[WCCF] AMD Radeon R9 390X Pictured

[Alatar]

I think the only GPU intensive AAA title on that list are GTA V, Project Cars & Witcher 3.

Clearly you haven't really seen any material from the next batman game or the next MGS...

If anything batman, MGS and witcher 3 are the GPU stressers. GTA V and pCARS are also hugely CPU bound.

GTA V is pretty good showing from AMD since Rockstar went neutral. R290X is within 10% of 980.. unless you believe pclab.pl!

The average from all the reviews is worse for the 290X. Guru3d that for example showed 290X close to 980 was an outlier.

Also Project Cars, not too bad for a GameWorks title, surprisingly it has functional CF so soon at release, very non-typical compared to other GW titles:

This again depends on which review you believe. The gamegpu one is by far the most positive for AMD which is because they used a rainy scene to test the GPUs. And they also minimized the CPU load by not having any AI drivers in their test scene. Best case scenario for AMD for pCARS. (I've had the game for a few years now, the performance variations between solo/AI opponents and clear/rain are pretty extreme)

In situations where the GPUs aren't stressed as much as in rainy weather AMD gets hammered.

better source than both pclab.pl or gamegpu:

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Project-CARS-PC-238576/Specials/Benchmark-Test-1158026/

 

[destrekor]

So, no blower.

The block must be covering the VRMs then.

With that style of water-cooling tube connection, it definitely looks like a full-card, or at least partial-card block, as opposed to the standard AIO.

Remember, with the 295X2, all you see is the tubes coming out of the shroud, you don't see the physical connections, because the connections are integrated in the cooler/pump assembly.

It looks like the pump will be integrated in the card somewhere, but there will be channeling and a block that covers a fair portion of the card. Seems to be the only reason they'd have what appears to be the tube connection of a true water block as opposed to the tubes entering the shroud.

I can't wait to see the full reveal of the internals. HBM is really going to shake things up, SFF case owners are going to be in heaven even for the air-cooled variants, because the card does not need such massive PCB lengths. Though as others have shown and mentioned, some air-cooled variants with have extended shrouds to incorporate additional fans or a blower style.

I wouldn't be worried about weight of extended cooling assemblies, because adding a full-cover backplate that is integrated with the extended shroud would provide the rigidity that would be required.

 

[therealnickdanger]

Doesn't look exactly like a beast at first glance.

I've always been a fan of sleeper cars, so this is exciting to me. Looks like the start of an incredibly tiny QuadFire build.

 

[Silverforce11]

@Alatar

I don't trust sites that had GTA V performance where the 770 was faster than R290X like pclab.pl or anyone else who claims a 670 is faster than a R290X.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015...igpu_performance_review_part_2/4#.VUtz__mqpBc

AMD is very competitive in GTA V, much more than your crap sites with no rep suggest.

Also, overclock.net ran a video benchmark with actual proof of their bench showing R290X is within 10% of a 980. Eurogamer.net also did a video benchmark of all their GPUs, including a live fps comparison chart of the run-through. You cannot beat that for proof.

Also:
"In situations where the GPUs aren't stressed as much as in rainy weather AMD gets hammered."

Makes no sense. Weather effects = more GPU stress.
Note the performance obtained from pcgameshardware.de

Even a 960 is pulling 55 fps average with 51 fps min. MAXED. Believable? Hardly. Useless shill benches are obviously useless.

 

[csbin]

With that style of water-cooling tube connection, it definitely looks like a full-card, or at least partial-card block, as opposed to the standard AIO.

Remember, with the 295X2, all you see is the tubes coming out of the shroud, you don't see the physical connections, because the connections are integrated in the cooler/pump assembly.

It looks like the pump will be integrated in the card somewhere, but there will be channeling and a block that covers a fair portion of the card. Seems to be the only reason they'd have what appears to be the tube connection of a true water block as opposed to the tubes entering the shroud.

I can't wait to see the full reveal of the internals. HBM is really going to shake things up, SFF case owners are going to be in heaven even for the air-cooled variants, because the card does not need such massive PCB lengths. Though as others have shown and mentioned, some air-cooled variants with have extended shrouds to incorporate additional fans or a blower style.

I wouldn't be worried about weight of extended cooling assemblies, because adding a full-cover backplate that is integrated with the extended shroud would provide the rigidity that would be required.

