[WCCFTECH] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1180 leaked info and performance

[jpiniero]

I'm sure a gtx1180 for $599 that is even 35% faster than a $700 gtx1080ti will fly off the shelves.

It is so not going to be $599, the faster one at least. $750 easy, likely more.

 

[happy medium]

It is so not going to be $599, the faster one at least. $750 easy, likely more.

The gtx1080 released at $699 for the FE, and $599 for the faster AIB versions.
$50 more for the FE version would be $750. That's normal.
THATS A 7% increase in price over the gtx1080, big deal!

If the 1180 is 40% faster than a gtx1080ti, it will be worth $750.
Do the math, 40% faster for $50 more, thats a no- brainer.

Historically the new Nvidia cards cost $50 more every 2 years or new generation for the same performance tier.

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[ZGR]

The gtx1080 released at $699 for the FE, and $599 for the faster AIB versions.
$50 more for the FE version would be $750. That's normal.
THATS A 7% increase in price over the gtx1080, big deal!

If the 1180 is 40% faster than a gtx1080ti, it will be worth $750.
Do the math, 40% faster for $50 more, thats a no- brainer.

Historically the new Nvidia cards cost $50 more every 2 years or new generation for the same performance tier.

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I guess the days of increasing perf/$ are over.

 

[happy medium]

I guess the days of increasing perf/$ are over.

not true, you get ~40% more performance for the same price.
the gtx1180 gives you ~40% more performance for the price of a gtx1080ti.
the 1170 should be $200 cheaper than a 1080ti for the same performance.

 

[ZGR]

not true, you get ~40% more performance for the same price.
the gtx1180 gives you ~40% more performance for the price of a gtx1080ti.
the 1170 should be $200 cheaper than a 1080ti for the same performance.

But that price creep is brutal!

 

[Mopetar]

But that price creep is brutal!

I suspect that’s a result of fab costs going up because new nodes are incredibly expensive. NV just passes the extra costs along.

Also, inflation is going to drive up prices. It just seems like more because the numbers are that much larger. It’s the same 10% (made up number, but true for some period of time) for all cards, but 10% of $500 feels like a bigger jump than 10% of $200 even though they both increased in cost by the same 10%.

Add in a lack of AMD competition at the high end due to having a tapped out design that needs a refresh and the fact that it’s better at mining which completely eliminates the supply and drives up prices, and there’s no pressure on NV to eat some of the cost themselves.

 

[Charlie22911]

Are these performance improvements being made at the same power target? I'm more interested in the implications this will have on the next generation of gaming laptops since I am in the market for a new one.

 

[alcoholbob]

not true, you get ~40% more performance for the same price.
the gtx1180 gives you ~40% more performance for the price of a gtx1080ti.
the 1170 should be $200 cheaper than a 1080ti for the same performance.

All signs so far point to a 1180 that will be 3584 cores, same as 1080 Ti, with a clock and memory boost. 10% perf boost is a possibility.

For 1180 to be 40% faster than 1080 Ti it would have to be a fully unlocked GV100 with 5120 cores and 128 ROPs minus the tensor cores, which is not happening at $699 when there's no competition and Nvidia is making a killing with Tesla V100 at 9k and Titan V at 3k.

 

[Qwertilot]

They're not going to release am 1180 unless its enough faster than the 1080ti to be an upgrade for those people. A lot of money at stake there.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Right now I'm more eager to learn if they're on 12nm or 7nm...

As far as competition goes, Nvidia has been its own competitor at the high end and enthusiast level for a long time. So there is competition.

 

[alcoholbob]

They're not going to release am 1180 unless its enough faster than the 1080ti to be an upgrade for those people. A lot of money at stake there.

Because the 1080 was 40% faster than 980 Ti right? And the 980 was 40% faster than 780 Ti right?

 

[Charlie22911]

In my experience a 1080ti is right on the edge of being able to play recent AAA games in 4K at maximum settings at 60FPS, I’d say a xx80 card capable of the above would be a good target, with the xx80ti being capable of higher frame rate (>100FPS) 4K gameplay being a good target as well.

 

[DooKey]

All signs so far point to a 1180 that will be 3584 cores, same as 1080 Ti, with a clock and memory boost. 10% perf boost is a possibility.

For 1180 to be 40% faster than 1080 Ti it would have to be a fully unlocked GV100 with 5120 cores and 128 ROPs minus the tensor cores, which is not happening at $699 when there's no competition and Nvidia is making a killing with Tesla V100 at 9k and Titan V at 3k.

No. The cores on the 1180 will be different cores than Volta and Pascal. You can't go by number of cores to figure out how much of a performance increase the 1180 is going to have.

 

[Qwertilot]

Because the 1080 was 40% faster than 980 Ti right? And the 980 was 40% faster than 780 Ti right?

