Washington Post: Bowe Bergdahl Faces Charges of Desertion

[emperus]

Yeah these words look ridiculous now,

a Memorial Day message in which she urged Americans to keep Army Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl “in our thoughts and prayers.” She added, “I renew my call on the Defense Department to redouble its efforts to find Sergeant Bergdahl and return him safely to his family."

or this

“I would support. Obviously I’d have to know the details, but I would support ways of bringing him home, and if exchange was one of them, I think that would be something I think we should seriously consider.”

But wait those were Republican Senators Ayotte and Mccain respectively.

 

[rudeguy]

Yeah these words look ridiculous now,



or this



But wait those were Republican Senators Ayotte and Mccain respectively.

Because in both of those quotes they said we should violate international and US law while trading him for 5 terrorists.

Your shill is showing.

 

[emperus]

Because in both of those quotes they said we should violate international and US law while trading him for 5 terrorists.

Your shill is showing.

You should probably figure out what your argument is first. Are you questioning those who wanted him home and thought well enough of him (enough to pray for him and want to do a prisoner swap with him) as the OP did or are you arguing it was right to bring him home but the trade was too high?

Derp..Obama..Lie...Benghazi...Obamacare...Rice Derp, isn't a choice.

 

[Sonikku]

Funny they said the same thing about Patreus even after he gave up secrets to his mistress

Poor Chelsea Manning. If you're going to give up secrets, do it when you're a big wig. The government works with Patreus still.

 

[Jhhnn]

Save Bergdahl?? Just more of the same bad decisions in a long line of them from our idiot in chief. Wish that bum would just go away.

Did anyone really believe Bergdahl didn't leave of his own free will?

It's sad & shameful that Obama's political adversaries have politicized this, used Bergdahl as a whipping boy & a pawn for everything they hate about Obama.

It's important for the troops to understand that our govt won't just leave them in the hands of the enemy when it's politically expedient to do so even if they're a fuckup. In that, Bergdahl's conduct is immaterial.

I figure he's paid plenty already but that's not my call.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

It's sad & shameful that Obama's political adversaries have politicized this, used Bergdahl as a whipping boy & a pawn for everything they hate about Obama.

It's important for the troops to understand that our govt won't just leave them in the hands of the enemy when it's politically expedient to do so even if they're a fuckup. In that, Bergdahl's conduct is immaterial.

I figure he's paid plenty already but that's not my call.

WTF? IIRC, it was Obama who politicized this to justify the questionable release of 5 high level terrorists from Guantanamo.

 

[HomerJS]

Save Bergdahl?? Just more of the same bad decisions in a long line of them from our idiot in chief. Wish that bum would just go away.

Did anyone really believe Bergdahl didn't leave of his own free will?

Oh I don't know, there's that whole innocent until proven guilty thing.

 

[rudeguy]

It's sad & shameful that Obama's political adversaries have politicized this, used Bergdahl as a whipping boy & a pawn for everything they hate about Obama.

It's important for the troops to understand that our govt won't just leave them in the hands of the enemy when it's politically expedient to do so even if they're a fuckup. In that, Bergdahl's conduct is immaterial.

I figure he's paid plenty already but that's not my call.

Dude...come back to reality.

You're out there right now.

 

[unokitty]

Every President has a legacy.

For Obama, its negotiating with terrorists while refusing to negotiate with, or even notify, Congress.

And a Rose Garden Celebration for Bowe Bergdahl who abandoned his platoon and his post.

Now, Obama can cement his legacy by pardoning his Rose Garden Hero, who served with 'Honor and Distinction,' Bowe Bergdahl...

Uno
:biggrin:

 

[CitizenKain]

Because in both of those quotes they said we should violate international and US law while trading him for 5 terrorists.

Your shill is showing.

You calling someone else a shill. That is priceless.

Also, I thought you rightwingers were all about supporting the troops. I mean, you even by magnetic stickers and everything.

 

[boomerang]

Also, I thought you rightwingers were all about supporting the troops. I mean, you even by magnetic stickers and everything.

When he deserted and sought out the Taliban he became a defector. A crime that in a declared war would have resulted in his being put to death.

Bergdahl is not a victim. Get that through your head. He doesn't warrant your support. What he did, he did willingly. He will get his day in court and he will be convicted. Sit tight until then and organize candlelight vigils.

