[WCCF] AMD Radeon R9 390X Pictured

[boozzer]

if it is 599$ for the 8gb version, that would 100% be my card

 

[Techhog]

People, remember that 360/370/380 are OEM chips. Keep your eyes open for 370X, 380X and 390/390X.

Here are the latest price ive heard from Korea (rumor per moderators request):

R9 370X - $229
R9 380X - $349
R9 390 - $429
R9 390X 4GB - $549
R9 390X 8GB -$599

You may notice that R9 380X cost $100 more than R9 290X.
Lets just say GTX 980 will get some serious competition.

Its a reason why AMD only announced and listed the non-X chips. Announcements should come eventually

Cut it out. Do you really care this much about getting attention?

 

[Kippa]

I see there is an 390x water cooled version, is there going to be an air cooled version as well without the use of water cooling?

 

[Techhog]

I see there is an 390x water cooled version, is there going to be an air cooled version as well without the use of water cooling?

Probably, but we don't know for sure. Don't listen to anyone here giving definite answers

 

[destrekor]

Translation please?

He was referring to G1/4 fittings, a standard connector in open-loop water cooling components.

So it might be sold with a dedicated CLC/AIO setup, but might be compatible with open-loop systems for people who want to throw the card into their current loop.

I am curious how this compatibility would be achieved, considering it is most likely that the pump is integrated in the card, all CLC/AIO coolers are made that way. It would be weird and mess with the dimensions if the pump was added to the radiator assembly, though not at all impossible, just highly unlikely IMHO.

Would having essentially a second pump in your open-loop system actually create any issues? If you have a full system and add in this card, could the integrated pump continue to run and not degrade cooling performance for the rest of the system? I don't know how the different water pressures would behave in such a setup.

 

[Creig]

I can't see $599 for an 8GB WCE R9 390X. That seems way too low. I think that pricing list may be setting people up for disappointment. Let's all try to keep in mind that everything, including those pics, are unconfirmed and potentially incorrect.

 

[Techhog]

He was referring to G1/4 fittings, a standard connector in open-loop water cooling components.

So it might be sold with a dedicated CLC/AIO setup, but might be compatible with open-loop systems for people who want to throw the card into their current loop.

I am curious how this compatibility would be achieved, considering it is most likely that the pump is integrated in the card, all CLC/AIO coolers are made that way. It would be weird and mess with the dimensions if the pump was added to the radiator assembly, though not at all impossible, just highly unlikely IMHO.

Would having essentially a second pump in your open-loop system actually create any issues? If you have a full system and add in this card, could the integrated pump continue to run and not degrade cooling performance for the rest of the system? I don't know how the different water pressures would behave in such a setup.

It's definitely true, though. Look at the ports. This is meant to be convertible into a single-slot card.

 

[Techhog]

I can't see $599 for an 8GB WCE R9 390X. That seems way too low. I think that pricing list may be setting people up for disappointment. Let's all try to keep in mind that everything, including those pics, are unconfirmed and potentially incorrect.

That price list is made up. Ignore it.

 

[TemjinGold]

Cloudfire: Are those US prices? Or what people in Korea will pay? I would totally get the 8gb day 1 if that was true!

 

[Erenhardt]

He was referring to G1/4 fittings, a standard connector in open-loop water cooling components.

So it might be sold with a dedicated CLC/AIO setup, but might be compatible with open-loop systems for people who want to throw the card into their current loop.

I am curious how this compatibility would be achieved, considering it is most likely that the pump is integrated in the card, all CLC/AIO coolers are made that way. It would be weird and mess with the dimensions if the pump was added to the radiator assembly, though not at all impossible, just highly unlikely IMHO.

Would having essentially a second pump in your open-loop system actually create any issues? If you have a full system and add in this card, could the integrated pump continue to run and not degrade cooling performance for the rest of the system? I don't know how the different water pressures would behave in such a setup.

There is Antec KÜHLER H2O 650 - all in one CPU liquid cooler with a separate pump attached to the rad/fan.

It doesn't have threaded connectors thou... But pump is not always integrated into a block.

 

[destrekor]

There is Antec KÜHLER H2O 650 - all in one CPU liquid cooler with a separate pump attached to the rad/fan.

It doesn't have threaded connectors thou... But pump is not always integrated into a block.

That... is very interesting. Thanks! Had no idea such a model existed.

