Washington Post: Bowe Bergdahl Faces Charges of Desertion

[pcgeek11]

I find it interesting that people who wish to wait for a trial to determine what actually happened are dismissed as " people pleading for a soft touch with Bergdahl".

Edit: Actually, I don't find it interesting, I find it sad.

Moron. That isn't what I said. I did edit my post while you were making yours...

The "soft touchs" are the ones that think he should get his 300K in pay / allowances and be set free even if he is convicted of desertion. " he has suffered enough " BS.

He should get a fair trial. However based on what I have heard I think he is guilty. That is My Opinion. He wasn't dragged off the base...

 

[werepossum]

I'll play!


I guess ZERO.

I think most people pleading for a soft touch with Bergdahl haven't served in the Military and do not know the level of trust that is placed on each other in these situations.

When that trust is broken it cannot be restored. It is the ultimate betrayal and unforgivable. It doesn't matter if he deserted to visit the Taliban or visit the muppets or just to go have tea with the Queen of England. What matters is if he deserted or not and the misconduct before the enemy. I feel he is probably guilty as hell on both counts. The court will decide and I hope he loses all pay and allowances and gets about 30 years in prison.

For you civilians I overlook your opinion as you are ignorant of the trust required between military members.

As a pure civvie I do understand the level of trust required in combat, I just don't feel it as you do. To me it's a non-emotional, non-visceral thing, a fact I know but one not within my experience, if that makes any sense. I can't really think of any similar reciprocal relationship since my coworkers are not required to "have my back". Nor is a failure on their part likely to threaten my life. (We do have one engineer who sleeps a good part of the day, but I really don't have to worry about anyone sneaking past him to cut my throat or plant a bomb on my way to the plotter. And if he wanders out of the building, I can look for him without risking my life.)

But acknowledging that I cannot have your intensity of feelings on the issue as I have no experience to make it personal, I'd like to point out that it's the usual America-hating far left declaring that Bergdahl has suffered enough and shouldn't be prosecuted. This is as much politics as compassion IMO. Those of us on the right are pretty much in favor of his prosecution as long as there exists sufficient evidence of guilt and if convicted, that his sentence is reasonable considering his actions. We just aren't convinced that everything pointing toward his guilt is necessarily accurate. (I've no reason to doubt it except for the history of such high profile cases, but it's extremely common for both sides to publicly state things that are never raised at trial or are even debunked at trial, which is why jurors are directed to ignore everything they think they know from the media.) Those of us on the right not enthusiastic about him receiving life if convicted, well, I have no problem with you attributing that to our not having served. That's no doubt accurate. A betrayal is always felt more strongly by those who gave trust.

 

[nickqt]

As a pure civvie I do understand the level of trust required in combat, I just don't feel it as you do. To me it's a non-emotional, non-visceral thing, a fact I know but one not within my experience, if that makes any sense. I can't really think of any similar reciprocal relationship since my coworkers are not required to "have my back". Nor is a failure on their part likely to threaten my life. (We do have one engineer who sleeps a good part of the day, but I really don't have to worry about anyone sneaking past him to cut my throat or plant a bomb on my way to the plotter. And if he wanders out of the building, I can look for him without risking my life.)

But acknowledging that I cannot have your intensity of feelings on the issue as I have no experience to make it personal, I'd like to point out that it's the usual America-hating far left declaring that Bergdahl has suffered enough and shouldn't be prosecuted. This is as much politics as compassion IMO. Those of us on the right are pretty much in favor of his prosecution as long as there exists sufficient evidence of guilt and if convicted, that his sentence is reasonable considering his actions. We just aren't convinced that everything pointing toward his guilt is necessarily accurate. (I've no reason to doubt it except for the history of such high profile cases, but it's extremely common for both sides to publicly state things that are never raised at trial or are even debunked at trial, which is why jurors are directed to ignore everything they think they know from the media.) Those of us on the right not enthusiastic about him receiving life if convicted, well, I have no problem with you attributing that to our not having served. That's no doubt accurate. A betrayal is always felt more strongly by those who gave trust.

America-hating far left.

Take a shot.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'd like to point out that it's the usual America-hating far left declaring that Bergdahl has suffered enough and shouldn't be prosecuted.