But if not for the ceremony in the Rose Garden, and the trade for five Taliban higher-ups, this whole thing could easily have flown right under the radar and Bergdahl could have potentially gotten off easy. Now, because of Obama it's high-profile and Bergdahl will spend the next 30 years in jail. The arrogance and ego of the Commander-In-Chief has sealed Bergdahl's fate. Politics affects the lives of everyone. Some more than others.

 

[schmuckley]

You calling someone else a shill. That is priceless.

Also, I thought you rightwingers were all about supporting the troops. I mean, you even by magnetic stickers and everything.

You are a shill.
Do you know how we all can tell who the shills are?
This is not hard,btw.
You see,normal people have differences of opinions when it comes to certain topics:Some may agree on some things and disagree on others.

You shill asshats post the same lock-step asinine bullshit every time.
..but by all means,stick around..It adds decorum.
:awe:

 

[Jhhnn]

When he deserted and sought out the Taliban he became a defector. A crime that in a declared war would have resulted in his being put to death.

Assumes that he sought out the Taliban on the basis of a third hand account of a supposed intercepted phone call. Now that's real evidence, huh?

Bergdahl is not a victim. Get that through your head. He doesn't warrant your support. What he did, he did willingly. He will get his day in court and he will be convicted. Sit tight until then and organize candlelight vigils.

Bergdahl appears to be just one unique fuckup, property of the US Army.

But if not for the ceremony in the Rose Garden, and the trade for five Taliban higher-ups, this whole thing could easily have flown right under the radar and Bergdahl could have potentially gotten off easy. Now, because of Obama it's high-profile and Bergdahl will spend the next 30 years in jail. The arrogance and ego of the Commander-In-Chief has sealed Bergdahl's fate. Politics affects the lives of everyone. Some more than others.

Being held prisoner for 5 years b the taliban is nobody's definition of "getting off easy".

Add the double reverse into sympathy for Bergdahl because of your projected 30 year sentence, of course, because Obama, right?

I figure that the Army set the Admin up for all the political flack simply by withholding information & that the Admin never saw it coming. The fact that the Repubs would stoop to using it the way they have is just an extension of the propaganda of 9/11 & their willingness to politicize everything from the original tragedy to the fate of a guy who unfortunately saw through the bullshit nature of the mission itself.

The arrogance & ego of the Commander in Chief? More like the arrogance & ego of the Neocons who started this whole mess, now Obama's detractors.

Hell, you can't even recognize the shameful nature of labeling political prisoners as terrorists. That's really who the Taliban 5 are, taken in the wake of the invasion, former functionaries in the Taliban govt. We had a lot of such prisoners in the wake of WW2, but back then we had the sense of decency & fair play to give some a fair trial & convict them of war crimes, release the rest. Not now- our own right wing thinks we should just hold them forever w/ charge. Anybody who thinks that's justice has shit fer brains.

 

[nickqt]

You are a shill.
Do you know how we all can tell who the shills are?
This is not hard,btw.
You see,normal people have differences of opinions when it comes to certain topics:Some may agree on some things and disagree on others.

You shill asshats post the same lock-step asinine bullshit every time.
..but by all means,stick around..It adds decorum.
:awe:

Pot meet kettle.

 

[rudder]

Assumes that he sought out the Taliban on the basis of a third hand account of a supposed intercepted phone call. Now that's real evidence, huh?

Just the fact that he deserted where he did should be enough evidence. He could have went AWOL in a number of safer areas. Because he deserted where he did... his fellow troops has to act on the assumption that he was kidnapped by the taliban.

Being held prisoner for 5 years b the taliban is nobody's definition of "getting off easy".

So you do not believe he deserted to specifically look for the taliban... but you believe all the details of his imprisonment. How do we know? For all we know he spent his days studying the koran with his taliban buddies.

Hell, you can't even recognize the shameful nature of labeling political prisoners as terrorists. That's really who the Taliban 5 are, taken in the wake of the invasion, former functionaries in the Taliban govt. We had a lot of such prisoners in the wake of WW2, but back then we had the sense of decency & fair play to give some a fair trial & convict them of war crimes, release the rest. Not now- our own right wing thinks we should just hold them forever w/ charge. Anybody who thinks that's justice has shit fer brains.

Have you even looked at the dossier of some of these guys? Stop being such an obama apologist. Political prisoners are people jailed because of their political beliefs. These traded taliban were jailed because they were actively fighting against U.S. troops. Some were responsible for large massacres of civilians.

https://wikileaks.org/gitmo/pdf/af/us9af-000004dp.pdf
https://wikileaks.org/gitmo/pdf/af/us9af-000832dp.pdf

I suggest you look up the remaining 3 and do a little research before labeling them political prisoners.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Let us all hope in court truth and justice trumps hysterical public opinion.