I wonder if AMD might ship a hybrid variant, as well as offer a dedicated model with only the water block. Or if they would at least make available an option to drain the system, disconnect the fittings, and connect to your own loop. An integrated CLC/AIO could ship with standard fittings on the card-end, perhaps taped up or something

 

[Despoiler]

I don't think you'd want to run two pumps unless they provided close or the same flow characteristics. If one was much more strong than the other it would increase the pressure in the loop towards the slower pump and conversely the loop from the slow pump to faster would get water starved.

 

[AdamK47]

Does it have an Asetek AIO cooler with quick connects?

 

[boozzer]

That price list is made up. Ignore it.

when it is too good to be true, it is of course I would love to be wrong.

 

[RussianSensation]

I can't see $599 for an 8GB WCE R9 390X. That seems way too low. I think that pricing list may be setting people up for disappointment. Let's all try to keep in mind that everything, including those pics, are unconfirmed and potentially incorrect.

I agree that $599 for doubling the HBM + AIO CLC is not realistic. I think the WCE might be $699-749. The other prices though, they kinda do look realistic.

R9 380X @ $350

Remember for a new gen, AMD tends to aims to release its next-gen mid-range about as fast as the last gen flagship at lower prices. $549 HD7970Ghz --> $299 R9 280X. It's not unreasonable to see $549 290X --> R9 390X $349. Maybe they can give it a 10% increase in GPU clocks and you have a card that's $200 less than the 980 with 93-95% of the performance. What if R9 380X is a 3072 SP + 4GB HBM design?

R9 390 @ $430

Not that unreasonable considering R9 290 was $399. I think people forget just how disruptive the R9 290 was. GTX780 was $650 and even after a $150 price cut, it performed worse than the $400 reference R9 290. $1K Titan was barely as fast as the reference blower 290!

That means overnight AMD delivered a card faster than NV's $650 780 and nearly as fast as NV's $1000 card. What's interesting is that after $400 R9 290, NV didn't bother lower the price of the 780 or the Titan. They just kept selling the slower and less VRAM equipped 780 for $500 and later AIBs dropped the prices of the 780 to $400-450 with rebates but NV released a 780 6GB at $550 to keep prices high. That means even if R9 390 beats 980 at $430, NV might not care and keep selling a slower card for $450-500.

 

[3DVagabond]

With such slow node progression and ever-demanding applications like HPC and VR, discrete isn't going away for a very long time. I wouldn't call the strategy short term.....

Hopefully AMD can end the practice with their upcoming parts.

We'll have to see what HBM on APU's does. That's the future. You could be right that it might not be for a long time though.

 

[3DVagabond]

There is a 3GB 3200SP card out there, apparently.
SiSoftware Official Live Ranker Details for Result ID AMD Radeon R9 200 Series (3200SP 40C 947MHz, 3GB) (OpenCL)

some are speculating that this is the often rumored "full fat Hawaii" chip.

 

[ShintaiDK]

There is a 3GB 3200SP card out there, apparently.
SiSoftware Official Live Ranker Details for Result ID AMD Radeon R9 200 Series (3200SP 40C 947MHz, 3GB) (OpenCL)

some are speculating that this is the often rumored "full fat Hawaii" chip.

I think it was contributed to the 64/80 error. So what you look at may be a regular 290.

For some reason some cards gets 80 Sps per cluster and not 64. Cut down Tonga for example is also listed as 2240SPs. Its just not a very trusty place.

http://www.sisoftware.eu/rank2011d/...efdceedfeed7e1c7b588b89efb9ea393b5c6fbc3&l=en

Not to mention this 290X with 3520SP:
http://www.sisoftware.eu/rank2011d/...dbe6dee9dfe6d5f381bc8caacfaa97a781f2cff7&l=en

 

[Subyman]

He was referring to G1/4 fittings, a standard connector in open-loop water cooling components.

So it might be sold with a dedicated CLC/AIO setup, but might be compatible with open-loop systems for people who want to throw the card into their current loop.

I am curious how this compatibility would be achieved, considering it is most likely that the pump is integrated in the card, all CLC/AIO coolers are made that way. It would be weird and mess with the dimensions if the pump was added to the radiator assembly, though not at all impossible, just highly unlikely IMHO.

Would having essentially a second pump in your open-loop system actually create any issues? If you have a full system and add in this card, could the integrated pump continue to run and not degrade cooling performance for the rest of the system? I don't know how the different water pressures would behave in such a setup.

I would think you could deactivate the onboard pump and use your dedicated pump. It would add a bit of resistance to spin the dead pump, but not much. Also, they both could run without an issue. People have been running dual pumps for a long time. Adds redundancy.