So, uhh, not hatin' on Bergdahl is hatin' on America?

Is that how we should define ourselves & our loyalty to our country? Or is that just more of the same rhetoric of hatred & divisiveness we've come to expect from the right wing?

And that coming from the Party who served as the most obstructionist Senate minority in history? The party whose idealogy & leadership mired us in 2 propaganda induced wars of futility & crashed the economy, induced the worst crisis since 1929? Who doubled the national debt in the process? The party who then held extended UI hostage to extended tax cuts for the rich as unemployment reached for new heights & permanence? The party who denies the poorest working Americans medicaid extension & care in states they control? Who subverts our diplomacy? Who panders shamelessly to fear and bigotry?

You have the gall to question the loyalty of your political opposition in the face of that?

 

[SandEagle]

 

[brycejones]

I'd like to point out that it's the usual America-hating far left

That's lame even for you.

 

[rudeguy]

Assumes that he sought out the Taliban on the basis of a third hand account of a supposed intercepted phone call. Now that's real evidence, huh?



Bergdahl appears to be just one unique fuckup, property of the US Army.



Being held prisoner for 5 years b the taliban is nobody's definition of "getting off easy".

Add the double reverse into sympathy for Bergdahl because of your projected 30 year sentence, of course, because Obama, right?

I figure that the Army set the Admin up for all the political flack simply by withholding information & that the Admin never saw it coming. The fact that the Repubs would stoop to using it the way they have is just an extension of the propaganda of 9/11 & their willingness to politicize everything from the original tragedy to the fate of a guy who unfortunately saw through the bullshit nature of the mission itself.

The arrogance & ego of the Commander in Chief? More like the arrogance & ego of the Neocons who started this whole mess, now Obama's detractors.

Hell, you can't even recognize the shameful nature of labeling political prisoners as terrorists. That's really who the Taliban 5 are, taken in the wake of the invasion, former functionaries in the Taliban govt. We had a lot of such prisoners in the wake of WW2, but back then we had the sense of decency & fair play to give some a fair trial & convict them of war crimes, release the rest. Not now- our own right wing thinks we should just hold them forever w/ charge. Anybody who thinks that's justice has shit fer brains.

mom, dad
The future is too good to waste on lies. And life is way too short to care for the damnation of others, as well as to spend it helping fools with their ideas that are wrong. I have seen their ideas and I am ashamed to even be american. The horror of the self-righteous arrogance that they thrive in. It is all revolting. [...] [Three good sergeants had been forced to move to another company] [...] and one of the biggest shit bags is being put in charge of the team. [...] [My battalion commander was] a conceited old fool. [...] In the US army you are cut down for being honest... but if you are a conceited brown nosing shit bag you will be allowed to do what ever you want, and you will be handed your higher rank... The system is wrong. I am ashamed to be an american. And the title of US soldier is just the lie of fools. ... The US army is the biggest joke the world has to laugh at. It is the army of liars, backstabbers, fools, and bullies. The few good SGTs are getting out as soon as they can, [...] I am sorry for everything here. These people need help, yet what they get is the most conceited country in the world telling them that they are nothing and that they are stupid, that they have no idea how to live... We don't even care when we hear each other talk about running their children down in the dirt streets with our armored trucks... We make fun of them in front of their faces, and laugh at them for not understanding we are insulting them [...] I am sorry for everything. The horror that is america is disgusting. There are a few more boxes coming to you guys. Feel free to open them, and use them.

he is a traitor and should be shot

 

[maluckey]

he is a traitor and should be shot

Being a fairly nice guy (as former soldiers go).......I think that the trial will decide his fate appropriately.

Me? I'd be happy to give him credit for time served with Taliban; then add five years hard labor, mental counseling, reduction in rank to E-1 and a dishonorable discharge upon completion of confinement.

 

[nickqt]

he is a traitor and should be shot

Whatever some random guy says about you on a forum post, I agree and hope it happens.

#RealAmerican

 

[werepossum]

That's lame even for you.

Sorry, are we still pretending it's merely coincidence that the usual suspects are also the Bergdahl supporters?

