was this shooting justified?

[Howard]

They're all stupid and the homeowner should go to jail.

 

[xj0hnx]

they deserve to be shot
they didn't deserve to be executed

This.

There was no reason to stick a gun under the chin of someone that is already incapacitated and execute them.

 

[PrinceofWands]

IF they actually broke in and were robbing his home, then the shooting was justified (though not covering it up). Whole story sounds fishy though.

 

[Corporate Thug]

as described, it was clearly beyond self defense.

 

[Corporate Thug]

I have no sympathy whatsoever for the two youts.

breaking into someone's house is a crime. They weren't there to throw a surprise birthday party. People break-in for a reason: theft, vandalism, rape, murder, squatting, etc... The owner has no idea why they are there, and it doesn't matter anyway. They have no business being there. They could be armed with knives or guns. The owner doesn't know and why should he take the chance?

And what is the reasonable number of shots? Wing them and then watch them shoot the owner? Shoot them until the threat is gone. If that means multiple times, then so be it.

as described, the thread was clearly neutralized when he decided he would take additional shots.

Stop this namby-pamby feeling sorry for criminals. How about feeling sorry for the victims of crimes instead?

Proportional force is not so much namby-pamby feelings as it is the law.

 

[ManBearPig]

Rule #2: Use a quality home defense ammunition. You want the projectile to expand, tumble, or fragment; something that's devastating to soft tissue. I'm betting he was using FMJ in his Mini-14. And using a .22LR revolver is inhumane and inexcusable in a home defense situation.

What if it was his only gun? Also, if you mean .22 doesn't penetrate all the way through, isn't that kind of what you want in a home defense situation?

 

[Rifter]

Shooting was justifed for sure, people were breaking into his house and had been suspected in previous robberies, open and closed case as far as the initial shootings went.

But i think he did cross the line with the followup shots.

However if he had killed them with the first shots they would be dead anyways and the initial shots were justified so i really dont know what to think about this one.

IMO he is in the right overall and they should not have broken into his house, bottom line is dont break into people houses if you dont want to get shot, its pretty damn simple really, the kids knew the risks and took them anyways so the consequences for their actions are there own, no one forced them to break into someone elses private property.

 

[MaxPayne63]

I like how one of those degenerates was described as a "role model." Yeah, breaking in to a house on thanksgiving to score drugs is such a great example.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Armed robbers should be executed.

Far as I know these kids were unarmed.

Except if someone gets into my apartment by breaking the door down, the question of "is he armed?" isn't on my mind. You can kill someone with bare hands. If you break in, and I have time, I warn you off. If that doesn't work, I shoot you.

I love how the story highlights they were "popular" - this translates to "f-ing morons" in my book. They deserved to get shot. And if getting shot meant dying (which in defense, it can mean that), they deserved to die as well. They however did no deserve to be executed.

 

[Northern Lawn]

I don't think you should be required to fire warning shots for burglars. But this story is very suspect.

 

[RampantAndroid]

I don't think you should be required to fire warning shots for burglars. But this story is very suspect.

You're not. Firing a warning shot is reckless, bullets go through walls.

 

[jpeyton]

What if it was his only gun? Also, if you mean .22 doesn't penetrate all the way through, isn't that kind of what you want in a home defense situation?

Ultimately whatever defensive weapon you have on hand is better than nothing, but there are a dozen different options better than .22LR. It lacks in every major category for a defensive round; penetration, expansion, wound channel size/shape/depth.

When he shot the girl multiple times with his .22LR revolver in the chest, I'm betting all it did was punch some small holes through her lung tissue, causing her to drown in her own blood. That's why she was gasping for air minutes later, and also why he put another round in her skull to put her down. .22LR is inhumane, and clearly inadequate for the job at hand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Ru7v-LEPg

A good center mass shot using his Mini-14 paired with a good defensive load would have put both intruders down right away, with softball sized exit wounds through their back.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Ultimately whatever defensive weapon you have on hand is better than nothing, but there are a dozen different options better than .22LR. It lacks in every major category for a defensive round; penetration, expansion, wound channel size/shape/depth.