Similar intel Xeon Phi HBM Memory

 

[n0x1ous]

This thing keeps getting more interesting. if the VRM's are under water too then even better. Don't see how I am going to be able to resist this on launch day.

 

[Kenmitch]

Clearly you haven't really seen any material from the next batman game or the next MGS...

If anything batman, MGS and witcher 3 are the GPU stressers. GTA V and pCARS are also hugely CPU bound.



The average from all the reviews is worse for the 290X. Guru3d that for example showed 290X close to 980 was an outlier.



This again depends on which review you believe. The gamegpu one is by far the most positive for AMD which is because they used a rainy scene to test the GPUs. And they also minimized the CPU load by not having any AI drivers in their test scene. Best case scenario for AMD for pCARS. (I've had the game for a few years now, the performance variations between solo/AI opponents and clear/rain are pretty extreme)

In situations where the GPUs aren't stressed as much as in rainy weather AMD gets hammered.

better source than both pclab.pl or gamegpu:

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Project-CARS-PC-238576/Specials/Benchmark-Test-1158026/

The only thing your link proves is the game is heavily optimized for nvidia. Guess it's how you keep ahead these days. On a level playing field the pecking order drastically changes.

Even being a current GTX 970 owner I don't condone such practices.

If such practices continue I guess AIB's can just invent hybrid cards with both a AMD and NVIDIA GPU so a person can play any game.

There is a reason NVIDIA is taking there current approach to fight AMD. Hint it's not product superiority.

 

[MrTeal]

This thing keeps getting more interesting. if the VRM's are under water too then even better. Don't see how I am going to be able to resist this on launch day.

I wonder about the performance of the pump, but hopefully it's easy to remove or bypass. In a dream scenario, the pump would be external and the board (and driver) would have separate PWM channels with their own fan profiles.

 

[Techhog]

It did. It beat it at 4K, it beat it at CF vs SLI. This was at launch.
Then after Maxwell's launch, we've seen Kepler performance drop off and its been a win for Hawaii vs GK110 even at 1440p. You must have not noticed many recent games that show R290X 10% behind 980 and faster than 780ti.

That's 438mm2 vs 551mm2.

Now we're expecting a big AMD GPU ~550mm2 can't match or beat GM200 at 600mm2? Unrealistic, as it would be going backwards.

The big AMD GPU doesn't exist. That's the simple answer.

 

[iiiankiii]

There's a very clear justification right here in mid 2015, and it's a good legit one too.

Games.

What are the GPU intensive high profile games coming out or big ones being played?

GTA V
Project CARS
Witcher 3
Batman
MGS:V

AMD will start having a better games landscape once the big EA releases roll around but right now the hot titles are one NV sponsored game after another.

All GameWorks. That's why GameWorks sucks. Closed API designed to gimp the competition. Strictly an anti-competitive move in my opinion.

When a GTX 660ti is just as fast a 290x, you know something is horrible wrong. Developers should be ashame of such a lack of optimization.

AMD is facing an uphill battle. They can have the better hardware and still lose because of shady practice such as GameWorks. The 390x is turning out to be a well engineered card, too. It's a shame.

 

[Jacky60]

I really don't like the idea of having such a tiny card in my huge case. I want a fully grown man-sized card not a little 6 inch tiddler. Man-Up AMD and gimme a proper full size card then we'll talk about performance.

 

[Techhog]

I really don't like the idea of having such a tiny card in my huge case. I want a fully grown man-sized card not a little 6 inch tiddler. Man-UP AMD and gimme a proper full size card then we'll talk about performance.

Someone's compensating.

 

[therealnickdanger]

I really don't like the idea of having such a tiny card in my huge case. I want a fully grown man-sized card not a little 6 inch tiddler. Man-Up AMD and gimme a proper full size card then we'll talk about performance.

If it wasn't for the fact that you are running dual 6990s, I would call you a troll. In all seriousness... why must cards be so huge? HBM eliminates the need!

 

[Subyman]

Yeah, I don't understand people wanting a large card. Do you want a briefcase cell phone too?

I'll love the smaller cards. I had a hard time fitting a 970 WF into my new mATX case, so this will be much appreciated.

I hope they make a version with a G1/4 thread option so enthusiasts with dedicated loops can slap them in with ease. I wouldn't be surprised if someone machines an adapter if these truly are full cover and not the standard AIO design.