An interesting option could be buy a water block and add the CPU to the GPU loop using the GPU's pump. You could also do away with the ref 120mm rad and add an aftermarket 240/360 rad if you wanted to while still using the GPU pump. If you had crossfire, you could connect both loops and have two pumps working. The G1/4 threads open a ton of possibilities and could make for a sweet modular watercooling set up.

 

[Cloudfire777]

My thoughts regarding AMD`s upcoming cards:

R9 370X: $229
What card do we have that cost $229? R9 285.
Would less cores make sense, ie worse value? If no, what if 370X is 1792 cores + HBM?
Say HBM bring +10% in performance over GDDR5. 45 * 1.10 = 50%. Now you are at R9 280X performance. Say 370X is higher clocked than R9 285, 918MHz >>> ~980MHz. Thats another 10%. 50 * 1.10 = 55%.
Suddenly GTX 780 performance that was rumored isn`t a stretch after all...
https://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_Titan_X/images/perfrel_2560.gif


R9 380X: $349
We know some cards will be Hawaii blend. R9 270 isnt, R9 280 isnt either.
380X will cost $100 more than R9 290X. Would a downgrade make sense? Hell no.
What if R9 380X is 2816 cores + HBM? Add +7% from GCN 1.0 which 290X is to GCN 1.3, then +10% from HBM.
Where are you at then? 70% * 1.07 = 75%. 75% x 1.10 = 83%.
Thats 10% faster than GTX 980...

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Cloudfire: Are those US prices? Or what people in Korea will pay? I would totally get the 8gb day 1 if that was true!

He didnt say but I think it is US price

Cut it out. Do you really care this much about getting attention?

No but I post the information I find. It makes these threads more interesting and I think the public should see the leaks too. As for all speculation, take everything with salt of course. But the leaker seems trustworthy. We will see.

I can't see $599 for an 8GB WCE R9 390X. That seems way too low. I think that pricing list may be setting people up for disappointment. Let's all try to keep in mind that everything, including those pics, are unconfirmed and potentially incorrect.

Again, it may not be the WCE. It could be a cheaper air cooled 8GB model. The guy didnt specify WCE or anything. Just amount of HBM

 

[MrTeal]

Swiftech makes a couple CLCs that have the pump/reservoir mounted to the radiator and just use a waterblock for the CPU.

Their systems are bordering more on preassembled and filled open loop coolers though, given how easy they are to open and expand.

 

[ShintaiDK]

My thoughts regarding AMD`s upcoming cards:

R9 370X: $229
What card do we have that cost $229? R9 285.
Would less cores make sense, ie worse value? If no, what if 370X is 1792 cores + HBM?
Say HBM bring +10% in performance over GDDR5. 45 * 1.10 = 50%. Now you are at R9 280X performance. Say 370X is higher clocked than R9 285, 918MHz >>> ~980MHz. Thats another 10%. 50 * 1.10 = 55%.
Suddenly GTX 780 performance that was rumored isn`t a stretch after all...
https://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_Titan_X/images/perfrel_2560.gif


R9 380X: $349
We know some cards will be Hawaii blend. R9 270 isnt, R9 280 isnt either.
380X will cost $100 more than R9 290X. Would a downgrade make sense? Hell no.
What if R9 380X is 2816 cores + HBM? Add +7% from GCN 1.0 which 290X is to GCN 1.3, then +10% from HBM.
Where are you at then? 70% * 1.07 = 75%. 75% x 1.10 = 83%.
Thats 10% faster than GTX 980...

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He didnt say but I think it is US price

Do you even believe what you post anymore?

 

[StereoPixel]

 

[Cloudfire777]

Do you even believe what you post anymore?

What shouldn`t I believe?
That AMD will not offer roughly same value as 200 series with the 300 series?
That HBM won`t give performance gains?
That OEM chips isnt different than retail cards?

Hilbert from Guru3D

AMD released its specs for the OEM models of the Radeon R9 380, Radeon R9 370 and Radeon R9 360. These all are based on existing chips and designs. I specifically will add the keyword OEM here as the actual retail products might differ in specs a little

- Earlier drivers listed only R9 360 and R9 370. No X-cards.
- AMD announced only R9 360, 370 and 380. Why no X-cards? Why wait with 370X and 380X if the cards is rebrands just like the other announced cards?
- Notice they say GPU`s in this slide? Meaning more than 1.

 

[.vodka]

That is certainly a good argument. That could be a good way of making the last remnants of old GPUs go away for good through the OEMs.

Well, here's hoping for the X cards not to be rebrands.