 

[Jhhnn]

Sorry, are we still pretending it's merely coincidence that the usual suspects are also the Bergdahl supporters?

Supporters of Bergdahl in what way? Not of the idea that he was right to walk away from his base, obviously. I'm happy to let the Army deal with that & I figure they'll take 5 years of captivity as one of their considerations.

I do think that the White House made some mistakes in dealing with it, but that should not affect Bergdahl directly if fair consideration is made.

Using him as a pawn in the greater hate-um Obama effort is quite callous & utterly shameful. He's not an abstract concept or a thing but rather an American & a soldier, deserving of better treatment than that regardless of his own mistakes.

 

[werepossum]

Supporters of Bergdahl in what way? Not of the idea that he was right to walk away from his base, obviously. I'm happy to let the Army deal with that & I figure they'll take 5 years of captivity as one of their considerations.

I do think that the White House made some mistakes in dealing with it, but that should not affect Bergdahl directly if fair consideration is made.

Using him as a pawn in the greater hate-um Obama effort is quite callous & utterly shameful. He's not an abstract concept or a thing but rather an American & a soldier, deserving of better treatment than that regardless of his own mistakes.

Supporters of Bergdahl in the way of suggesting that he's suffered enough or that it's the Army's fault for recruiting him. Although admittedly most of the far left don't go the extra mile and claim that the Army also intentionally tricked Obama by withholding information.

Oddly, except for your efforts to make Obama the true victim you and I aren't that far off on this issue. I don't consider Bergdahl to be a victim as he clearly intentionally deserted, and probably with intent to join the enemy, but I do agree he should get a fair trial unrelated to Obama's actions (which I support anyway, right up to the brain-dead part where he planned to make political points using Bergdahl) and I do not think that we should necessarily accept everything we read about his desertion as the Gospel. However, the military members here aren't calling for him to be denied a fair trial, merely expressing their opinions on his guilt and their opinions on the harsh penalties appropriate for such actions.

 

[Jhhnn]

and probably with intent to join the enemy

Right back to unsubstantiated slurs in an attempt to demonize Bergdahl, raise ire against him & therefore Obama in the process.

You know what you're doing. It's exactly what I pointed out in post #61, just doubled down. It's a shameless exploitation of Bergdahl for political ends.

 

[werepossum]

Right back to unsubstantiated slurs in an attempt to demonize Bergdahl, raise ire against him & therefore Obama in the process.

You know what you're doing. It's exactly what I pointed out in post #61, just doubled down. It's a shameless exploitation of Bergdahl for political ends.

Dude, you are a true moron's moron. Bergdahl's actions have zero to do with Obama; Bergdahl's conviction (if it occurs) will have zero reflection on Obama. Everyone knows this, but with your head lodged so far up the Messiah's keister you perceive everything not uttered from a similar location to be an attack. What I said was neither an unsubstantiated slur, nor an attempt to demonize Bergdahl, nor an attempt to "raise ire against him & therefore Obama". Grow up. Even better, pull out and grab some fresh air occasionally.

 

[Jhhnn]

Dude, you are a true moron's moron. Bergdahl's actions have zero to do with Obama; Bergdahl's conviction (if it occurs) will have zero reflection on Obama. Everyone knows this, but with your head lodged so far up the Messiah's keister you perceive everything not uttered from a similar location to be an attack. What I said was neither an unsubstantiated slur, nor an attempt to demonize Bergdahl, nor an attempt to "raise ire against him & therefore Obama". Grow up. Even better, pull out and grab some fresh air occasionally.

Well, then, I'm sure you can substantiate this-

and probably with intent to join the enemy

Have at it. I know that Bergdahl's former CO claimed, months after Bergdahl's release, that an interpreter told him that there was a reference to Bergdahl looking for the Taliban in a village in an intercepted electronic conversation. It's pure hearsay. There's no "probably" about it.

And of course it reflects on Obama. You wouldn't pursue it so doggedly if it didn't, and the OP never would have framed it in such terms if that were not the objective.

 

[werepossum]

Well, then, I'm sure you can substantiate this-



Have at it. I know that Bergdahl's former CO claimed, months after Bergdahl's release, that an interpreter told him that there was a reference to Bergdahl looking for the Taliban in a village in an intercepted electronic conversation. It's pure hearsay. There's no "probably" about it.