When he shot the girl multiple times with his .22LR revolver in the chest, I'm betting all it did was punch some small holes through her lung tissue, causing her to drown in her own blood. That's why she was gasping for air minutes later, and also why he put another round in her skull to put her down. .22LR is inhumane, and clearly inadequate for the job at hand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Ru7v-LEPg

A good center mass shot using his Mini-14 paired with a good defensive load would have put both intruders down right away, with softball sized exit wounds through their back.

This. .22LR should not be used in defense unless it's all you have...even .380 is a better option.

 

[Anonemous]

Story sounds kinda suspicious...
Step 1) Lure kids into house with booze/drugs.
Step 2) ...
Step 3) Shoot them up for profit?

 

[NoStateofMind]

Story sounds kinda suspicious...
Step 1) Lure kids into house with booze/drugs.
Step 2) ...
Step 3) Shoot them up for profit?

This is probably closer tot he truth here. I'm not so sure that creepy looking man didn't lure them down to his dungeon of death and just claim they broke in. I don't know what his motives would be, could be just crazy, but something surely is fishy.

 

[Northern Lawn]

I googled the story and saw a news video where they were interviewing the kids school mates. They said they were not surprised HE would be involved in a burglary since he does it all the time and is constantly getting into trouble and the two of them had tried to break into the home before.

Sounds like bad kid got shot.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/minnesota-...d-shots-needed/story?id=17813093#.ULRsSofoRzg

 

[jpeyton]

I googled the story and saw a news video where they were interviewing the kids school mates. They said they were not surprised HE would be involved in a burglary since he does it all the time and is constantly getting into trouble and the two of them had tried to break into the home before.

Sounds like bad kid got shot.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/minnesota-...d-shots-needed/story?id=17813093#.ULRsSofoRzg

YOLO

 

[BUTCH1]

This is probably closer tot he truth here. I'm not so sure that creepy looking man didn't lure them down to his dungeon of death and just claim they broke in. I don't know what his motives would be, could be just crazy, but something surely is fishy.

From the second link, "Schaeffel's sister, Crystal Schaeffel, told the Star Tribune that Kifer had stolen prescription drugs from her home before. Little Falls police records show Crystal Schaeffel reported a theft Aug. 28, but the department said the report was not public because that investigation was continuing and because it named juveniles."

Seems the kids thought he might (being old) have some painkillers laying around and he might not be home at Thanksgiving day, they made as it turned out a huge mistake, once they were on the ground, shot, the threat has been removed, your not allowed to execute someone although for myself, I could give a fuck, don't break into peoples homes and you won't have to deal with lunatics, you gambled and lost everything..

 

[Printer Bandit]

shooter should have been considerate enough to give them open casket funerals..

 

[PingviN]

Breaking into someone's home justifies getting shot. Stay out of peoples' home and you wont get shot for breaking and entry.

 

[sandorski]

No.

 

[Harrod]

Justified yes, executing no.

However, I can imagine that this guy was probably tired of dealing with this crap. I remember as a kid coming home one day to find out someone had broke in and stole some stuff at my parents house. The next year was pretty weird feeling in the house wondering who had broke in and stolen stuff, and if they would ever come back.

I'm sure that after the first couple of times this happened he probably had it set in his mind exactly what he would do if he ever caught the people breaking into his home.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

If the daily mail is complaining about a shooting I must assume that it is justified
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI

 

[Jodell88]

He's going to jail for some time.

 

[Baked]

Sounds like the crazy ass old guy took advantage of the legality and murdered those 2 kids in cold blood.

But what I really think happened was the kids knocking on his door, he invited them both in and shot them dead and up the story. What a sick sick animal. He should be hanged.