 

[Jhhnn]

Just the fact that he deserted where he did should be enough evidence. He could have went AWOL in a number of safer areas. Because he deserted where he did... his fellow troops has to act on the assumption that he was kidnapped by the taliban.

Enough evidence for what? To prove that he sought the Taliban? Nice assumption on your part, serving only what you want to believe.

So you do not believe he deserted to specifically look for the taliban... but you believe all the details of his imprisonment. How do we know? For all we know he spent his days studying the koran with his taliban buddies.

He was obviously half starved when released. Beyond that, I make no assumptions. All I'm sure of is that it would have been a much bigger propaganda coup for the Taliban if they could have convinced him to fight for them, which clearly didn't happen.

Have you even looked at the dossier of some of these guys? Stop being such an obama apologist. Political prisoners are people jailed because of their political beliefs. These traded taliban were jailed because they were actively fighting against U.S. troops. Some were responsible for large massacres of civilians.

https://wikileaks.org/gitmo/pdf/af/us9af-000004dp.pdf
https://wikileaks.org/gitmo/pdf/af/us9af-000832dp.pdf

I suggest you look up the remaining 3 and do a little research before labeling them political prisoners.

Of course they fought against the US- when we invaded their country. Imagine that. They've just been transferred to a much cushier sort of confinement in Qatar.

 

[Angry Irishman]

It's sad & shameful that Obama's political adversaries have politicized this, used Bergdahl as a whipping boy & a pawn for everything they hate about Obama.

It's important for the troops to understand that our govt won't just leave them in the hands of the enemy when it's politically expedient to do so even if they're a fuckup. In that, Bergdahl's conduct is immaterial.

I figure he's paid plenty already but that's not my call.

WTF? Holy shit....batshit crazy.

 

[schmuckley]

WTF? Holy shit....batshit crazy.

How to spot a shill: They never admit they were wrong.
They just keep posting because they are paid per-post.

 

[Angry Irishman]

How to spot a shill: They never admit they were wrong.
They just keep posting because they are paid per-post.

Yea no one should consider the oath he took when he VOLUNTARILY enlisted in the Army. Fact is the Army shares some of the blame by not addressing his issues much earlier.

 

[werepossum]

Poor Chelsea Manning. If you're going to give up secrets, do it when you're a big wig. The government works with Patreus still.

Yes, clearly the only difference between Patreus giving relevant but classified information to his official biographer/fuckpuppet to puff up his image and Manning giving out every bit of classified information on which he could lay his manicured little hands to punish the Army is their respective ranks.

 

[brycejones]

Let us all hope in court truth and justice trumps hysterical public opinion.

F-that....

You want to take the fun out of it. You must be some kind of commie.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes, clearly the only difference between Patreus giving relevant but classified information to his official biographer/fuckpuppet to puff up his image and Manning giving out every bit of classified information on which he could lay his manicured little hands to punish the Army is their respective ranks.

It's sleazy to demean Paula Broadwell that way. OTOH, righties do love their slut-shaming, huh?

 

[pcgeek11]

So how many years have you served?

I'll play!


I guess ZERO.

I think most people pleading for a soft touch with Bergdahl haven't served in the Military and do not know the level of trust that is placed on each other in these situations.

When that trust is broken it cannot be restored. It is the ultimate betrayal and unforgivable. It doesn't matter if he deserted to visit the Taliban or visit the muppets or just to go have tea with the Queen of England. What matters is if he deserted or not and the misconduct before the enemy. I feel he is probably guilty as hell on both counts. The court will decide and I hope he loses all pay and allowances and gets about 30 years in prison.

For you civilians I overlook your opinion as you are ignorant of the trust required between military members.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I'll play!


I guess ZERO.

I think most people pleading for a soft touch with Bergdahl haven't served in the Military and do not know the level of trust that is placed on each other in these situations.

When that trust is broken it cannot be restored. It is the ultimate betrayal and unforgivable.

For you civilians I overlook your opinion as you are ignorant of the trust required between military members.

I find it interesting that people who wish to wait for a trial to determine what actually happened are dismissed as " people pleading for a soft touch with Bergdahl".

Edit: Actually, I don't find it interesting, I find it sad.