And of course it reflects on Obama. You wouldn't pursue it so doggedly if it didn't, and the OP never would have framed it in such terms if that were not the objective.

So, your theory is that Bergdahl walked off the base to join the Boy Scouts? The Red Crescent? The Michael Jackson Fan Club, Jalalabad Chapter? Which of those stories would be consistent with Bergdahl's own words? To borrow from Rudeguy's post (which you ignored):

mom, dad
The future is too good to waste on lies. And life is way too short to care for the damnation of others, as well as to spend it helping fools with their ideas that are wrong. I have seen their ideas and I am ashamed to even be american. The horror of the self-righteous arrogance that they thrive in. It is all revolting. [...] [Three good sergeants had been forced to move to another company] [...] and one of the biggest shit bags is being put in charge of the team. [...] [My battalion commander was] a conceited old fool. [...] In the US army you are cut down for being honest... but if you are a conceited brown nosing shit bag you will be allowed to do what ever you want, and you will be handed your higher rank... The system is wrong. I am ashamed to be an american. And the title of US soldier is just the lie of fools. ... The US army is the biggest joke the world has to laugh at. It is the army of liars, backstabbers, fools, and bullies. The few good SGTs are getting out as soon as they can, [...] I am sorry for everything here. These people need help, yet what they get is the most conceited country in the world telling them that they are nothing and that they are stupid, that they have no idea how to live... We don't even care when we hear each other talk about running their children down in the dirt streets with our armored trucks... We make fun of them in front of their faces, and laugh at them for not understanding we are insulting them [...] I am sorry for everything. The horror that is america is disgusting. There are a few more boxes coming to you guys. Feel free to open them, and use them.​

Only a moron's moron would ignore such words or pretend they have no relevance to the likelihood that Bergdahl deserted TO the Taliban.

As far as the OP, that does not address Bergdahl's actions for which he will be tried as reflecting on Obama at all. It reflects the Obama administration's actions concerning Bergdahl, the political maneuvering that team Obama was doing, using Bergdahl to shore up Obama's approval. That is all after the fact blundering; it has nothing to do with Bergdahl's guilt, or level of guilt. Those here who have served of course believe that Bergdahl is guilty of deserting, probably intentionally to the Taliban, and should have been left there. After all, if you believe that America is evil and disgusting, then the Taliban are by definition the good guys. Those here like me who never served may believe that Bergdahl is guilty of deserting, probably intentionally to the Taliban, and yet still believe that Obama did the right thing by bringing him home to be tried fairly and, if found guilty, possibly imprisoned here. But at least to people like me, without the visceral reaction that service brings, whether or not Bergdahl is guilty, and if so, of what charges, is not any reflection on Obama. It's not even any reflection on Obama's decision to trade five terrorist leaders for him. As far as the government is concerned, Bergdahl must be considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, or at least until it becomes clear beyond a shadow of a doubt (e.g. Bergdahl making pro-Taliban propaganda videos) that he intentionally deserted. Up until that point, I expect Obama to attempt to bring him home like any other serviceman or -woman, even those judged guilty in the court of public opinion. Even Obama's campaign to benefit politically from freeing Bergdahl isn't evil to my mind, just typical political maneuvering leavened with an unusually big side of stupid. It is this stupidity that Unokitty addresses. Had Obama merely left it at "no American serviceman deserves to be left in the Taliban's hands, regardless of his actions", then Unokitty probably wouldn't have even made this thread. By attempting to make this man a hero who served "with honor and distinction", Obama smeared every serviceman and -woman who DID serve with honor and distinction, which is the vast majority of them.

Sheesh, this really isn't that difficult. There's really no down side for Obama here as long as he stays out of it. If Bergdahl is convicted, well, everyone with at least two functioning brain cells already believes he's probably guilty, so nothing changes. Obama's already taken the political hit for trading for him, and a conviction shouldn't affect anyone's thinking. If Bergdahl is acquitted, then Obama at the very least looks no worse and to most people looks better. Only if Obama is seen meddling in the process will he take another hit to his approval.