980ti to 1080 was quite a jump. Not 40% I think but definitely enough to be very clearly ahead and enough for the truly keen to upgrade.

There appear to be an awful lot of those so.......

 

[alcoholbob]

980ti to 1080 was quite a jump. Not 40% I think but definitely enough to be very clearly ahead and enough for the truly keen to upgrade.

There appear to be an awful lot of those so.......

It was about 25% faster because the 1080 stock boost clock was clocked much closer to its limits than the 980 Ti. When both cards are are clocked at their typical clockspeed limit on air there's only a 11-12% difference. From a gaming/silicon potential point of view the 1080 was barely faster than 980 Ti.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Right now I'm more eager to learn if they're on 12nm or 7nm...

As far as competition goes, Nvidia has been its own competitor at the high end and enthusiast level for a long time. So there is competition.

Almost guaranteed to be 12nm. 7nm I don't think is in volume production (if it is, its for mobile chips). Plus Nvidia spent all that money on the special 12nm production. I think the leaks so far are stating its 12nm.

What would be really interesting though is if they make Titan and Ti versions on early 7nm. Maybe call it an 1190Ti or something.

980ti to 1080 was quite a jump. Not 40% I think but definitely enough to be very clearly ahead and enough for the truly keen to upgrade.

There appear to be an awful lot of those so.......

Was it? I could swear I remember a lot of people saying they didn't feel bad for having bought 980Ti a few months before the 1080 as the performance was fairly comparable. And people that bought the 980Ti were both happy and disappointed. Somewhat happy as they didn't feel compelled to upgrade, but disappointed in hoping it would've been worth upgrading. Perhaps that was the ones buying the aftermarket ones that overclocked quite well.

 

[Qwertilot]

Was it? I could swear I remember a lot of people saying they didn't feel bad for having bought 980Ti a few months before the 1080 as the performance was fairly comparable. And people that bought the 980Ti were both happy and disappointed. Somewhat happy as they didn't feel compelled to upgrade, but disappointed in hoping it would've been worth upgrading. Perhaps that was the ones buying the aftermarket ones that overclocked quite well.

Look at the reviews for stock vs stock - the 1070 roughly matched the 980ti & 1080 well ahead.

A little smaller top oc vs top oc although by the time they released the versions with faster memory I'm not so sure.

It wasn't about enough jump to obsolete the 980ti but was enough to feel 'real' and tempt some people. You'd expect 20% minimum as the gap.

 

[tajoh111]

What everyone is forgetting is the main target market for these cards are not gtx 1080 ti owners. It's primarily 1080 owners and below.

If you look at the slide decks of these launches, they always compare it to the direct Gx10x it is replacing. E.g a gtx 1080 is compared to a 980. A gtx 980 is compared with a 680.

This is no coincidence. These companies don't expect people to upgrade annually but every 2 years.

The reason for this staggered launch is Nvidia wants consistent sales throughout the lifecycle of its products. When one product slows down, they launch a new product and refresh the demand for the cycle.

I.e when 1080 sales slow down, they release the 1080 ti. When the 1080 ti sales start slowing down, they release the 1180. The point of this is to maximize revenue by minimizing cannibalization of sales by targeting specific segments during specific periods of time.

There are some people that upgrade to the newest and fastest card with every new flagship launch, but these are not the bulk of Nvidia's customers.

 

[Headfoot]

There are some people that upgrade to the newest and fastest card with every new flagship launch, but these are not the bulk of Nvidia's customers.

But I'd suspect they are a big chunk of the profit on the GeForce line.

 

[jpiniero]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-turing-faq,37067.html

Toms claims FE cards will be released in July. So an announcement soon at least is not out of the question.

 

[LTC8K6]

Fists full of cash are poised and ready...

 

[DaveSimmons]

1180ti by Christmas? My 980ti is still doing fine, but shiny newness appeals to me.

 

[jpiniero]

1180ti by Christmas? My 980ti is still doing fine, but shiny newness appeals to me.

Probably not by Christmas. I actually think the next one that would be faster will be a 7nm Titan, and priced like a Titan.

 

[Qwertilot]

Quite possible in a technical sense - they'll surely go big with a compute based 7nm GPU the moment its half possible and it'll probably be technically the fastest thing out for games.

The compute business is doing incredibly well though, so not sure they'll get any free dies for even a half gaming titan for quite a while.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-turing-faq,37067.html

Toms claims FE cards will be released in July. So an announcement soon at least is not out of the question.

I haven't found them to he very reliable, and as always they're awfully cryptic with their 'sources', which smells like made up to me.

Also, no event has been announced - and Nvidia does like to out their gaming cards at their own events.

Side note: I wish there were aftermarket cooling with custom PCB titans :/