WCCF: AMD’s Flagship ‘Fiji XT GPU’ Debuts Radeon’s Titan Equivalent Branding

[Cloudfire777]

Incorrect. There is a logic die at the bottom of the stack, but it does not house what most people would call the controller.

Why don`t you be helpful and post this instead 😉

 

[twjr]

Those pictures look to me like XFX has just swapped the shroud on the cooler and painted the backplate matte black. Everything else about the card looks identical to the 290X. I suppose they could reuse the PCB design even with a different chip. But it does look a lot like they are going to ship 290s as 390s. It just doesn't make much sense to me why AMD would do this. They haven't been selling their current cards and I can't see how a name change is going to change that.

 

[jamesgalb]

We know this about 390X:

Benchmarks:
Firestrike Extreme 2779
Can`t remember the name of the benchmark 😛
Both putting it slightly below GTX 980 and slightly above 290X.

Power:
8+8 which happens to be the same as OC 290X models (and Fury X).

Price:
$449


If I should be bold and guess, I would think the Fiji cards are the real deal with power reduction and performance, while 390X and below are just rebrands with higher clocks.

This is some BS rumor spreading and needs to end. Quit posting "we know" and then linking rumors and speculation and BS click-bait articles/charts from shameless tech sites.

Your 'videocardz' chart lists 2 OCed NVidia models just to list more NVidia products at the top, and then shows a 970 to 980 type separation in a Hawaii XT to PRO with speculation of only 50mhz clock difference.... If you don't see that as a shameless NVidia promotion, then it really is sad.

 

[Vesku]

GDDR5 so this isn't Fiji (the interposer using chip shown by Lisa Su) so why is it in this thread?

 

[Cloudfire777]

Those pictures look to me like XFX has just swapped the shroud on the cooler and painted the backplate matte black. Everything else about the card looks identical to the 290X. I suppose they could reuse the PCB design even with a different chip. But it does look a lot like they are going to ship 290s as 390s. It just doesn't make much sense to me why AMD would do this. They haven't been selling their current cards and I can't see how a name change is going to change that.

GTX 980: $499, 4GB GDDR5
R9 390X: $400-449, 8GB GDDR5
Both pretty close in performance.

I think thats enough reason for AMD to try to get some profit this time over the price dumping they did previously with 290X.

Pretty sure 290X will be discontinued as well

 

[Gikaseixas]

GDDR5 so this isn't Fiji (the interposer using chip shown by Lisa Su) so why is it in this thread?

when some put the competition in a bad light... Job accomplished

 

[Abwx]

No we don't
So you really think that AMD would charge $449 for a card that performs worse than GTX 980 in almost every metric? This lack of logic is concerning 😵

Historically AMD has always shooted for the price/perf crown, those insinuating that it could be otherwise with the new line up are just deluding themsleves.

 

[eRacer]

No we don't
So you really think that AMD would charge $449 for a card that performs worse than GTX 980 in almost every metric? This lack of logic is concerning

Historically AMD has always shooted for the price/perf crown, those insinuating that it could be otherwise with the new line up are just deluding themsleves.

You are wrong again. No one is deluding themselves for believing in a $449 390X 8GB price tag. It is a very realistic MSRP equal to what XFX already has set for their current 290X 8GB card.

Some people confuse MSRP with (MSRP - weekend sale price - mail in rebate - coupon - Visa checkout discount). Just because a card has an MSRP doesn't mean it has to always sell at that price.

 

[3DVagabond]

The point is that I find AMD to be a great value purchase for the raw performance I get to money spent. But as my income increases, I will end up purchasing Nvidia's product as I have less time to do work arounds or whatever to get key features I want working.

I am sure I am not the only person who feels that way and that's a problem for AMD. You want your brand to get less sales with people of higher income vs your competitor.

I'm saying that if AMD wants to create a premium line, it needs to remove the stigma that the driver support is nonexistant so I'm curious to see if they've improved drivers/software as the early rumors we had said that fiji was ready and they were working on drivers.

You are just jumping to conclusions. Between your complete lack of science and using one rumor, how can you actually believe that this is the answer?

I don't expect AMD to retrofit features to older products. The best we should expect is continued support for a reasonable time. Not like the 780 ti going from ~10% faster than the 290X to as much as 20% slower in a matter of a few months like we are seeing now. And this is with GW titles. If you think that's money better spent, then you can do that. I don't think this will be universally accepted though.

 

[flopper]

Not like the 780 ti going from ~10% faster than the 290X to as much as 20% slower in a matter of a few months like we are seeing now. And this is with GW titles.

one reason amd is superb they have a better future for your money.

 

[3DVagabond]

In the picture there's 'Lifetime warranty only at best buy'. Is this the norm for XFX?

No. It's possibly an OEM type model just for Best Buy? Very confusing. 😕

 

[chubbyfatazn]

No. It's possibly an OEM type model just for Best Buy? Very confusing. 😕

I'm guessing it's like those TV ads you hear where they end with "save more - only at [insert store name here]."

BB may very well be the only retailer in certain geographical areas carrying such a high-end card.

 

[thilanliyan]

We know this about 390X:

No...you don't.
Please stop posting rumour as fact. The mods already asked you to stop as well.

 

[Silverforce11]

We know this about 390X:

Benchmarks:
Firestrike Extreme 2779
Can`t remember the name of the benchmark 😛
Both putting it slightly below GTX 980 and slightly above 290X.

Power:
8+8 which happens to be the same as OC 290X models (and Fury X).

Price:
$449


If I should be bold and guess, I would think the Fiji cards are the real deal with power reduction and performance, while 390X and below are just rebrands with higher clocks.