 

[Jhhnn]

So, your theory is that Bergdahl walked off the base to join the Boy Scouts? The Red Crescent? The Michael Jackson Fan Club, Jalalabad Chapter? Which of those stories would be consistent with Bergdahl's own words? To borrow from Rudeguy's post (which you ignored):

mom, dad
The future is too good to waste on lies. And life is way too short to care for the damnation of others, as well as to spend it helping fools with their ideas that are wrong. I have seen their ideas and I am ashamed to even be american. The horror of the self-righteous arrogance that they thrive in. It is all revolting. [...] [Three good sergeants had been forced to move to another company] [...] and one of the biggest shit bags is being put in charge of the team. [...] [My battalion commander was] a conceited old fool. [...] In the US army you are cut down for being honest... but if you are a conceited brown nosing shit bag you will be allowed to do what ever you want, and you will be handed your higher rank... The system is wrong. I am ashamed to be an american. And the title of US soldier is just the lie of fools. ... The US army is the biggest joke the world has to laugh at. It is the army of liars, backstabbers, fools, and bullies. The few good SGTs are getting out as soon as they can, [...] I am sorry for everything here. These people need help, yet what they get is the most conceited country in the world telling them that they are nothing and that they are stupid, that they have no idea how to live... We don't even care when we hear each other talk about running their children down in the dirt streets with our armored trucks... We make fun of them in front of their faces, and laugh at them for not understanding we are insulting them [...] I am sorry for everything. The horror that is america is disgusting. There are a few more boxes coming to you guys. Feel free to open them, and use them.​

Only a moron's moron would ignore such words or pretend they have no relevance to the likelihood that Bergdahl deserted TO the Taliban.

As far as the OP, that does not address Bergdahl's actions for which he will be tried as reflecting on Obama at all. It reflects the Obama administration's actions concerning Bergdahl, the political maneuvering that team Obama was doing, using Bergdahl to shore up Obama's approval. That is all after the fact blundering; it has nothing to do with Bergdahl's guilt, or level of guilt. Those here who have served of course believe that Bergdahl is guilty of deserting, probably intentionally to the Taliban, and should have been left there. After all, if you believe that America is evil and disgusting, then the Taliban are by definition the good guys. Those here like me who never served may believe that Bergdahl is guilty of deserting, probably intentionally to the Taliban, and yet still believe that Obama did the right thing by bringing him home to be tried fairly and, if found guilty, possibly imprisoned here. But at least to people like me, without the visceral reaction that service brings, whether or not Bergdahl is guilty, and if so, of what charges, is not any reflection on Obama. It's not even any reflection on Obama's decision to trade five terrorist leaders for him. As far as the government is concerned, Bergdahl must be considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, or at least until it becomes clear beyond a shadow of a doubt (e.g. Bergdahl making pro-Taliban propaganda videos) that he intentionally deserted. Up until that point, I expect Obama to attempt to bring him home like any other serviceman or -woman, even those judged guilty in the court of public opinion. Even Obama's campaign to benefit politically from freeing Bergdahl isn't evil to my mind, just typical political maneuvering leavened with an unusually big side of stupid. It is this stupidity that Unokitty addresses. Had Obama merely left it at "no American serviceman deserves to be left in the Taliban's hands, regardless of his actions", then Unokitty probably wouldn't have even made this thread. By attempting to make this man a hero who served "with honor and distinction", Obama smeared every serviceman and -woman who DID serve with honor and distinction, which is the vast majority of them.

Sheesh, this really isn't that difficult. There's really no down side for Obama here as long as he stays out of it. If Bergdahl is convicted, well, everyone with at least two functioning brain cells already believes he's probably guilty, so nothing changes. Obama's already taken the political hit for trading for him, and a conviction shouldn't affect anyone's thinking. If Bergdahl is acquitted, then Obama at the very least looks no worse and to most people looks better. Only if Obama is seen meddling in the process will he take another hit to his approval.

And now the talking points break down into an obfuscational wall of text complete with using Bergdahl as a pawn to attack Obama, again, just from a different angle. That's the whole point- attack Obama. The fact that you keep doing it speaks for itself.

