made possible through prosperity. When you destroy the engine of prosperity you destroy the foundation for freedom.

To summarize: You stupid liberal commie bastards think you can force a business to do whatever the hell you want. But you cant force a frickin business to stay in business. Stupid goddam commie trash.

It's far too early in the day to be smoking that amount of crack.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

This is the death knell for small business in this country. This is proof that this whole gay rights thing is just part of a plot to totally destroy this country. Instead of less government, less regulation, less red tape, we get this disgusting bullcrap. This is one of those things that could truly blow up in a big way. When this country falls apart the gays are going to be blamed for a good deal of it. These people's minds are all messed up, not specifically because they are gay, but because they think this type of outrageous sort of bureaucracy is a good thing. Rights and social freedom are made possible through prosperity. When you destroy the engine of prosperity you destroy the foundation for freedom.

Someone baking a cake or attending a gay service is going to be the death knell of small business? I doubt it.
Honestly how many people are there in the country who own a business, and are offended by gays so much that they cannot provide a service or accept their money?

Here is how it will play out. The handful of businesses that truly don't want to deal with the problem will simply screen their customers better. They ask for names & dates up front if its obviously a gay couple they will either be busy when the service needs to be provided or they will intentionally make the deal fail before it proceeds any further. Even these lawsuits are based on making a point. Nobody wants food to be prepared from someone who hates them.

 

[K1052]

This is the death knell for small business in this country. This is proof that this whole gay rights thing is just part of a plot to totally destroy this country. Instead of less government, less regulation, less red tape, we get this disgusting bullcrap. This is one of those things that could truly blow up in a big way. When this country falls apart the gays are going to be blamed for a good deal of it. These people's minds are all messed up, not specifically because they are gay, but because they think this type of outrageous sort of bureaucracy is a good thing. Rights and social freedom are made possible through prosperity. When you destroy the engine of prosperity you destroy the foundation for freedom.

To summarize: You stupid liberal commie bastards think you can force a business to do whatever the hell you want. But you cant force a frickin business to stay in business. Stupid goddam commie trash.

 

[CitizenKain]

This is the death knell for small business in this country. This is proof that this whole gay rights thing is just part of a plot to totally destroy this country. Instead of less government, less regulation, less red tape, we get this disgusting bullcrap. This is one of those things that could truly blow up in a big way. When this country falls apart the gays are going to be blamed for a good deal of it. These people's minds are all messed up, not specifically because they are gay, but because they think this type of outrageous sort of bureaucracy is a good thing. Rights and social freedom are made possible through prosperity. When you destroy the engine of prosperity you destroy the foundation for freedom.

To summarize: You stupid liberal commie bastards think you can force a business to do whatever the hell you want. But you cant force a frickin business to stay in business. Stupid goddam commie trash.

Don't worry cletus, you aren't worth anything and no one really cares what the bottom of the barrel cares. I hope I didn't use too many big words for you there, I can tell you have a serious learning disability.

 

[brycejones]

Stupid goddam trash.

Those three words accurately sum up your entire post.

 

[Capt Caveman]

This is the death knell for small business in this country. This is proof that this whole gay rights thing is just part of a plot to totally destroy this country. Instead of less government, less regulation, less red tape, we get this disgusting bullcrap. This is one of those things that could truly blow up in a big way. When this country falls apart the gays are going to be blamed for a good deal of it. These people's minds are all messed up, not specifically because they are gay, but because they think this type of outrageous sort of bureaucracy is a good thing. Rights and social freedom are made possible through prosperity. When you destroy the engine of prosperity you destroy the foundation for freedom.

To summarize: You stupid liberal commie bastards think you can force a business to do whatever the hell you want. But you cant force a frickin business to stay in business. Stupid goddam commie trash.

Love these retarded threads by the OP b/c it brings out the other retarded/ignorant posters like himself.

 

[Spungo]

No, I think I'll let the law and judicial system up hold our basic rights rather than let the free market decide.

You don't have a right to refuse service?

 

[CitizenKain]

You don't have a right to refuse service?

Not on a protected class. Or at least you can't use that as the reason to deny service.

The free market has shown it can't handle things in the past, why do people believe it suddenly will now?

 

[K1052]

You don't have a right to refuse service?

Not under the terms laid out under the Civil Rights Act and any relevant state laws (the compliance with which is a condition of the issuance of a business license in said state).

 

[WHAMPOM]

Remember that Chappelle sketch where Frankenstein goes on a rampage and gets fired. He thinks it's because he's black, but its' really because he's a violent monster. That's your future, America. Throw an angry black woman out because she's screaming into her cell phone = lawsuit. Das raycis. Two gay guys had sex in your bathroom, but throwing them out = homophobic. Throw out something that you think is a white woman, and it turns out it's actually a man in drag. Now you're transphobic.

The War on Drugs and War onTerror have been epic failures, but the War on Jobs and War on the Economy are very successful so far.

Why can't we let the free market handle this? About a year ago, I said it would be hugely profitable to open a gym that performs gay weddings. I'm half serious. That really would make a lot of money. There are lots of gay people out there, and they seem to have money because they don't have accidental kids.

A bakery selling a cake for a gay wedding is capitalism, refusing to provide a service you are in business for is discrimination if on the basis of sexual preference.

 

[Brainonska511]

You don't have a right to refuse service?

You still have a right to refuse service, provided it does not violate anti-discrimination laws.

 

[WHAMPOM]

This is the death knell for small business in this country. This is proof that this whole gay rights thing is just part of a plot to totally destroy this country. Instead of less government, less regulation, less red tape, we get this disgusting bullcrap. This is one of those things that could truly blow up in a big way. When this country falls apart the gays are going to be blamed for a good deal of it. These people's minds are all messed up, not specifically because they are gay, but because they think this type of outrageous sort of bureaucracy is a good thing. Rights and social freedom are made possible through prosperity. When you destroy the engine of prosperity you destroy the foundation for freedom.

To summarize: You stupid liberal commie bastards think you can force a business to do whatever the hell you want. But you cant force a frickin business to stay in business. Stupid goddam commie trash.

You have anything to add besides upchuck?

 

[Spungo]

You still have a right to refuse service, provided it does not violate anti-discrimination laws.

Fine. I refuse service because those shoes are so last year. It has nothing to do with the gayness.

Making everything illegal is how we became a culture of liars. If you ever get fired from a job, they will never say why you were fired. Everything is for "not being a team player" or something that is equally meaningless. It would be nice if people could just say what they mean.