So rumors = facts for you?

Also what do you mean "If I should be bold and guess"... dude, you've been stating it as if its fact for months that everything except Fiji is a straight re-brand. One time, you even pushed the idea that the 390X (when it was rumored to be Fiji) as being "Only 20% faster than 980!". You still think Fiji is only 20% above 980?

 

[SolMiester]

You are just jumping to conclusions. Between your complete lack of science and using one rumor, how can you actually believe that this is the answer?

I don't expect AMD to retrofit features to older products. The best we should expect is continued support for a reasonable time. Not like the 780 ti going from ~10% faster than the 290X to as much as 20% slower in a matter of a few months like we are seeing now. And this is with GW titles. If you think that's money better spent, then you can do that. I don't think this will be universally accepted though.

I dont think that is his conclusion, but his opinion!, and one that I also share along with others I have seen mention this before.

 

[Abwx]

You are wrong again. No one is deluding themselves for believing in a $449 390X 8GB price tag. It is a very realistic MSRP equal to what XFX already has set for their current 290X 8GB card.

Some people confuse MSRP with (MSRP - weekend sale price - mail in rebate - coupon - Visa checkout discount). Just because a card has an MSRP doesn't mean it has to always sell at that price.

You are wrong, and completely wrong , i said that they target the perf/price ratio, nowhere did i say that it wont be priced at 449$, do the conclusions you want...

 

[guskline]

Gosh, June 16 can't get here soon enough!

 

[Azix]

half way there.

 

[tential]

I dont think that is his conclusion, but his opinion!, and one that I also share along with others I have seen mention this before.

Thank you. Like right now, I'm looking at buying a Fury X.
If my income doubled?

I'd already have two Titan X in SLI

Thing is, AMD's value proposition fades away as you move towards the high end and the buyers have more and more disposable income. I see it as a huge problem for the Fury X in the premium market where the buyers have more money they may simply purchase Nvidia because Nvidia is more in with the devs, has better/more software features and better/faster driver support.
One can cite gameworks as a reason why AMD struggles but when a person spends (just hypothetical price now), $850 on a graphics card, they don't care that AMD doesn't get access to Gameworks games. If that's such a large issue, they may just spend the extra $150 (Which at that price point isn't much), and get the Titan X. Even if the Titan X is slower, and more expensive, the better support and also lets not even forget resale value too.

I'm not knocking AMD, I'm just saying that I wonder if they've put extra effort into the driver/software side of things to alleviate those concerns for the high end buyer.

There's a lot more I want to get into, but I just see that as a large problem for AMD on the high end. Gameworks especially is a large hurdle for them to jump over.

 

[Azix]

Fury X in the premium market where the buyers have more money they may simply purchase Nvidia because Nvidia is more in with the devs, has better/more software features and better/faster driver support.

Nvidia doesn't have better support and I doubt they are more in with the devs. They update drivers more often and that can be good and bad. The more frequent updates mean a greater likelihood of something breaking. It also means the updates are less significant. It's not typical to expect hardware driver updates every month anyway. Not if the hardware was made right. If the buyer is fooled by these things then sure, but if not then I don't see why spending more on nvidia would always be the choice.

To avoid being sabotaged by gameworks? maybe. I was thinking the same thing when I bought a 970, then nvidia pulled a nvidia on me. There is always the risk nvidia will make your investment less worthwhile. Plus gameworks was not very impressive. I was facepalming so hard during some of their gameworks trailers. Even though I had a 970 I wasn't excited in the least.

If fiji is better the more discerning consumer will buy it. The ones that fall for nvidias PR won't and unfortunately there are a crap ton of those.

 

[flopper]

Nvidia is more in with the devs, has better/more software features and better/faster driver support.

No they dont Nvidia is worse than AMD and been for some time.
your own perception is clouded as you belive what you want to believe besed on the wrong things. Major reason reviews stopped measuring Fcat was due to worse Nvidia result and drivers. Called money and bribes aka support.
Many review sites are tight with money and wont do a bad review.
they wont get cards the next time.

 

[tential]

Since you guys both brought up gameworks, the consumer paying $850+ doesn't care the reasoning why AMD games don't work well in Gameworks titles. They just want them to work.

You guys seem to somehow think I'm in love with Nvidia. This is just my opinion that when it comes to users with more and more disposable income, AMD is going to have a hardtime saying those users without doing more to alleviate the percepion that their drivers aren't good. They'll need more partnerships for games, and need to ensure that gameworks titles are up and running ASAP.
Etc.

Otherwise, it won't matter how great of a product AMD has. If it's gimped in a bunch of titles, and crossfire doesn't work in a bunch of those titles, people will purchase the Titan X, even if it's not as good because it has greater compatibility across titles.

 

[Azix]

Buying nvidia clearly doesn't guarantee gameworks will work though, does it? It also doesn't guarantee it will work well. We've seen that already.

 

[Headfoot]

thus validating the strategy, hook line and sinker

 

[Silverforce11]

Tential, if you value gameworks so much, did you know that FC4 had broken SLI for months after release? Major game-breaking bugs relating to rendering glitches.

WatchDogs didn't have good SLI scaling at all and stuttered horribly with SLI.

ACU was bug ridden, missing textures, floating objects..

Witcher 3, the GW HairWorks is an utter joke. Crippling performance for some fluff. Funny enough it runs better on AMD with a tessellation override. But at least Proj Red optimized their engine on all hardware (except Kepler), kudos.

I used to be worried about GW as an AMD user, but its quite clear, those games ship broken full of bugs, and its mostly due to Ubisoft. It's best to steer clear of Ubi's games for a few months before the patches fixes issues, regardless of your GPU hardware.