There's this bit of reaching for ontology, as well-

After all, if you believe that America is evil and disgusting, then the Taliban are by definition the good guys.

Only in Glenbeckistan does the conclusion necessarily follow from what is a false premise in the first place. "America" & the conduct of Bergdahl's unit in Afghanistan are not synonymous.

 

[rudder]

So, your theory is that Bergdahl walked off the base to join the Boy Scouts? The Red Crescent? The Michael Jackson Fan Club, Jalalabad Chapter? Which of those stories would be consistent with Bergdahl's own words?

Only a moron's moron would ignore such words or pretend they have no relevance to the likelihood that Bergdahl deserted TO the Taliban.

The obama fanbois forget that about the white house totally politicizing bergdahls release.... but the administration forgot to totally vet out the story before going on camera and praising bergdahl for serving with honor and distinction.

At any rate.... bergdahl says he wasn't looking for the taliban... he was simply trying to walk to the nearest Army base to report wrong doing in his unit.

http://antiwar.com/blog/2015/03/27/army-report-confirms-bergdahl-never-intended-to-desert/

Did he come up with story after he realized he would lose the $300,000 back pay?

 

[Jhhnn]

The obama fanbois forget that about the white house totally politicizing bergdahls release.... but the administration forgot to totally vet out the story before going on camera and praising bergdahl for serving with honor and distinction.

So the White House is supposed to vet information they got from the Army? WTF universe is this, anyway?

At any rate.... bergdahl says he wasn't looking for the taliban... he was simply trying to walk to the nearest Army base to report wrong doing in his unit.

http://antiwar.com/blog/2015/03/27/army-report-confirms-bergdahl-never-intended-to-desert/

Did he come up with story after he realized he would lose the $300,000 back pay?

Is there any evidence to the contrary?

Does anybody really think that the frothed up ravers in the lynch mob will accept any exculpatory information wrt Bergdahl?

 

[JSt0rm]

What I find weird about this whole thing are the pro-military neocon chicken hawks thinking we should of left him in captivity until he ended up in a beheading video.

I never served in the military and I would like to hear from someone who has/does serve in a wartime theater and believes he should of been left as a pow. I also want to know the reasons they believe this so strongly.

For everyone who says he should of been left there and has NEVER served I dont think your opinion on the matter should have any weight.

Rudeguy -Have you served? Saying this guy should be shot is a pretty extreme stance to take before any trial.

 

[werepossum]

And now the talking points break down into an obfuscational wall of text complete with using Bergdahl as a pawn to attack Obama, again, just from a different angle. That's the whole point- attack Obama. The fact that you keep doing it speaks for itself.

There's this bit of reaching for ontology, as well-



Only in Glenbeckistan does the conclusion necessarily follow from what is a false premise in the first place. "America" & the conduct of Bergdahl's unit in Afghanistan are not synonymous.

What part of "I have seen their ideas and I am ashamed to even be american" is beyond your grasp?

What part of "I am ashamed to be an american" is confusing you?

What part of "The horror that is america is disgusting" do you imagine means ONLY the US Army?

BTW I have no idea what ontology means inside of Obama's anus, but here in the outside ontology is the philosophical study of reality. Not exactly applicable in the sense you seem to use it.

The obama fanbois forget that about the white house totally politicizing bergdahls release.... but the administration forgot to totally vet out the story before going on camera and praising bergdahl for serving with honor and distinction.

At any rate.... bergdahl says he wasn't looking for the taliban... he was simply trying to walk to the nearest Army base to report wrong doing in his unit.

http://antiwar.com/blog/2015/03/27/army-report-confirms-bergdahl-never-intended-to-desert/

Did he come up with story after he realized he would lose the $300,000 back pay?

Yep - massive miscalculation, massive backfire. I still support Obama bringing him back though. Dude is undoubtedly an idiot and probably a traitor, but he's OUR traitorous idiot. And if one is stupid enough to imagine that the Taliban are the good guys and America are the bad guys, the concept of disarming and attempting to walk to the next Army base to whine about being mistreated is just stupid enough to be true.

 

[ivwshane]

You don't understand the difference between hating ones country and hating what ones country is becoming or has become?

