We are all gay.

[HAL9000]

I've already told you at what point it becomes bisexual, when you feel sexually turned on.

I have kissed a girl before. I didn't get that zing feeling like when I kiss a guy. Those feelings just weren't there.

You are making it far too complicated when it is cut and dry.

Then you haven't met the right girl.

 

[HAL9000]

One of these two, depending on what "do[ing] things" entails.

So what things does a person have to do to be officially a bisexual?

 

[moshquerade]

Then you haven't met the right girl.

No. No. No.
That's not it at all.

 

[MotF Bane]

I might fool around with a girl occasionally, but I don't feel turned on in the least. Just having fun. I still consider myself 100% heterosexual.

This post is relevant to my interests.

 

[HAL9000]

No. No. No.
That's not it at all.

A surprising number of women watch lesbian porn. That's a fact.

The only people (in my experience) that say they are 100% straight are either homophobes (I'm not saying that's you) or are people who have just lived a very straight life, most people do at some point in their lives find some kind of attraction to someone of the same sex in my experience, some will write it off as whatever they can convince themselves it was. Some people will engage it and take it further some people will just put it down to one of those things.

The main problem is defining sexual attraction, does it have to mean physical sexual arousal? Because I'm often sexually attracted to people without getting a massive erection etc. Or is it a set of thoughts? Well alot of people have attractive personalities, but at what definable point does it go from being attracted to them, wanting to be a friend or being attracted to their confidence, how they hold themselves to being sexually attracted to them.

It's all a grey area, it's all a blurred line, some people accept it, some people repress it, some people try to suppress it in others. Some people never knowing understand what they are experiencing. Human psychology is never black and white, no one is 100% anything. It's not an on off switch, nothing in psychology is, it's a spectrum.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

So what things does a person have to do to be officially a bisexual?

Engage in sexual activity.

 

[HAL9000]

Engage in sexual activity.

So if two girls... Kiss with tongue? Is that sexual activity? Or is it when they touch boobs...? Or lick their tits? or... what? at what point does the switch flick. To make it official?

 

[moshquerade]

A surprising number of women watch lesbian porn. That's a fact.

Just watching it doesn't make them lesbian or even bisexual. If I watch gay male porn does that mean I'm gay?

The only people (in my experience) that say they are 100% straight are either homophobes (I'm not saying that's you) or are people who have just lived a very straight life, most people do at some point in their lives find some kind of attraction to someone of the same sex in my experience, some will write it off as whatever they can convince themselves it was. Some people will engage it and take it further some people will just put it down to one of those things.

Is it attraction or curiosity? Curiosity can be satisfied, but if it is actual attraction then that is different.

The main problem is defining sexual attraction, does it have to mean physical sexual arousal? Because I'm often sexually attracted to people without getting a massive erection etc.

You've just said it, you are "attracted" to them. Erection or not, you have those thoughts of attraction. As I've said, those feelings have to be present for someone to be an actual bisexual/homosexual/heterosexual.

Or is it a set of thoughts? Well alot of people have attractive personalities, but at what definable point does it go from being attracted to them, wanting to be a friend or being attracted to their confidence, how they hold themselves to being sexually attracted to them.

It's all a grey area, it's all a blurred line, some people accept it, some people repress it, some people try to suppress it in others. Some people never knowing understand what they are experiencing. Human psychology is never black and white, no one is 100% anything. It's not an on off switch, nothing in psychology is, it's a spectrum.

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree, because I don't see it as a blurred line at all.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

So if two girls... Kiss with tongue? Is that sexual activity? Or is it when they touch boobs...? Or lick their tits? or... what? at what point does the switch flick. To make it official?

Are they doing it out of sexual attraction or are they doing it for attention so they can get dp'd by some frat boys later that night?

 

[HAL9000]

Just watching it doesn't make them lesbian or even bisexual. If I watch gay male porn does that mean I'm gay?

I meant watch as in masturbate to.

Is it attraction or curiosity? Curiosity can be satisfied, but if it is actual attraction then that is different.

Attraction has some curiousity about it, when first you see someone your attracted to there's always an element of curiosity to it.

You've just said it, you are "attracted" to them. Erection or not, you have those thoughts of attraction. As I've said, those feelings have to be present for someone to be an actual bisexual/homosexual/heterosexual.

What thoughts? It's a feeling more than anything, it's not quantifiable, the difference between being attracted to someone as in you want to spend time with them, or being attracted to them as in you want to date them is a thin line.

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree, because I don't see it as a blurred line at all.

The best way to test this is: The gay for pay game (TM)

Get a group of men and ask them how much it would cost for them to have sex with [INSERT NAME] (use celebrities so that they have no personal connection to them) Ask about Brad Pitt, then George Clooney, etc. You'll find that guys will be like "OH I wouldn't have sex with him for $1,000,000" and others they will be happier with, does that not meant that they have more of a physical attraction to the ones they'd sleep with for less?