 

[StereoPixel]

Similar intel Xeon Phi HBM Memory

Xeon Phi has HMC Memory, not HBM

 

[boozzer]

I just realized something. if 380x is as fast or faster than 980, that means russian's assertion that 980 is just a mid range is 100% true!

that means nvidia fans has been buying a mid range card like the 460/660ti for 550$, woah. I am surprise nv fans aren't mad about it

damn, this is the longest 3 weeks ever! I want more info!

 

[TemjinGold]

You know, $/inch could end up being the metric the green team pushes if 390X is a hit...

 

[Subyman]

I just realized something. if 380x is as fast or faster than 980, that means russian's assertion that 980 is just a mid range is 100% true!

that means nvidia fans has been buying a mid range card like the 460/660ti for 550$, woah. I am surprise nv fans aren't mad about it

That is obvious IMO. It has been that way since the 680.

 

[96Firebird]

Who defines mid-range?

If we look at the actual word, it would be defined as the middle of the range. If the 380x is the middle, and go on history, we can assume there will be a 390, 390X, and 395X above. Below, there would be a 380, 370X, and 370...

Tell me where the other cards fit in?

 

[Headfoot]

I went ahead and looked at some of the featured mid tower cases on newegg. Most have a single 120 or 200mm fan rear mounted. Until you go full tower, you don't see 2x120 become common. Mid towers just won't have the space.

As for the size of the cooler, it doesn't make sense for it to be a 1x120. The article guesses what it is from the picture. A 120mm rad is capable of dissipating what, 100W with a fan that won't be silent? Think about this for a second - CPUs with TDPs below 100W are using 2x120 radiators. What does that say for a GPU that will be in excess of 100W?

Why do fanboys look at leaks and then *scream* at the top of their lungs as if the leak is the gospel truth?

The 295x2 uses a single 1x120. A simple google would have revealed this, not to mention people repeatedly pointing you in that direction. Jesus christ.

 

[Subyman]

Who defines mid-range?

If we look at the actual word, it would be defined as the middle of the range. If the 380x is the middle, and go on history, we can assume there will be a 390, 390X, and 395X above. Below, there would be a 380, 370X, and 370...

Tell me where the other cards fit in?

I am speaking of what used to be mid-range is now sold as high end, and what used to be high end is now sold as ultra luxury. It is semantics, but nvidia managed to move what used to be a $500-600 card into an exclusive $1000 card and then replace the large die $500-600 price bracket with a small die card that used to be in the $200-300 range. They managed to shift their technology upwards in price. This was mainly done because it could be. The small die cards competed well with AMD's top end cards, which left room for nvidia to shift into ultra luxury category.

As the generation proceeds, Nvidia simply steps a version of the large die GPU down into lower price brackets and slots the fastest small die in as a mid-range card. We saw this with the 680 -> 770 and the Titan -> 780.

Its relative to their previous strategy. The real definition of mid-range/high-end is simply pricing structure and number of units moved.

 

[boozzer]

Who defines mid-range?

If we look at the actual word, it would be defined as the middle of the range. If the 380x is the middle, and go on history, we can assume there will be a 390, 390X, and 395X above. Below, there would be a 380, 370X, and 370...

Tell me where the other cards fit in?

instead of being mad, you are defending nv!!! I think whichever company nv hires for their marketing needs a helluva raise, they are worth it.

 

[Headfoot]

Yeah, I don't understand people wanting a large card. Do you want a briefcase cell phone too?

I need a cell phone that runs on a pull start 4cycle gas motor so I can mod it with a supercharger and chop the exhaust more power. I'll just yell into the mouthpiece louder

 

[96Firebird]

Sorry, let me put my angry face on and throw a fit on a forum!

Subyman, your explanation makes sense, but who should boozzer really be mad at? Nvidia for trying to maximize profits, or AMD for allowing them to do it due to lack of competition?

 

[Tuna-Fish]

Similar intel Xeon Phi HBM Memory

No, that's MCDRAM. The difference is that HBM will be built on a silicon interposer, while the memory chips on your image are on an organic substrate. The Intel solution will likely be cheaper and have better yields, but it can't quite match the kind of bandwidth or latencies that HBM can provide.

HBM will be stacked even closer.