Surely you aren't this regarded? You've been pretty level headed until you started equating bergdahls comments with hating America and wanting to join our enemies.

If I'm ashamed to be an American because of the racial injustice that still plagues this country, does that mean I hate America? Does that mean I want to join al queda?

What if I'm ashamed to be an American because the country that used to stand for liberty and freedom now spies on it's citizens and pays governments bills off the back of it's citizens in a never ending cycle? Does that mean I hate America? Am I now implying that I want to join a terrorist organization?

If I say I'm ashamed to be an American because of the amount of stupidity out citizens not only consume but also the level of stupidity they express and the amount of stupidity they elect to office. Does that mean I hate America? Should the NSA/CIA be screening my communications?

What's scary is that in your mind, the answer appears to be yes, yes I hate America. How very authoritarian of you.

What part of "I have seen their ideas and I am ashamed to even be american" is beyond your grasp?

What part of "I am ashamed to be an american" is confusing you?

What part of "The horror that is america is disgusting" do you imagine means ONLY the US Army?

BTW I have no idea what ontology means inside of Obama's anus, but here in the outside ontology is the philosophical study of reality. Not exactly applicable in the sense you seem to use it.


Yep - massive miscalculation, massive backfire. I still support Obama bringing him back though. Dude is undoubtedly an idiot and probably a traitor, but he's OUR traitorous idiot. And if one is stupid enough to imagine that the Taliban are the good guys and America are the bad guys, the concept of disarming and attempting to walk to the next Army base to whine about being mistreated is just stupid enough to be true.

 

[JSt0rm]

You don't understand the difference between hating ones country and hating what ones country is becoming or has become?

Surely you aren't this regarded? You've been pretty level headed until you started equating bergdahls comments with hating America and wanting to join our enemies.

If I'm ashamed to be an American because of the racial injustice that still plagues this country, does that mean I hate America? Does that mean I want to join al queda?

What if I'm ashamed to be an American because the country that used to stand for liberty and freedom now spies on it's citizens and pays governments bills off the back of it's citizens in a never ending cycle? Does that mean I hate America? Am I now implying that I want to join a terrorist organization?

If I say I'm ashamed to be an American because of the amount of stupidity out citizens not only consume but also the level of stupidity they express and the amount of stupidity they elect to office. Does that mean I hate America? Should the NSA/CIA be screening my communications?

What's scary is that in your mind, the answer appears to be yes, yes I hate America. How very authoritarian of you.

You are either with them or against them.

 

[Jhhnn]

You don't understand the difference between hating ones country and hating what ones country is becoming or has become?

Surely you aren't this regarded? You've been pretty level headed until you started equating bergdahls comments with hating America and wanting to join our enemies.

If I'm ashamed to be an American because of the racial injustice that still plagues this country, does that mean I hate America? Does that mean I want to join al queda?

What if I'm ashamed to be an American because the country that used to stand for liberty and freedom now spies on it's citizens and pays governments bills off the back of it's citizens in a never ending cycle? Does that mean I hate America? Am I now implying that I want to join a terrorist organization?

If I say I'm ashamed to be an American because of the amount of stupidity out citizens not only consume but also the level of stupidity they express and the amount of stupidity they elect to office. Does that mean I hate America? Should the NSA/CIA be screening my communications?

What's scary is that in your mind, the answer appears to be yes, yes I hate America. How very authoritarian of you.

Well, Hell yeh, you're obviously "the usual America-hating far left".

You're not a real Merricuhn until you're hatin' on Obama. All patriots hate Obama, right?

 

[rudeguy]

What I find weird about this whole thing are the pro-military neocon chicken hawks thinking we should of left him in captivity until he ended up in a beheading video.

I never served in the military and I would like to hear from someone who has/does serve in a wartime theater and believes he should of been left as a pow. I also want to know the reasons they believe this so strongly.

For everyone who says he should of been left there and has NEVER served I dont think your opinion on the matter should have any weight.

Rudeguy -Have you served? Saying this guy should be shot is a pretty extreme stance to take before any trial.

Nope, never served.

Read his emails. Read the wiki page on him. Read the facts that are already known. Read how people died trying to save his worthless ass.