 

[HAL9000]

Are they doing it out of sexual attraction or are they doing it for attention so they can get dp'd by some frat boys later that night?

No one else is around, just other women.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

No one else is around, just other women.

Answer the first part of the question alone, then.

 

[HAL9000]

Answer the first part of the question alone, then.

OK My answer is:

I've no idea why they are doing it. Neither do they, they are messing about, whatever.... etc

 

[MotF Bane]

Are they doing it out of sexual attraction or are they doing it for attention so they can get dp'd by some frat boys later that night?

I'll take attention for $1000, Alex!

 

[HamburgerBoy]

OK My answer is:

I've no idea why they are doing it. Neither do they, they are messing about, whatever.... etc

Then your hypothetical situation is meaningless. Sexual orientation is determined by sexual attraction.

 

[HAL9000]

Then your hypothetical situation is meaningless. Sexual orientation is determined by sexual attraction.

Really? You said it was dependant on how far you had gone with someone of the same sex.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Really? You said it was dependant on how far you had gone with someone of the same sex.

The sexual activities you mentioned were ambiguously sexual. "Touching boobies" could be checking for lumps or secretly applying a neurotoxin for all I know. Kissing could be between you and the Queen greeting each other.

 

[moshquerade]

I meant watch as in masturbate to.

well, say that then, big difference.
And no, I don't think there are a lot of women who masturbate to lesbian porn unless they are lesbian. And still, that isn't a lot of the general population.

Attraction has some curiousity about it, when first you see someone your attracted to there's always an element of curiosity to it.

curiosity and attraction aren't the same. i have been curious without having feelings of actual physical attraction. attraction would mean i want to do it again because those feelings would stay with me.

What thoughts? It's a feeling more than anything, it's not quantifiable, the difference between being attracted to someone as in you want to spend time with them, or being attracted to them as in you want to date them is a thin line.

No. I have 3 best girlfriends that I spend time/do things with all the time. I don't want to "date" them. I don't think of them in that way. The line is clear.

The best way to test this is: The gay for pay game (TM)

Get a group of men and ask them how much it would cost for them to have sex with [INSERT NAME] (use celebrities so that they have no personal connection to them) Ask about Brad Pitt, then George Clooney, etc. You'll find that guys will be like "OH I wouldn't have sex with him for $1,000,000" and others they will be happier with, does that not meant that they have more of a physical attraction to the ones they'd sleep with for less?

Could just mean they could use the money.

 

[HAL9000]

The sexual activities you mentioned were ambiguously sexual. "Touching boobies" could be checking for lumps or secretly applying a neurotoxin for all I know. Kissing could be between you and the Queen greeting each other.

OK let me rephrase them to:

Kissing with tongues (French Kissing)
Booby fondling, groping and caressing.

 

[HAL9000]

well, say that then, big difference.
And no, I don't think there are a lot of women who masturbate to lesbian porn unless they are lesbian. And still, that isn't a lot of the general population.

I've met quite a few.

curiosity and attraction aren't the same. i have been curious without having feelings of actual physical attraction. attraction would mean i want to do it again because those feelings would stay with me.

No of course, I agree curiosity and attraction aren't the same, I'm just arguing that attraction has some curiosity in it. Can attraction not be fleeting?

No. I have 3 best girlfriends that I spend time/do things with all the time. I don't want to "date" them. I don't think of them in that way. The line is clear.

Friends become lovers sometimes as lovers become friends. I'm not arguing that everyone is attracted to everyone I'm just arguing that what constitutes sexual attraction is vague.

Could just mean they could use the money.

That's fair, it cost me a fuck load to get on of my friends to sleep with George Clooney...

 

[Zen0]

I've already told you at what point it becomes bisexual, when you feel sexually turned on.

I have kissed a girl before. I didn't get that zing feeling like when I kiss a guy. Those feelings just weren't there.

You are making it far too complicated when it is cut and dry.

This guy is hopeless. Sexuality IS NOT on a fucking spectrum, except for maybe tiny fraction of people.

Lots of people are like that, they think their own ideas of whatever applies to everyone else. Fuck, I used to think to think like that. I like men of a certain type, but it's definitely just me (and those like me). MOST people find muscular and fit tall guys to be sexually attractive, and just because I don't, it doesn't mean that most people don't.

 

[guyver01]

This guy is hopeless.

i find it hilarious that you all are arguing about sexuality with someone who cannot admit he's gay... who has mental problems... and is a kid.

it's like arguing philosophy with TridenT... you're wasting your time with someone who has no experience in the issue they're arguing with.

 

[HAL9000]

i find it hilarious that you all are arguing about sexuality with someone who cannot admit he's gay... who has mental problems... and is a kid.

Fuck off.

 

[guyver01]

Fuck off.

just like a little kid to stop his feet when he gets mad.

see?

 

[HAL9000]

just like a little kid to stop his feet when he gets mad.

see?

I'm not mad, I'm pretty calm, it just felt important to tell you to fuck off after you insult me.